Ratings vs West Ham

[danielneeds]

I think Chadli has found his role for us as an impact sub. He seems to affect games from the bench better than he does from the start.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I think Chadli has found his role for us as an impact sub. He seems to affect games from the bench better than he does from the start.

Had a massive effect at the start of last night.

 

[danielneeds]

Had a massive effect at the start of last night.

He made some mistakes sure, it happens. Back pass was the worst part. Antonio is a strong boy and used his weight well to shake him off at the corner. Mason was asleep infront of them and should have cleared it first.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

He made some mistakes sure, it happens. Back pass was the worst part. Antonio is a strong boy and used his weight well to shake him off at the corner. Mason was asleep infront of them and should have cleared it first.

Agree, back pass was the worse part, don't agree that Mason could do much about the goal though, regardless of what Alan Shearer says. That ball was nowhere near Mason's "zone".

 

[danielneeds]

Agree, back pass was the worse part, don't agree that Mason could do much about the goal though, regardless of what Alan Shearer says. That ball was nowhere near Mason's "zone".

Well both Chadli and Antonio strolled right in front of him, so not sure how you work that out.

 

[kaz Hirai]

Whoever prepped the pitch for the Spammers. Awful, awful surface nullified our attacking threat.

Im not using the pitch as an excuse at all as both teams have to play on it, west ham were simply better. whatever

But surely there should be a standard for pitches, it's the Premier League, one of the richest sporting leagues on earth. If a pitch isn't like a snooker table a club should be heavily fined, or the game changed to a different venue in my opinion. harsh but its time make things a little more standard, pitch size too should be one size for all.
Football at the top league revolves mostly on a passing game and requires a top surface

Imagine an NBA team rolling up and the laminated floor was all chipped and bumpy, it wouldn't stand

anyway just an observation I never understood

 

[danielneeds]

Im not using the pitch as an excuse at all as both teams have to play on it, west ham were simply better. whatever

But surely there should be a standard for pitches, it's the Premier League, one of the richest sporting leagues on earth. If a pitch isn't like a snooker table a club should be heavily fined, or the game changed to a different venue in my opinion. harsh but its time make things a little more standard, pitch size too should be one size for all.
Football at the top league revolves mostly on a passing game and requires a top surface

Imagine an NBA team rolling up and the laminated floor was all chipped and bumpy, it wouldn't stand

anyway just an observation I never understood

Would hard to enforce as climatic conditions can make a groundsman's job near impossible.

 

[Shadydan]

Im not using the pitch as an excuse at all as both teams have to play on it, west ham were simply better. whatever

But surely there should be a standard for pitches, it's the Premier League, one of the richest sporting leagues on earth. If a pitch isn't like a snooker table a club should be heavily fined, or the game changed to a different venue in my opinion. harsh but its time make things a little more standard, pitch size too should be one size for all.
Football at the top league revolves mostly on a passing game and requires a top surface

Imagine an NBA team rolling up and the laminated floor was all chipped and bumpy, it wouldn't stand

anyway just an observation I never understood

This is some embarrassing shit

 

[JonnySpurs]

This is some embarrassing shit

Not really. The OP has a point. Sure West Ham have to play on it too but when it's your home pitch you're used to it. WHL has always had one of the best pitches in the league which we are naturally used to so there's no doubt that this could have had an impact on our play last night.

We like to pass the ball and that is a damn sight harder to do when the pitch is cutting up and bobbly. You can't deny that.

As I said in my previous post, credit is clearly due to West Ham for getting their tactics right but conditions will always play a part.

Put it this way, we played poorly in the game but it's not like we didn't just become a bag of shit overnight, so there have to be other factors affecting our performance alongside West Ham just being decent.

 

[Shadydan]

Not really. The OP has a point. Sure West Ham have to play on it too but when it's your home pitch you're used to it. WHL has always had one of the best pitches in the league which we are naturally used to so there's no doubt that this could have had an impact on our play last night.

We like to pass the ball and that is a damn sight harder to do when the pitch is cutting up and bobbly. You can't deny that.

As I said in my previous post, credit is clearly due to West Ham for getting their tactics right but conditions will always play a part.

Put it this way, we played poorly in the game but it's not like we didn't just become a bag of shit overnight, so there have to be other factors affecting our performance alongside West Ham just being decent.

Could have but it's not as if we didn't know before the match kicked off, Poch even referenced it a couple of days ago

http://www.standard.co.uk/sport/foo...ct-tottenham-more-than-west-ham-a3192946.html

It's gamesmanship, nothing else.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Well both Chadli and Antonio strolled right in front of him, so not sure how you work that out.

