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Spurs' MOTM?

  • Friedel

    Votes: 4 3.4%
  • Naughton

    Votes: 2 1.7%
  • Gallas

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Vertonghen

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Assou-Ekotto

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Lennon

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Parker

    Votes: 6 5.1%
  • Dembele

    Votes: 49 41.9%
  • Holtby

    Votes: 34 29.1%
  • Bale

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Adebayor

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Dawson

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Dempsey

    Votes: 4 3.4%
  • Sigurdsson

    Votes: 13 11.1%

  • Total voters
    117

BringBack_leGin

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Friedel: Not sure if he should have done better with the headed goal or not. I'm going to go with 'should have done better' as he just seemed so slow to react to a very soft attempt.

Naughton: Unremarkable really, a couple of decent shots, no mistakes that I can remember defensively, but nothing that stands out as particularly good either. EDIT: I've just been reminded of the second goal. Sigh. More amateur defending.

Gallas: Please, no more. My heart can't take it. Taking himself off when he's meant to be a leader on the 88th minute while we're under pressure and have used all our subs? That was cowardly and I don't want this man associated with MY club any longer. Men don't do that, little girls do and while I wasn't involved in it, he deserved the boos he got from the East Stand as he trudged down the tunnel. He knows the subs have all been used, he knows we're struggling, and he's meant to be our most

Vertonghen: Dipped from recent good form in my opinion, looked a little slow once or twice and sold Dawson very short with a pass which could have led to us conceding.

Ekotto: His poor form continues. I'm not sure if he's lost motivation, if he's taking ages (like in the past) to rediscover his form post injury, or if he's carrying some weight (he does look a little chunky to me), but whatever it is, I really hope he snaps out of it as he's the only fullback we have that I have confidence in. Still shouldn't have come off, it affected our balance (thought not as much as the next sub admittedly).

Parker: Usual mix of doing the things he can do very well, doing the things he can't do very badly. He's the best we have at the moment so I guess we have to accept the bad with the good, but I really wish he'd keep it simple.

Dembele: Improved on recent performances, drove at the opposition a few times and played a few decent passes. Faded out of the game completely towards the end though and never dropped deep to get the ball from our defenders in the final half an hour.

Lennon: Not on the pitch long unfortunately, really hope his injury isn't bad but usually when he comes off like that he's out for ages. Was just getting into the game and linking with Bale well at that point too.

Bale: Quietish game for him, a couple of good moments but struggled to find his rhythm. Praying that his injury doesn't keep him out beyond this weekend as without him, while I think the team are capable of grinding out the results they need, the confidence to do so will disappear.

Holtby: I thought he played well, maybe his best game from his starts. Didn't waste a pass, saw a lot of the ball despite being stranded out of position (again), worked his socks off and took responsibility. Should have never come off, we were dreadful without him.

Adebayor: Until the whole team disintegrated I thought he played well. Took his goal well (was actually quite composed to lift it over the goalie) and linked up nicely too. He went south with the rest of them once Holtby went off.

Sigurdsson: Goal might have been going in anyway, it was a thunderous hit, but he showed good technique to set himself up for it nonetheless. Played pretty well I thought out on the left but was anonymous when moved to the right to accommodate Clint the Saviour once Holtby was taken off.

Dawson: Won his headers, attacked crosses, showed the leadership that had been lacking from our central defence until his introduction, but also played a suicidal pass or two.

Dempsey: I keep trying to find ways in my head to justify why we signed this guy. I can't. I really can't. Another insipid performance to add to the list.

AVB: Fucked up. Friedel, Gallas, Dempsey.
 

Spurs_Bear

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I largely agree with BC's analysis of the game itself, not so much his defence of Gallas, and definitely not with his comparison in Naughton/Walker.

Anyone who thought this was going to be an easy ride was in for a tough night, I didn't make it to the Lane last night but in many ways glad I didn't, atmosphere sounded pony on TV, apart from a bit of noise from the Swiss.

