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Alli, Rose and Walker (+ Dembele) were being saved for Arsenal.
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Alli, Rose and Walker (+ Dembele) were being saved for Arsenal.
Neon_Knight_
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No one gets more than a 6 from me.
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We weren't good, but let's be fair,Wham weren't as amazing as everyone is making out. Were they better than us? Yes. Did they dominate us or play us off the park? Not a chance. They scored an early goal from a set piece and hung on to that, not creating very much at all afterwards.
Granted we only had a few half chances ourselves, but we controlled the ball in the second half and were pushing for an equaliser. Their 1-0 win comes nothing close to our 4-0 demolition of them at the lane where they could barely touch the ball. Disappointing and a few players like Davies, Mason, Chadli and Kane seriously underperformed, but there are bigger games coming up!
Granted we only had a few half chances ourselves, but we controlled the ball in the second half and were pushing for an equaliser. Their 1-0 win comes nothing close to our 4-0 demolition of them at the lane where they could barely touch the ball. Disappointing and a few players like Davies, Mason, Chadli and Kane seriously underperformed, but there are bigger games coming up!
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Poch out
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There's no team I hate losing to more than those ****s, believe me, and I've been critical of Bilic too, likeable bloke who IMO talks better than he walks, so it pains me very much to say this, but sometimes you just have to put your hands up and say, they were tactically better than us tonight. I don't mean they played us off the park for 90 minutes in a footballing, with the ball sense, I mean they were tactically better, in their set up, and in their application, especially in that crucial first 45 minutes.
Bilic to his credit, looked at how we play, changed his system to something resembling a 541/361 without the ball, 352/3511/334 with it, flooded the middle third, tenaciously set about our CM's, knowing that they are crucial to our passing game, and stopped our full backs getting over the halfway line. It worked an absolute treat, they pressed us out of the ball and could load forward areas.
Pochettino, tactically came up short for the second game running tonight. Chadli for this battle - and even though they were better than we expected, it was always going to be a battle, it's their fucking cup final and they had plenty to play for too - worried me before kick off and those worries weren't eased when he carelessly cost us first the corner then got outmuscled for the goal. And I said in the week, it would have made more sense to play Trippier against the bus park of Swansea and Walker for the battle tonight.
His only tactical reaction in that first half, in which they clearly had the tactical upper hand, was to switch Lamela and Chadli over from inverted AM's to effectively make them wingers, just at a time when we were getting into the game and both these players were getting on the ball, cutting inside, making some space for the full backs, and for the 3rd or 4th game running this switch back to orthodoxy of side for the two previously inverted AM's hampered us, and killed the momentum we'd just started to grow. Now Chadli and Lamela were hugging the touchlines, the FB's were stuck behind them in a holding pattern, the flank became a congested mess and the middle became a waste ground.
Both our CM's struggled with their numerical disadvantage and aggressive press, Dier was flustered into giving the ball away repeatedly, and Mason couldn't get on it enough.
I was expecting a change at half time. Logical for me would have been to take Chadli or Lamela off, get Alli on, go 433/451/415 start matching them numerically in the middle, getting up them, we needed to start winning the ball higher up the pitch and loading forward areas in possession.
As it was Poch did fuck all for another 15 minutes. And to be honest the change made little difference. We already had more ball second half but, because of the tactical set up, were not winning it high or quickly enough, were never creating over loads in forward areas, and created absolutely nothing. And Alli was no more composed than the other forwards had been.
You have to credit West Ham, it's the hardest game we've had, possibly all season, and it was exacerbated by the fact that people like Davies, Chadli, Dier, Lamela, Alli, Son and Kane were all varying degrees of careless, ill composed, bumbling fucking nitwits that all seemed to be playing in clown boots, and the very few moments of half promise were pissed away in a puff panicky flappyness.
Individual
Lloris - I was a tad disappointed with the goal. Just a tad. And his kicking was hit and miss as ever.
Trippier - Tough night. Never allowed to attack and that's his raison d'être.
Alderweireld - Hardest game he's had for a while. Did a good job for the most part.
Wimmer - Blowing hard.
Davies - Hard night, but he was very poor with the ball, needlessly coughing up possession at times.
Dier - They got up him and it rattled him. Not seen him look this ruffled since the first few games of the season. Gave the ball away a quarter of all he attempted.
Mason - Like Dier, completely harassed out of his A game. Not a great night.
