Ratings vs Norwich City

[steve]

It most certainly was, i think the fact we had two players behind him when he had his rush of blood, saved him from a red card.

Only my opinion.

I think he came a long way with his eye on the ball - it was only just outside the box ( I sit in line with that 18 yard box) and I don't think he thought for a minute ' I'm gonna come and punch this outside the box to stop them scoring '. I think it was a genuine misjudgement and a tight one at that and the ref got it right considering that and the other players around him. He didn't need to come for that ball though.

 

[Mr Pink]

I think he came a long way with his eye on the ball - it was only just outside the box ( I sit in line with that 18 yard box) and I don't think he thought for a minute ' I'm gonna come and punch this outside the box to stop them scoring '. I think it was a genuine misjudgement and a tight one at that and the ref got it right considering that and the other players around him. He didn't need to come for that ball though.

Yeah, my thoughts on it to Steve.

 

[Damian99]

I think he came a long way with his eye on the ball - it was only just outside the box ( I sit in line with that 18 yard box) and I don't think he thought for a minute ' I'm gonna come and punch this outside the box to stop them scoring '. I think it was a genuine misjudgement and a tight one at that and the ref got it right considering that and the other players around him. He didn't need to come for that ball though.

Correct, he did make a slight error in judgement but i don't think a referee takes that into account, the Tottenham players goal side of Lloris saved him from a red card imo.

Regardless of how the ref/linesman came to a yellow card decision i think Lloris can count himself a little lucky there.

 

[beats1]

'Twas good performance yesterday indeed. Domination says 'hi'.

Rose had a decent game and I thought our midfield was very good, Dembele was particularly good to watch which was promising.

Gomes is back at the club and Lloris starts to look a little shaky...nothing more than a blip though for me.

Question for any referees on here, should he not have been sent off for deliberate handball outside the area?

MOTD showed he shouldnt as he had his whole defence whereas when the Norwich keeper did it last year he was the last man

 

[Spurs_Bear]

It wasn't deliberate.

Deliberate handball though surely? As in he used his hands deliberately.

Just seen the other responses, I'm not arguing that he should have gone, just wasn't sure what the law states.

 

[Damian99]

Deliberate handball though surely? As in he used his hands deliberately.

Just seen the other responses, I'm not arguing that he should have gone, just wasn't sure what the law states.

He deliberately came to punch the ball clear, he(we assume) didn't mean to travel out of his area when doing so, but i don't think that would have been in the refs mind when producing a yellow but more the fact it was NOT a clear goal scoring opportunity as we had men goal side of Lloris.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

'Twas good performance yesterday indeed. Domination says 'hi'.

Rose had a decent game and I thought our midfield was very good, Dembele was particularly good to watch which was promising.

Gomes is back at the club and Lloris starts to look a little shaky...nothing more than a blip though for me.

Question for any referees on here, should he not have been sent off for deliberate handball outside the area?

He had two players behind him. They showed the Norwich keeper's sending off and he prevented the forward going clean through.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

He had two players behind him. They showed the Norwich keeper's sending off and he prevented the forward going clean through.

I see.

 

[felmani26]

He had two players behind him. They showed the Norwich keeper's sending off and he prevented the forward going clean through.

That was much more clear cut after Bunn bundled (excuse the pun) out with both hands with nobody around him so I think the ref and the linesman got the decision spot on yesterday.

It was actually encouraging to know that even with the high line, we managed to get two people back in the event that the attacker does actually bypass Lloris so it's clear the players are getting used to the defensive system.

 

[Blake Griffin]

the rule is the same for all players, there isn't one rule for goalkeepers and another for the rest, if vertonghen had handballed it there then he'd be getting a yellow as well. ref made the right decision - assuming it was actually outside the area, i'm still not sure if it was.

 

[sloth]

A few people have been giving Blake Griffith a hard time for being inconsistent, but I don't think he has been. Wrong, definitely, but inconsistent, no. His moan has been we've lacked a bit of craft and guile, that we haven't been hooking up our attack to dominant off-the-ball performances. The solution yesterday was Eriksen and we looked better for it. It almost makes BG's point it seems to me.

Where I take issue with his earlier analysis is that for me it was far, far too negative. We looked good against Swansea and Arsenal and in different contexts we could have got much better results than we did. In other words we weren't dire, but imo good. None of which is to deny deficiencies in our play or to say that we couldn't improve, and that the room for improvement came in the shape of better creativity. Yesterday, thanks to Eriksen, we did improve precisely there. So for me there's now even more reason to be positive. We didn't go from dire to excellent over-night, but from good, to very good.

 

[ShelfSide18]

I think the ref realised that Lloris thought he was inside the box, and also wasn't preventing a clear goalscoring opportunity like a 1 on 1 or something. It's the right decision I think, and regardless, wouldn't have made a iota of difference to the result anyway.