I really like Villas-Boas as a figurehead of our club, I don't think I've ever wanted one of our managers to succeed more than I do with him, but there are still some things that are doing my head in. His selection of Gallas as a one off player in Europe is bordering on lunacy. For me, Gallas has done a great job for us over the last couple of seasons, he's captained us well, he's played some great games against some of the top sides, and if he was fit and able to play 30 games a season with minimal rest I would have him as 1st/2nd name on the teamsheet. However, Ledley King he is not, he cannot step into a game after not playing regularly for long periods without looking like (and largely playing like...) a liability. Where AVB comes into this is not only with the selection, but the high line, and Friedel behind him. It just doesn't work as a one off. Caulker, or even Dawson who is it seems our first choice in the League, should be playing every game he is fit. For what it's worth, I wish Gallas was fit for every game, as I'd still pick him ahead of Dawson on a regular basis.

Next is Friedel, I am eternally grateful to him for saving us from the calamity that was Gomes, but he has done what many people were fearful of, and gone downhill suddenly rather than gradually, like David James did. As somebody already mentioned, his kicking is embarrassing, he can barely reach the half way line, he now looks like an old man in goal. If Lloris is fit enough to make the bench, then he must play, he is as important to us in my opinion as Bale is.

Ratings:

Friedel: 6 - Should have done better with the second goal, but did some better things in the second half, kicking aside.

Naughton: 4 - Is even worse at right back than he is at left back. Got skanked twice (first was a good bit of skill but...), had one decent and one very good attempt. Is so poor on the ball though as has the dynamism of a Tortoise.

Gallas: 4 - Very poor game. Gave away needless fouls, was behind the pace of the game right from the first whistle.

Vertonghen: 5 - Poorest game for a while, touch was off and played a load of hospital balls.

Assou-Ekotto: 5 - We got skanked down our left as well, Benni didn't have a good game.

Lennon: N/A

Parker: 6 - Damn toe. Up and down the pitch as usual.

Dembele: 6 - Story of recent times, was decent when he got the ball, it wasn't enough.

Sigurdsson: 6 - Actually thought he was very poor (ball to Holtby aside...) until the goal, which saved him, then he brightened up a bit. He's got a talent on the ball, but he's more of a huffer and puffer than a sparkling footballer. I think there's a place for him in the squad.

Holtby: 6 - He's a good footballer, and he's busy, he was ok yesterday, I have higher hopes for him next season.

Bale: 5 - Was having a poor game until the injury, this central role may have benefitted Bale, but when Bale isn't uber-Bale like he wasn't last night, the negative effect on the team outweighs the positive for me.

Adebayor: 6 - Wouldn't blame the guy for fucking off as soon as he could, the abuse he gets is disgusting, scored a goal and immediately picked the ball up and went back to the centre circle, doesn't look to me like he's a guy who doesn't give a fuck, he's like the kid who gets bullied who looks like nobody loves him, they prefer someone else because they've got a better pair of shoes (Defoe).
 

Wardy

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Well here we go....

Friedel - 6

Naughton - 4 - got absolutely SHREDDED by that insanely fast right winger
Gallas - 2 - Just awful, can't wait for him to leave
Verts - 6 - Made some good tackles, but got caught out a few times. Some good runs when moved to LB
BAE - 4 - Just as bad as Naughton, slack and poor tackling

Holtby - 7 - Really good work ethnic and won the ball back quite a few times, but lacking creativity
Demeble - 8 - Another MOM performance for me. Destroyed them on his own and did as much as he could around a pathetic team effort last night
Parker - 5 - Some really poor passing and gave the ball away a lot to a team who are good on the ball
Bale - 3 - Worst game of the season. They marked him out of the game and he didn't create anything
Lennon - n/a - gutted he's injured

Adetwat - 4 - fluked a goal, but another classic dreadful performance. Awful touch, poor attempts at goal, lost the ball NUMEROUS times. Infuriating to watch, but did laugh at the spurs fans cheering when he won a header :D

Subs:
Siggy - 7 - Really good sub appearance and lucked a goal, but actually made some chances. Should be starting.
Dempsey - 3 - Did absolutely nothing
Dawson - 5 - n/a


Just a dreadful performance all round to be honest. Definitely the worst defensive display I've witnessed all season. With Lennon, Bale and Defoe out, I'm very concerned now. Conceeding 2 away goals to a Basel team who are notoriously hard to beat at home is also not great for our chances, but please prove me wrong!

I think we totally underestimated the ability of Basel. I was really impressed with them to be honest and they were unlucky not to leave the Lane 6-2 up.
 

SoulDog

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Friedel: Not sure if he should have done better with the headed goal or not. I'm going to go with 'should have done better' as he just seemed so slow to react to a very soft attempt.

