ratings vs Leeds (fa cup)

[Legend10]

Well er maybe the fact that Bassong was marking the Leeds player who first got a touch from the corner, which then resulted in Beckfords goal. Bassong lost his man, simple. Thats how.

Or maybe we should blame Gomes for the second, as although Dawson gave away the penalty, Gomes could have saved it.

Bassong was so obviously the one who didn't do his job for the first goal.

Some people were blaming Jenas because it hit him FFS. It was just one of those scrappy goals where they got the first touch and it the bounce fell for them.

 

[Luka Lennon]

Well er maybe the fact that Bassong was marking the Leeds player who first got a touch from the corner, which then resulted in Beckfords goal. Bassong lost his man, simple. Thats how.

Or maybe we should blame Gomes for the second, as although Dawson gave away the penalty, Gomes could have saved it.

ok Bassong lost out on the header but Bassongs man didn't score

fact is there was a circle of Spurs players around Beckford so there's no way in hell he should have scored

placing all the blame on Bassong is just stupid and I'ma just ignore you're 2nd sentence k

 

[Luka Lennon]

Erm I find your posts interesting, without wishing to be rude I think you might be the most football brain dead person ever. I'd love to borrow your eyes and brain for 90 minutes to watch a game, it would be fascinating.

no need to start lying we both know that's exactly what you wanted to be not that I give a flying fuck what u think anyway

 

[Damian99]

ok Bassong lost out on the header but Bassongs man didn't score

fact is there was a circle of Spurs players around Beckford so there's no way in hell he should have scored

placing all the blame on Bassong is just stupid and I'ma just ignore you're 2nd sentence k

Oh for fucksake might aswell blame Gomes for every single goal then, look at the bigger picture(or atleast start from the corner) Corner comes over, BASSONG does HIS JOB and wins the first and most crucial part(the first ball) after he's done that, then we aren't having this debate and im in my fucking bed asleep.

My second sentence was sarcasm. But almost as daft as blaming other people for Bassongs error that DID lead to a goal, wether or not we should have dealt with it and make no mistake we should have, isn't the real issue.

 

[Michey]

I'm finding it really hard to believe that Rose was preferred to Dos Santos (not even a place on the bench).

Beeing on the bench against Liverpool three days ago and not even beeing included in this game. It's just lacks all sorts of logic

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Damian666
I suppose you completely missed the moment in the first half when dawson made a complete fucking howler which let Beckford clean through on the left of the box ?

And then a few minutes later he again lets Beckford somehow get three yards bahind him and through again, this time Gomes saving.

He was poor all night. It's the most I've seen him aimlessly hump the ball all season. I really thought he'd eradicated it.

It was a harshly awarded penalty but it was an incredibly risky type of tackle to make. Going to ground in the box from that position was daft. It was poorly judged.

I think Dawson has been pretty good lately and have said so, but Liverpool and tonight he was poor and looked like the Dawson of old.

 

[Damian99]

Damian666
I suppose you completely missed the moment in the first half when dawson made a complete fucking howler which let Beckford clean through on the left of the box ?

And then a few minutes later he again lets Beckford somehow get three yards bahind him and through again, this time Gomes saving.

He was poor all night. It's the most I've seen him aimlessly hump the ball all season. I really thought he'd eradicated it.

It was a harshly awarded penalty but it was an incredibly risky type of tackle to make. Going to ground in the box from that position was daft. It was poorly judged.

I think Dawson has been pretty good lately and have said so, but Liverpool and tonight he was poor and looked like the Dawson of old.

Nope that was poor defending by Dawson, but do you not think Bassong could have got across and stopped the shot on goal also? I mean he did cover, just didnt get close enough imo, but it was no worse defending than Bassongs backing off(same half later on i think) almost to the point he ended up in the back of the net, at some point he needed to close the man down. But hey, you're to busy watching Dawson.

Bassong was in no way better than Dawson tonight, which was my initial point i was making to you, i saw the game and i saw Dawson's mistakes. Both CBs cost us goals, i fail to see how bassong scored more highly, thats all.

Oh and has anyone played particularly well in the last two games, i mean we haven't won either of them, so i suppose the answer to that, must be a "no"

Bar Gomes and bale to a certain extent.

By the way soft lad it's Damian99.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I think you better watch the corner goal again.

Done that ? good. Now tell me who got themselves furthest away from the bloke they were marking ? Bassong from Bromby or Dawson from Kisnorbo ?