Lamela - When playing ARM, after the first 10 minutes there was a phase when he was getting on the ball quite a lot, cutting in and starting to spark. Yes, he was erratic and frittered a couple of moments away, but there was at least a pulse to our attacking play, but Poch's idiotic switching of him over to the left just killed it.
Eriksen - Possibly the only player along with Alderweireld to come out of the game with a soupçon of merit in a footballing sense. But not much.
Chadli - I never would have started him on a night like tonight. And like last years cup final a couple of moments of typical Chadli mental laziness have cost us dear.
Kane - Really poor game. I know it was a tough night, but even those fleeting moments where he was involved he bumbled.
Subs - meh.
Poch - What with Eriksen in CM sunday, getting the full back selection wrong and tactically having no answer to Bilic tonight, it's not been his best few days.
Bilic to his credit, looked at how we play, changed his system to something resembling a 541/361 without the ball, 352/3511/334 with it, flooded the middle third, tenaciously set about our CM's, knowing that they are crucial to our passing game, and stopped our full backs getting over the halfway line. It worked an absolute treat, they pressed us out of the ball and could load forward areas.
Pochettino, tactically came up short for the second game running tonight. Chadli for this battle - and even though they were better than we expected, it was always going to be a battle, it's their fucking cup final and they had plenty to play for too - worried me before kick off and those worries weren't eased when he carelessly cost us first the corner then got outmuscled for the goal. And I said in the week, it would have made more sense to play Trippier against the bus park of Swansea and Walker for the battle tonight.
His only tactical reaction in that first half, in which they clearly had the tactical upper hand, was to switch Lamela and Chadli over from inverted AM's to effectively make them wingers, just at a time when we were getting into the game and both these players were getting on the ball, cutting inside, making some space for the full backs, and for the 3rd or 4th game running this switch back to orthodoxy of side for the two previously inverted AM's hampered us, and killed the momentum we'd just started to grow. Now Chadli and Lamela were hugging the touchlines, the FB's were stuck behind them in a holding pattern, the flank became a congested mess and the middle became a waste ground.
Both our CM's struggled with their numerical disadvantage and aggressive press, Dier was flustered into giving the ball away repeatedly, and Mason couldn't get on it enough.
I was expecting a change at half time. Logical for me would have been to take Chadli or Lamela off, get Alli on, go 433/451/415 start matching them numerically in the middle, getting up them, we needed to start winning the ball higher up the pitch and loading forward areas in possession.
As it was Poch did fuck all for another 15 minutes. And to be honest the change made little difference. We already had more ball second half but, because of the tactical set up, were not winning it high or quickly enough, were never creating over loads in forward areas, and created absolutely nothing. And Alli was no more composed than the other forwards had been.
You have to credit West Ham, it's the hardest game we've had, possibly all season, and it was exacerbated by the fact that people like Davies, Chadli, Dier, Lamela, Alli, Son and Kane were all varying degrees of careless, ill composed, bumbling fucking nitwits that all seemed to be playing in clown boots, and the very few moments of half promise were pissed away in a puff panicky flappyness.
Individual
Lloris - I was a tad disappointed with the goal. Just a tad. And his kicking was hit and miss as ever.
Trippier - Tough night. Never allowed to attack and that's his raison d'être.
Alderweireld - Hardest game he's had for a while. Did a good job for the most part.
Wimmer - Blowing hard.
Davies - Hard night, but he was very poor with the ball, needlessly coughing up possession at times.
Dier - They got up him and it rattled him. Not seen him look this ruffled since the first few games of the season. Gave the ball away a quarter of all he attempted.
Mason - Like Dier, completely harassed out of his A game. Not a great night.
Lamela - When playing ARM, after the first 10 minutes there was a phase when he was getting on the ball quite a lot, cutting in and starting to spark. Yes, he was erratic and frittered a couple of moments away, but there was at least a pulse to our attacking play, but Poch's idiotic switching of him over to the left just killed it.
Eriksen - Possibly the only player along with Alderweireld to come out of the game with a soupçon of merit in a footballing sense. But not much.
Chadli - I never would have started him on a night like tonight. And like last years cup final a couple of moments of typical Chadli mental laziness have cost us dear.
Kane - Really poor game. I know it was a tough night, but even those fleeting moments where he was involved he bumbled.
Subs - meh.
Poch - What with Eriksen in CM sunday, getting the full back selection wrong and tactically having no answer to Bilic tonight, it's not been his best few days.
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southlondonyiddo
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Our full-backs won us the last game and were the weakest link in this. Everybody seemed a little subdued though, except Lamela, who kept up his usual high intensity. I made him MOTM.