Naughton: Unremarkable really, a couple of decent shots, no mistakes that I can remember defensively, but nothing that stands out as particularly good either.



Did you not see the 2nd goal?
 

Spurs_Bear

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Jan 7, 2009
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It was only after Holtby went off that we looked a real shambles, up until then it was just a shambles. I'm still struggling to work out how Parker missed an open goal...
As for ratings, pah, no point whatsoever. Gylfi done ok when he came on, Dembele for the first 60 minutes looked good when picking the ball up and bursting through the middle, Ade ran about a bit and scored (y), apart from that I'd have to say Holtby was probably the stand out player for us.
If I was AVB I'd be seriously tempted to look at giving Parker a rest and employing Hotbly in his role, we need some fresh legs in the middle asap.

It's not that hard to work out if you've seen the replay...
 

Spurs_Bear

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It was only after Holtby went off that we looked a real shambles, up until then it was just a shambles. I'm still struggling to work out how Parker missed an open goal...
As for ratings, pah, no point whatsoever. Gylfi done ok when he came on, Dembele for the first 60 minutes looked good when picking the ball up and bursting through the middle, Ade ran about a bit and scored (y), apart from that I'd have to say Holtby was probably the stand out player for us.
If I was AVB I'd be seriously tempted to look at giving Parker a rest and employing Hotbly in his role, we need some fresh legs in the middle asap.

If I was AVB I think I would probably play Carroll and Holtby with Dembele in midfield and Bale, Sigurdsson, and Lennon as a front 3 but that's probably more out of personal frustration and anger than wisdom. I don't see how Carroll doesn't get to play games though, what he offers is far more valuable than what most of our other players provide.

Carroll has a hamstring injury chaps.
 

SoulDog

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I largely agree with BC's analysis of the game itself, not so much his defence of Gallas, and definitely not with his comparison in Naughton/Walker.

Anyone who thought this was going to be an easy ride was in for a tough night, I didn't make it to the Lane last night but in many ways glad I didn't, atmosphere sounded pony on TV, apart from a bit of noise from the Swiss.

I really like Villas-Boas as a figurehead of our club, I don't think I've ever wanted one of our managers to succeed more than I do with him, but there are still some things that are doing my head in. His selection of Gallas as a one off player in Europe is bordering on lunacy. For me, Gallas has done a great job for us over the last couple of seasons, he's captained us well, he's played some great games against some of the top sides, and if he was fit and able to play 30 games a season with minimal rest I would have him as 1st/2nd name on the teamsheet. However, Ledley King he is not, he cannot step into a game after not playing regularly for long periods without looking like (and largely playing like...) a liability. Where AVB comes into this is not only with the selection, but the high line, and Friedel behind him. It just doesn't work as a one off. Caulker, or even Dawson who is it seems our first choice in the League, should be playing every game he is fit. For what it's worth, I wish Gallas was fit for every game, as I'd still pick him ahead of Dawson on a regular basis.

Next is Friedel, I am eternally grateful to him for saving us from the calamity that was Gomes, but he has done what many people were fearful of, and gone downhill suddenly rather than gradually, like David James did. As somebody already mentioned, his kicking is embarrassing, he can barely reach the half way line, he now looks like an old man in goal. If Lloris is fit enough to make the bench, then he must play, he is as important to us in my opinion as Bale is.

Ratings:

Friedel: 6 - Should have done better with the second goal, but did some better things in the second half, kicking aside.

Naughton: 4 - Is even worse at right back than he is at left back. Got skanked twice (first was a good bit of skill but...), had one decent and one very good attempt. Is so poor on the ball though as has the dynamism of a Tortoise.

Gallas: 4 - Very poor game. Gave away needless fouls, was behind the pace of the game right from the first whistle.

Vertonghen: 5 - Poorest game for a while, touch was off and played a load of hospital balls.

Assou-Ekotto: 5 - We got skanked down our left as well, Benni didn't have a good game.

Lennon: N/A

Parker: 6 - Damn toe. Up and down the pitch as usual.

Dembele: 6 - Story of recent times, was decent when he got the ball, it wasn't enough.

Sigurdsson: 6 - Actually thought he was very poor (ball to Holtby aside...) until the goal, which saved him, then he brightened up a bit. He's got a talent on the ball, but he's more of a huffer and puffer than a sparkling footballer. I think there's a place for him in the squad.