That's right genius, it was dawson by about a country mile. Bassong goes with his bloke all the way but the corner swings outwards low and Bromby just pokes a leg in front.

What happens next involves neither of them as it's the result of a ball ricocheting around the six yard box.

What you need to do is engage your brain before your gob.

You'll get the hang of it.

 

[3Dnata]

Gomes-7 decent saves
Hutton-7 solid game got forward well
Bale-8.5 excellent performance with just one moment of greed but that did come at the end of a great run
Dawson-4 didn't need to dive in like that cost us a goal
Bassong-5 looked shaky
Jenas-1 By some way the worst performance in a Spurs shirt since I can't remember when. His persistence to get Beckford a goal eventually paid off. What made it worse for me was ITV said he was told of the problem he was causing at half-time(some how an England international can't work it out for himself) he then promptly did a pathetic back pass-shameful performance.Perhaps his mind was on something else.
Modric-7 solid improving
Kranjcar-6.5 -solid
Rose-6 had to be subbed because of JJ's incompetence.
Defoe-4 An England international who's afraid to take a penalty,had he scored the game should have been easily won.
Crouch 6-Adequate
Pavs-7 done enough to start ahead of any of our strikers
Wilson -7 we need back up for this lad
Keane-6.5 run around a bit I'm not sure what he's supposed to do in that position.
Anyone who says why do we pick Hudd should get a video of JJ's performance today.
Defoe,Dawson and JJ should be trying to impress to get a place in the World cup squad they all failed today.

 

[stevenqoz]

Gomes 6.5
Hutton 7
Dawson 6.5
Bassong 5.5
Bale 7.5
Kranjcar 6
Jenas 5.5
Modric 6
Rose 5
Defoe 6.5
Crouch 6
Keane 6.5
Pav 7
Palacios 7
Harry 6

 

[trevo]

Why is it that recently when I watch us play 90 minutes I seemed to have aged at least twice that amount of time?

Gomes - 6.5 - 2 good saves weird distribution at times

Hutton - 7 one of his better games going forward, however my heart goes in my mouth whenever he moves towards thae centre of defence where he has no positional sense whatsoever

Dawson - 6.5 - Fairy competent good saving tackles but as dumb as anything for the penalty

Bassong - 5 - Showed little to rate more than this he's shown a considerable dip in effectiveness recently

Bale - 8 MOM - Fantastic game and enjoying the run much as I like Disco Benny. If he only he had a right foot as well.

Kranjcar - 6 - solid but unimpressive game,
Modric - 5.5 - Nothing like the same player as before. No controls the game or good reading. He tended to fade away and become univolved making it even harder with JJ also failing to impact.
Jenas - 5 - no idea defensively or going forward, it's time for him to put up of piss off.
Rose - 4 - Very quiet and pretty clueless really

Defoe - 4 - Shocking penalty, should never take one again, Where did he go for the rest of the game?

Crouch - 5 - Got the goal, but was poor otherwise. I would start Pav before him and use him as a sub

SUBS:

Palacios - 7 - Came on and almost instantly stopped Leeds in their tracks. Did well considering the lack of ability of Mods and JJ
Keane - 6 - Not bad not enough pointing and shouting
Pavlyuchenko - 7.5 - Great goal, and held up the ball well, linked up play, and added a little more pace and energy. More of a Spurs style platyer than Crouch and should start more games IMHO

 

[TopSpurMan]

gomes - 8
hutton - 4 - no reason other than he simply is not good enough
dawsun - 6.5 - some mistakes - but then heading the ball into a midlfield devoid of white shirts is not to be expected
bassong - 7
bale - 8 - boy did well
kranjcar - 6 not a good game for him - went awol
modric - 6 not a great game for luka either needs his ball winner
jenas - 4 please sell him or at least teach him to pass forward
rose - 7 nice game loads of promise
crouch - 7 - did ok -
defoe - 8 lots of good movement - i think his confidence is suffering some
keano - 6 - decent goal that was not - otherwise not a scooby
pav - 8 showed harry what he and we are missing
wilson - 7 - good game -needs a bit more pass accuracy

redknapp - 6 - start pav for gods sake

 

[Damian99]

I think you better watch the corner goal again.

Done that ? good. Now tell me who got themselves furthest away from the bloke they were marking ? Bassong from Bromby or Dawson from Kisnorbo ?