I dunno, I just think Mason was marking zonal, therefore his job is to stay put, Chadli was marking Antonio and ran next to him, if Chadli couldn't get to the ball, how was Mason supposed to?

 

[danielneeds]

I dunno, I just think Mason was marking zonal, therefore his job is to stay put, Chadli was marking Antonio and ran next to him, if Chadli couldn't get to the ball, how was Mason supposed to?

He didn't need to get the ball. If he was aware of the run he just blocks Antonio off. If you can't win the header then make sure the opponent can't either. His zone was the near post he shouldn't have let someone get infront of him.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

He didn't need to get the ball. If he was aware of the run he just blocks Antonio off. If you can't win the header then make sure the opponent can't either. His zone was the near post he shouldn't have let someone get infront of him.

But the header gets made ahead of the near post. Why doesn't Chadli just block him off ?

I'm not being too harsh on Chadli either with regards to the header, but it's a ridiculous call to hold Mason responsible ahead of Chadli for Antonio getting a header in. Mason can't decide to leave his "zone" before the kick is taken, and he didn't have time to react, from when the ball was kicked very fast from the corner, and get in front of both Chadli and Antonio. I bet you hadn't even thought about blaming Mason until that prick Shearer decided to blame him.

We had the bases covered, when you are marking zonally you stay in that zone, we had the scorer marked too, but it was zipped in, Antonio had already started making his run, maybe anticipating a corner they have drilled in training, Chadli covers his run as he's supposed to do, but he gets out muscled or is just a reactionary split second too slow. It happens, it's always liable to happen because defenders are always having to react a split second behind the attackers.

I'm not overly pissed at Chadli for getting done on the header but Mason definitely isn't to blame either.

 

[kaz Hirai]

This is some embarrassing shit

Your mum is some embarrassing shit

Come at me Bro

 

[Shadydan]

Is that you licking your lips after you ate your pants?

 

[kaz Hirai]

Is that you licking your lips after you ate your pants?

After eating your mamas panties actually, an ass like butter milk

 

[danielneeds]

But the header gets made ahead of the near post. Why doesn't Chadli just block him off ?

I'm not being too harsh on Chadli either with regards to the header, but it's a ridiculous call to hold Mason responsible ahead of Chadli for Antonio getting a header in. Mason can't decide to leave his "zone" before the kick is taken, and he didn't have time to react, from when the ball was kicked very fast from the corner, and get in front of both Chadli and Antonio. I bet you hadn't even thought about blaming Mason until that prick Shearer decided to blame him.

We had the bases covered, when you are marking zonally you stay in that zone, we had the scorer marked too, but it was zipped in, Antonio had already started making his run, maybe anticipating a corner they have drilled in training, Chadli covers his run as he's supposed to do, but he gets out muscled or is just a reactionary split second too slow. It happens, it's always liable to happen because defenders are always having to react a split second behind the attackers.

I'm not overly pissed at Chadli for getting done on the header but Mason definitely isn't to blame either.

Really, if only we could all be independent free thinkers like you.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Really, if only we could all be independent free thinkers like you.

Be honest though, I bet you hadn't.

 

[walton]

I'm going to pre empt the wrist slitting with a suggestion that West Ham were actually very good, especially first half, and that this defeat was more about their very good performance than our bad performance. Yes, we were below par, but there is a reason why they've beaten every other big club in this league. This isn't France, there are hard games below the top four teams.

Err, didn't you get the memo? Reasoning is strictly forbidden on these boards. If I may quote Section 3a, sub-section 11 of the house rules:

'...humility of any kind will not be tolerated, especially when it comes to our opponents immediately prior to, or post, a match. The use of the words 'tin pot' and 'small time' is encouraged'.

 

[dudu]

I think Chadli has found his role for us as an impact sub. He seems to affect games from the bench better than he does from the start.

He definitely has come on and made an impact a number of times this season which has been important for us. In fact we have had a number of impactful performances from a few players.... Lamela, Ali, Son earlier in the season....

It's just a bit of a conundrum who to start.

haven't been overly impressed with Chadders or Erik the last few performances they have started. I definitely think Chadli is working harder than he was (more tackles than Lamela last night) but still perhaps not hard enough.... And I think Lamela is providing more offensive prowess than he has done previously albeit still not regularly/impactfully enough but something just nags me about them and leaves me underwhelmed and unsatisfied when they on from minute one,

Would like to see a front 4 of Kane, Alli, Eriksen and Son (or Lamela) on Satuday please.