Holtby: 6 - He's a good footballer, and he's busy, he was ok yesterday, I have higher hopes for him next season.

Bale: 5 - Was having a poor game until the injury, this central role may have benefitted Bale, but when Bale isn't uber-Bale like he wasn't last night, the negative effect on the team outweighs the positive for me.

Adebayor: 6 - Wouldn't blame the guy for fucking off as soon as he could, the abuse he gets is disgusting, scored a goal and immediately picked the ball up and went back to the centre circle, doesn't look to me like he's a guy who doesn't give a fuck, he's like the kid who gets bullied who looks like nobody loves him, they prefer someone else because they've got a better pair of shoes (Defoe).


pretty much agree with your ratings apart from the Gallas bit as I do think people are being a bit harsh on Gallas. I think he made a few good challenges and he actually made a couple of good runs and touches. He is never going to be the answer but I think he is a better defender than Dawson and reads the game much better, also he did get a knock early on and was not much he could of done for the goals I dont think. We do not have anything better at the moment apart from Kaboul obviously
 

chrissivad

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It's not that hard to work out if you've seen the replay...

kind of agree, but was it the best option to try with your right foot to play it on the ground with a very small amount of the goal to aim at. I think he should have lifted it over Holtby, giving him self a much bigger target.


Brad- 6
Naughton- 4
Gallas- 4
Verts- 4
BAE- 3
Lennon- NA
Parker - 5
Dembele- 6
Holtby - 6
Bale- 4.5
Ade- 5

Dawson - 5
Siggy - 6
Dempsey - 4
 

Paolo10

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These threads continue to make me daydream about smacking people's teeth out with this keyboard for being complete fucking idiots. 3's and 4's eh? FUCK OFF.
 

Spurs_Bear

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kind of agree, but was it the best option to try with your right foot to play it on the ground with a very small amount of the goal to aim at. I think he should have lifted it over Holtby, giving him self a much bigger target.


Brad- 6
Naughton- 4
Gallas- 4
Verts- 4
BAE- 3
Lennon- NA
Parker - 5
Dembele- 6
Holtby - 6
Bale- 4.5
Ade- 5

Dawson - 5
Siggy - 6
Dempsey - 4

But then I think we need to remember this is a guy that hasn't scored for us in any competition in 2 years. Lifting the ball over him would have been adventurous. It was just a balls up from the start, great ball from Sig, Holtby should have scored but wanted too many touches, and then he sort of flattened himself out as I think he was wanting Parker to lift it over him too, but by doing this it diverted the ball past the post.
 

Spurs_Bear

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pretty much agree with your ratings apart from the Gallas bit as I do think people are being a bit harsh on Gallas. I think he made a few good challenges and he actually made a couple of good runs and touches. He is never going to be the answer but I think he is a better defender than Dawson and reads the game much better, also he did get a knock early on and was not much he could of done for the goals I dont think. We do not have anything better at the moment apart from Kaboul obviously

I agree and said so in my ratings, but my problem is as much with AVB for throwing him in for the odd game, we could do it with Ledley but we cant with Gallas. If Gallas was able to play regularly I would have him in the squad no question. He was poor last night though.
 

UncleBuck

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These threads continue to make me daydream about smacking people's teeth out with this keyboard for being complete fucking idiots. 3's and 4's eh? FUCK OFF.
We didn't play well, I think everyone knows that. However, to go two down as quickly as we did we could have totally capitulated, we've seen it happen on so many occasions in the past. At least we battled back and gave ourselves a fighting chance in the return fixture so fair play to the lads for actually getting back into the game, credit where credit is due.
Basel are a decent outfit who were in the CL this season and have been for as long as I can remember, THEY ARE NO MUGS, we have no right to think that they'll just turn up and we'll beat them!
 

stevenurse

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I love SuperJan to bits and think hes class but he majorly switched off for their 1st goal. You could see when streller turned he just stopped and shook his head before reacting very slowly to the rebound. Although I suppose understandable as you expect the striker to score, stopping isnt really acceptable.
 

mpickard2087

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Jun 13, 2008
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pretty much agree with your ratings apart from the Gallas bit as I do think people are being a bit harsh on Gallas. I think he made a few good challenges and he actually made a couple of good runs and touches. He is never going to be the answer but I think he is a better defender than Dawson and reads the game much better, also he did get a knock early on and was not much he could of done for the goals I dont think. We do not have anything better at the moment apart from Kaboul obviously

This, I mentioned this at half time that he was just the easy person to blame. He was bad but gets pelters, whilst Vertonghen plays even worse yet gets higher marks and saved on previous form. People are complaining about silly stuff that he dived into tackles and got a booking when he took someone out when they broke wide after three players had just been waltzed through as easy as anything. Well I tell you what, I fucking hope some of the others had taken this approach, such as Vertonghen and BAE for the first goal rather than the embarrassing attempts at tackles.