Have to admit that West Ham were very good, particularly in the first half when they out-competed us. In the second they just had to hold on, which they did with relative ease. We rarely looked dangerous.
On the bright side, Arsenal and City list too, and we're still only a win off top spot. We've seen that defeats are anomalies we bounce back from and not the wheels coming off. I still have us as favourites.
Have to admit that West Ham were very good, particularly in the first half when they out-competed us. In the second they just had to hold on, which they did with relative ease. We rarely looked dangerous.
On the bright side, Arsenal and City list too, and we're still only a win off top spot. We've seen that defeats are anomalies we bounce back from and not the wheels coming off. I still have us as favourites.
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Got out bullied today. Simple as that really. Considering our reaction to previous losses this season I expect a fire in our asses on Saturday. We are a young team with a lot all to learn, yes it was poor today but it happens and we should be judged on how we react.
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His goal tally this season is heavily padded out by penalties.
I rate Kane highly, but he knows he faces no competition for his place in the team, and that mental factor alone can affect his performances on the pitch, and it has.
A quality striker signing this summer is a must.
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Odd selection really, the full back rotation has paid dividends for us this season but it was clear that on paper this type of game was more suited to Walker and Rose and their added physicality and aggression. And I absolutely love Chadli, but this wasn't the type of game where he was ever going to be at his best. And moving Lamela to the left was the compounding frustrating tactical decision from Poch
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I think "none deserved" as a popular choice is a bit unfair, due to commitment and work rate, easy to see toby and eriksen as contenders at least.
they've played a bunch of minutes in the last few weeks playing 2 games a week. add the bad weather and ref to the fatigue that was clear to see, 1-0 was not that bad and they we in it until the end -- running on fumes.
only the 4th loss of the season and we're in March, c'mon let's keep the faith and perspective a bit please
6's across the board, they did not play as bad as the result would reflect - could easily been a draw
flip of the coin between them and....... tails!!! Toby for MotM
he did well for 90 min even with getting that early yellow, hon mention to eriksen
they've played a bunch of minutes in the last few weeks playing 2 games a week. add the bad weather and ref to the fatigue that was clear to see, 1-0 was not that bad and they we in it until the end -- running on fumes.
only the 4th loss of the season and we're in March, c'mon let's keep the faith and perspective a bit please
6's across the board, they did not play as bad as the result would reflect - could easily been a draw
flip of the coin between them and....... tails!!! Toby for MotM
he did well for 90 min even with getting that early yellow, hon mention to eriksen
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Lloris (4) Poor for the goal, should be saving that near post, distribution was poor and expect better from him.
Trippier (4) Not much if any attacking threat, wasn't that great defensively either, was getting the run around.
Alderweireld (7) Decent showing, was our best player on the pitch, can't fault him for much but he looked shaky at times which is unusual for him.
Wimmer (5) Looked knackered and wasn't at his best.
Davies (3) Hate to be harsh but he was poor tonight, hardly anything going forward and poor defensively.
Dier (4) Really bad performance from Dier, expect much better from him, frankly he looked knackered and really didn't look comfortable in there and that's because we were overwhelmed in central midfield which brings me to my next rating.
Mason (2) Woeful is the best way I can describe Mason tonight, utterly woeful, this is why we miss Dembele, I hate to be harsh on him but I had fears that he would be rusty and the reason we have improved so much in my opinion is because him and Nabil have been out of the squad this season. Partly at fault for the goal, turning his head right before the corner was taken and straying from the near post and had literally no influence in midfield.
Lamela (6) Looked like he was struggling with the pitch, wasn't anywhere near his best but I couldn't fault his effort at least he tried to put a shift in.
Eriksen (5) Not a bad game but nowhere near his best, shyed away from far too many challenges but he had some influence in the game for a 10 min spell.
Chadli (1) Piss poor, just shambolic, not good enough, needs to have a word with himself after that, shit marking on the corner (which he gave away) and did nothing of any significance.
Kane (3) Not sure what is going on with Harry at the minute but whatever it is he needs to snap out of it. I don't know if that face mask is making it harder for him but I worry about his movement over recent weeks, he isn't really making decent runs, struggling to get on the end of things and frankly it's probably because he is utterly knackered at this point as we don't have a striker to cover for him...
Son (1) Poor, added nothing as a sub and had literally zero impact on the game.
Carroll (1) Same as above.
Alli (5) Had an impact, gave us better movement and was trying to make things happen, he still looked injured and everyone around him had already looked like they had given up when he came on.