I do remember thinking when Hugo came balling out that it was ambitious in the extreme, but if you consider the kind of keeper he is it's pretty phenomenal how good his decision making is. Most keepers of that ilk get the erratic label applied very quickly in the EPL, but the guy is probably the best keeper in the PL at the moment, one of the best in Europe.

 

[steve]

Correct, he did make a slight error in judgement but i don't think a referee takes that into account, the Tottenham players goal side of Lloris saved him from a red card imo.

Regardless of how the ref/linesman came to a yellow card decision i think Lloris can count himself a little lucky there.

You're right I guess about the ref's view of it but he got the decision right I think.

Deliberate handball though surely? As in he used his hands deliberately.

Just seen the other responses, I'm not arguing that he should have gone, just wasn't sure what the law states.

Ok let you off Bear.

I think the ref realised that Lloris thought he was inside the box, and also wasn't preventing a clear goalscoring opportunity like a 1 on 1 or something. It's the right decision I think, and regardless, wouldn't have made a iota of difference to the result anyway.

Yeah that's what I think but as Damo99 points out does the law allow the ref to say ' it was a genuine error of judgement and I'll take that into consideration ?'

 

[Bus-Conductor]

A few people have been giving Blake Griffith a hard time for being inconsistent, but I don't think he has been. Wrong, definitely, but inconsistent, no. His moan has been we've lacked a bit of craft and guile, that we haven't been hooking up our attack to dominant off-the-ball performances. The solution yesterday was Eriksen and we looked better for it. It almost makes BG's point it seems to me.

Where I take issue with his earlier analysis is that for me it was far, far too negative. We looked good against Swansea and Arsenal and in different contexts we could have got much better results than we did. In other words we weren't dire, but imo good. None of which is to deny deficiencies in our play or to say that we couldn't improve, and that the room for improvement came in the shape of better creativity. Yesterday, thanks to Eriksen, we did improve precisely there. So for me there's now even more reason to be positive. We didn't go from dire to excellent over-night, but from good, to very good.

I assume this is aimed at me as I haven't seen anyone else reference BG.

It's his aversion to possession football. He's told me he doesn't like it, he prefers teams to sit deep and break fast. We fundamentally disagree about how the game should be played. He usually ribs me when I say "we lost but we had more of the ball" as it being meaningless. But I have always countered that's it's a fundamental building block that just need intelligent operatives to guild it.

He also argued that AVB doesn't like "clever" player but prefers powerful ones. Which is wrong.

 

[Spurs_Bear]

I assume this is aimed at me as I haven't seen anyone else reference BG.

It's his aversion to possession football. He's told me he doesn't like it, he prefers teams to sit deep and break fast. We fundamentally disagree about how the game should be played. He usually ribs me when I say "we lost but we had more of the ball" as it being meaningless. But I have always countered that's it's a fundamental building block that just need intelligent operatives to guild it.

He also argued that AVB doesn't like "clever" player but prefers powerful ones. Which is wrong.

I don't think he said that at all BC, he said he prefers fast, direct football. Which isn't the same as what you're implying.

 

[crokey]

From what I can tell BC wants us to emulate Barcelona, BG wants us to emulate Dortmund

 

[THFCSPURS19]

From what I can tell BC wants us to emulate Barcelona, BG wants us to emulate Dortmund

And I want us to emulate Tottenham Hotspur- what is the point of trying to be like other teams when we should have our own identity- we used to!

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I don't think he said that at all BC, he said he prefers fast, direct football. Which isn't the same as what you're implying.

What does fast direct football mean exactly ?

Does fast and direct mean Eriksen should have shot instead of passing to Sigurdsson or Paulinho when we scored. It would have been faster and more direct ?

Every time I talk about possession you and him post the Brendon Rodgers gags, and the "we won the possession" jokes. BG has said previously he doesn't like the way Barca play for example.

I've argued many times, including with you and him last week was that it is building block that just needs more intelligent operatives to capitalise on it.

You cannot have performances like yesterday without those fundamentals being in place, but all you and BG seemed to see was "pointless possession".

 

[Bus-Conductor]

From what I can tell BC wants us to emulate Barcelona, BG wants us to emulate Dortmund

You couldn't be more wrong:

Me 24.04.13

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/ind...-footy-23-25-april.96704/page-12#post-3301384

Dortmund represent everything I believe football should be about. Coaching, development, work ethic, passing, movement, cohesion, craft, wit.
I think Lewandowski and Goetze are crazy to want to leave this club.

Two fantastic games, four fantastic football teams representing perfectly the best of the modern game.

 

[Mr Pink]

Thought BG liked yesterday's performance?