I agree with Bear though, he isn't King and cannot come in for the odd game now and then. When he played once a week there wasn't a problem with his form (he certainly wasn't 'always shit', as a few posters tried to claim last night).
 

sparx100

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Basel impressed me a great deal. They bossed us really on our own patch and probably wondered how they did not go away with a win. Still credit to the lads for sticking with it and giving themselves a chance of getting through.

Not much to say that hasn't already been said, but

Friedel - 6 - we have been spoilt with Hugo, and so whenever Friedel comes in, you compare. He isn't as good, but he wasn't to blame for the goals. Will probably be gone in the summer.

Naughton - 3 - more cautious than Walker, and got skinned countless times. Cannot rely on his pace to get him out of trouble. An ok squad player, but nothing more. I think in the summer Adam Smith should be brought in to replace Naughton.

Benny - 4 - not really sure why AVB subbed him. Was equally bad as Naughton defensively but got an extra mark as he at least goes forward in support. I would expect him based on selections to be off in the summer.

Gallas - 4 - looked sluggish and old. As someone said before though, very difficult to just play in Europa games only at your very best. Will be off in the summer.

Wow, so far potentially I have sanctioned the sales of the first 4.......

Verts - 4 - poor performance and was dominated in the air by Basel. Looked shaky at centre back and then AVB pushes him to left back which is a stupid choice.

Parker - 6.5 - I gave him MOM, and yes he gave the ball away cheaply but he was still a busy ****.

Dembele - 6 - so much talent, but playing in my opinion far too deep to influence the game. Very tidy, works his nuts off and has amazing ability, but difficult to influence games from inside your own half.

Holtby - 6.5 - worked hard as well tracking back. Not sure what his best position is though.

Bale - 5 - poor game. Gutted though as we have lost our match winner...

Lennon - meh...

Ade - 5.5 yes he scored, but the man cannot hold the ball up, and I have never quite understood for someone so tall how he gets dominated in the air by the centre backs. So frustrating and another on my ship out list so just the 5 out of the first 11.

Subs

Dawson - 3 - love his passion, but found it difficult coming on as sub and getting up to speed. Poor defensively.

Siggy - 6 - scored and looked positive, but only in patches. I think he has good potential but again not sure on his best position.

Dempsey - 5 - the people on the forum want him gone, me, I am ok with him. The thing he has done better than Ade in fairness is score goals. Granted the rest of his game is average, but again, I do feel like we don't really know where to play him.... (Awaits response from fans "anywhere but in the spurs team....").

What I have noticed is that we seem to lack that cutting edge - that sharpness and that creativity to turn possession into chances and goals. When I watch our midfield it feels like a load of Vinny Sideways, unless it gets to the wingers, there is not a great deal. With Ade up front on his own he doesn't offer a good option neither can he seemingly hold the ball up. It just feels a bit flat and one dimensional with us at the moment.
 

AngerManagement

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They seemed much more of a team than we did, much more slick with their movement and seemed to have actual tactics

I never see us making cohesive movements and runs from corners and set plays to pull opposing defensives out of position and set up a free header for our player from the set piece

For their second goal the runs to the front post drew all of the near by defenders away from the danger zone and NAughton was completely out foxed by the eventual scorer as he dummied a forward run and checked backwards

Great play by them but shocking defending by us, especially Naughton and whilst blind sighted with obstructed vision let's face it Friedel shouldn't have let that header past him

Our defense always looks shocking in the Europa, Brad leaves the back line exposed and Gallas is looking past it (doesn't help when your best players like Vertonghen also have a night mare)

We just look like a team with no real direction, no real tactics or plan just a group of indivduals hoping for our best players to do something special and win the game for us.

We need the type of movement and link play as a team that Basel displayed last night, we were lucky to escape with a draw but to be honest unless we drastically improve in the second leg it's unlikely we're going to advance any further in this competition
 
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