Poch (5) Tactically outsmarted and had no real answer to it either tonight, really need to improve for Saturday or this could be a hard week.
I know I have come across as harsh here and frankly this team has impressed me so much this season, I am extremely proud of them but when we play like we did tonight it makes it all the more obvious when we aren't putting a shift In and whilst we improved second half the first half was simply unacceptable, by far the worst half of football we have played this season and at this stage you can't afford to not be turning up.
Improvement needed and fast, we haven't achieved anything yet and not even CL qualification is guaranteed and the players need reminding of that.
*Edit* Let me just add, the ref was shocking and I don't think it's any coincidence we were getting absolutely nothing and they were getting every single little pathetic decision.
Trippier (4) Not much if any attacking threat, wasn't that great defensively either, was getting the run around.
Alderweireld (7) Decent showing, was our best player on the pitch, can't fault him for much but he looked shaky at times which is unusual for him.
Wimmer (5) Looked knackered and wasn't at his best.
Davies (3) Hate to be harsh but he was poor tonight, hardly anything going forward and poor defensively.
Dier (4) Really bad performance from Dier, expect much better from him, frankly he looked knackered and really didn't look comfortable in there and that's because we were overwhelmed in central midfield which brings me to my next rating.
Mason (2) Woeful is the best way I can describe Mason tonight, utterly woeful, this is why we miss Dembele, I hate to be harsh on him but I had fears that he would be rusty and the reason we have improved so much in my opinion is because him and Nabil have been out of the squad this season. Partly at fault for the goal, turning his head right before the corner was taken and straying from the near post and had literally no influence in midfield.
Lamela (6) Looked like he was struggling with the pitch, wasn't anywhere near his best but I couldn't fault his effort at least he tried to put a shift in.
Eriksen (5) Not a bad game but nowhere near his best, shyed away from far too many challenges but he had some influence in the game for a 10 min spell.
Chadli (1) Piss poor, just shambolic, not good enough, needs to have a word with himself after that, shit marking on the corner (which he gave away) and did nothing of any significance.
Kane (3) Not sure what is going on with Harry at the minute but whatever it is he needs to snap out of it. I don't know if that face mask is making it harder for him but I worry about his movement over recent weeks, he isn't really making decent runs, struggling to get on the end of things and frankly it's probably because he is utterly knackered at this point as we don't have a striker to cover for him...
Son (1) Poor, added nothing as a sub and had literally zero impact on the game.
Carroll (1) Same as above.
Alli (5) Had an impact, gave us better movement and was trying to make things happen, he still looked injured and everyone around him had already looked like they had given up when he came on.
Poch (5) Tactically outsmarted and had no real answer to it either tonight, really need to improve for Saturday or this could be a hard week.
I know I have come across as harsh here and frankly this team has impressed me so much this season, I am extremely proud of them but when we play like we did tonight it makes it all the more obvious when we aren't putting a shift In and whilst we improved second half the first half was simply unacceptable, by far the worst half of football we have played this season and at this stage you can't afford to not be turning up.
Improvement needed and fast, we haven't achieved anything yet and not even CL qualification is guaranteed and the players need reminding of that.
*Edit* Let me just add, the ref was shocking and I don't think it's any coincidence we were getting absolutely nothing and they were getting every single little pathetic decision.
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Bang on BBLG. As I said in mine, there have been very few games this season where we can say it, but we were just worked over tactically tonight, especially in that first 45. It wasn't that we just didn't turn up, they just got there game right and stopped us playing better than anyone else has all season.
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I thought Dier was supposed to be that ? It's not like Mason isn't tenacious is it ?
Mason, 8 tackles, 2 interceptions tonight, by a long distance our best. Dier 1 tackle, 3 interceptions.
Lets not pretend Dembele would have enjoyed being outnumbered and pressed to buggery any more than Mason did.
We got done. Not Mason got done.
dannythomas
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Spot on about Lamela and Chadli. Ridiculous by Poch. I think you tend to underrate the importance to us of Dembele who consistently provides us the midfield muscle that nobody else does. I really hope he is fit for the weekend and that Alli starts too. Mason is much more easily brushed aside than Dembele .
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I think it was a bad idea. One game at a time. Play your best available now. Saturday against Arsenal is another day. I honestly believe that had Walker and Rose had started we would have won. Although Chadli was at fault, it was Davies's hesitancy that led to the corner in the first place. If were now to lose to the Arse, sparing Walker and Rose against West Ham would have been in vain.
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Generally agree but I'd be harsher and put Lloris and Dier down to Poor as well.