That's right genius, it was dawson by about a country mile. Bassong goes with his bloke all the way but the corner swings outwards low and Bromby just pokes a leg in front.

What happens next involves neither of them as it's the result of a ball ricocheting around the six yard box.

What you need to do is engage your brain before your gob.

You'll get the hang of it.

Fucking hell what are you talking about? Join the circus my friend cos you are nothing more than a first class CLOWN :duh:

You gotta be as thick as two short planks. Dawson cud have been taking a shit at the time(neither him or Kisnorbo have any affect on that goal), so where he's stood compared to Bassong is rellevant WHY? It's not is it, because it's the man Bassong is supposed to be marking(how close he is in inches to him doesn't fucking matter, obviously not close enough) Bromby gets infront of him and therefor because of that Leeds manage to score.

Get this through to your thick skull. If Bassong attacks the first ball with any conviction, does what he's supposed to do and gets there first, he wins the ball, the rest doesn't even occur.

Oh and dawson could even been signing autographs behind the goal for all i care at that point.
:stupid:

Last Question, from open play. Who was Bassong marking?

 

[Gilzeanking]

Won't bore with a restatement of my Defoe/penalty views..we all agree now .

Watch out about Pav coming on from the bench and being very good . Seen this before ,including a good goal....next match he got a start and was completely disinterested . Can't work him out at all .

Saw Keano twist this way and then that ,creating space before shooting and thought fuck me..theres RK...first glimpse of the man's former abilities for months/years .
Moddys not back with us yet properly...breaking a leg must be mentally damaging, hope he gets his mojo back .

We're all fairly relaxed because its only the FA cup . This game added to our last few tells me CL really is just a pipe dream .

 

[dimiSpur]

why was bale and hutton still going foward in the 95th minute?leaving us exposed to one long ball,we should have kept shape and f*****g ball.gomes 7 hutton 5 dawson6 bassong 6 bale 8 rose5 jenas 5 modric 4 niko 5 crouch 6 defoe 6.......keane6 pav 7.5 wilson 7...

 

[SoulDog]

Was a great day yesterday(apart from the score.) Started of by having a few drinks in the Bricklayers and then we made or way to the ground, there was a "proper buzz" around the place, everyone was up for it. As we started to walk past the leeds fans everything went mad, they started throwing things at us so all the spurs boys charged at them, police didnt have a clue what to do. I was late into the ground as it was going mental for over 20 mins. I was sitting right next to their fans so did not see too much of the game. I thought the atmosphere started of great, both fans singing but after the missed pen it seemed leeds were louder than us for quite a while. Was argueing with there fans most of the match but fair play to them really, and one off there fans shook my hand at the end.

When we came out again everything went mad and there boys tried to charge us coming out of the ground. Dunno why they let them out, surely old bill would know things would get naughty?

Watched the game back on skyplus last night and have to say how the hell did we not win it? Totaly outplayed them first half, defoe started of really well, looked lively, some good shots etc, but why the hell did they let him take the pen? Everytime he takes one I feel he is going to miss it.

Gutted we did not win this, played some great football but fair play to leeds and there fans.



Gomes-8 some really good saves

hutton-7 played quite well

dawson-4 cost us again, clumsy, not good enough

bassong-6.5 i like him, he did ok

bale- 8 played well

Kranjcar-6.5 again ok

modric-6.5 again ok

jenas-6.5 done some ok things

rose-7 thought he done ok, won the pen, worked hard.

crouch-7-worked vey hard

defoe-6.5 started of really well, but was poor 2nd half

palacois-7 done well when he came on
Pav-8, great goal, realy pleased to see him score, always liked him

 

[phil]

We're not getting the rub of the green at present. After the disallowed goal at Anfield there were two decisions yesterday that went against us. Defoe was clearly brought down in the box but nothing was given. It was a far clearer penalty than Dawson's clumsy tackle on Beckford. After watching it in slow motion, I think that Dawson did foul Beckford but it was such a hairline decision that most referees would not have given it.

Gomes 7 - A couple of fine saves.

Hutton 7 - Got forward well and did not do too much wrong at the back.

Dawson 4.5 - Why did he dive in for the tackle? Was always going to be risky and I'm not sure that Beckford had too many options as we had a lot of players back. One great tackle in an otherwise poor performance in which he lost Beckford a couple of times in goalscoring positions.

Bassong 4.5 - At fault for the first goal and not that good for the rest of the match.

Bale 8.5 - Great going forward and I thought he defended well again. Those who say he can't defend may have to start eating their words. Been our best player in the last three matches.

Kranjcar 6 - O.k. but he seems to have lost his form.

Jenas 5 - Fairly anonymous and an awful back pass that could have led to a goal. Why does he run round in circles when he gets the ball?

Modric 7 - I thought there were signs of him getting back form although he wasn't helped by playing with Jenas.

Rose 5 - Poor performance. Harry, and his training staff, see him and Gio every day in training and he obviously rates Rose higher than Gio. Think the occasion probably got to him.

Crouch 7 - Won plenty of headers and took his chance instinctively.

Defoe 7 - An awful penalty. If you are going to side-foot the ball along the ground it is 50/50 whether the keeper goes the right way and saves it. It is fine placing the ball if the keeper has already committed, but yesterday he hadn't. At school we had Spurs player, Tony Marchi, for our coach. He coached that penalties should always have pace and elevation (like Beckford's). Apart from that I thought that Defoe had a good game. Made the goal for Pav and should have got a penalty when he was clearly brought down. His pace caused problems for Leeds and he worked really hard.

Subs

Palacios 7 - Should have started

Pav 7 - Scored a good goal but otherwise not convincing. Why was he constantly drifting out to the left?

Keane 6 - O.k.

 

[Gilzeanking]

. At school we had Spurs player, Tony Marchi, for our coach. He coached that penalties should always have pace and elevation (like Beckford's).

Tony Marchi eh . Disagree with him . Introducing elevation into a penalty is adding another dimension of risk (vertical ) Control over elevation is tricky (ask Chris Waddle) . Flat along the ground I'd recommend for schoolteams but never allow the ball to rise to 2 feet(ish) which is perfect for a diving goalie.

 

[Marty]

a) We really deserved to win and played quite well overall
b) Leeds are only a League 1 club in table standings. Their squad is more like a top end Championship one, maybe even as good as the likes of Pompey's and Hull's. I was very impressed with them.

Gomes - 7.5 - Two or three good saves, nowt he could do with the goals.

Hutton - 7 - Good performance on the overlap, showed good skill at times and wasn't bad defensively.
Dawson - 6 - Regardless of whether or not it was a penalty, he really shouldn't have gone to ground, he could've hassled Beckford into giving it away had he stayed up. Also made one howler in the first half that let Beckford in. But other than that he was very good. For most defensive set pieces nobody else even looked like winning the header.
Bassong - 6 - Didn't look as comfortable as we've become used to.
Bale - 7.5 - Very good today, both defensively and going forward. Some brilliant surging runs towards the end that deserved better. Mostly good set pieces.

Kranjcar - 6 - Some nice touches but little end product. His set pieces weren't good enough.
Jenas - 6 - Did the simple stuff well, but every time he tried to do something constructive he gave possession away. If he believed in himself he'd be our Gerrard. Sadly he doesn't.
Modric - 7 - Busy little bee, did pretty well.
Rose - 6 - Tried hard but not much in the way of end product.

Defoe - 6 - One mark down for the shocking penalty miss, needs to see Beckford for a lesson on penalties. Can't believe the second assault on him in the box wasn't given. Constantly caused problems for their defence but does seem a little off form.
Crouch - 7 - Good instinct for goal, won most of the headers. It's not his fault that we tend to lump it up to him when nobody's around to feed off him.

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Palacios - 7 - Good
Pav - 7.5 - Very good goal, put in some proper effort. I also wondered why he tended to drift out left but I'm not going to complain because he did very well today. Put in half as much effort in the next few league games he plays and he might have a future here.
Keane - 7 - Did alright, not going to complain about him today. One very good twist and shot that looked like vintage Keano and forced a decent save.

 

[Damian99]

Tony Marchi eh . Disagree with him . Introducing elevation into a penalty is adding another dimension of risk (vertical ) Control over elevation is tricky (ask Chris Waddle) . Flat along the ground I'd recommend for schoolteams but never allow the ball to rise to 2 feet(ish) which is perfect for a diving goalie.

Any penalty that goes in imo is a good penalty, but i agre, hard and low into either corner, then no goalkeeper will save it.

It's also about confidence and composure, there is(usually) massive pressure attached to a penalty thats why some great players have fluffed them.

I was hoping Modric would have stepped up yesterday he appears the type of player that has the abilty, cofidence and composure to hit the back of the net.