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MOTM

  • Lloris

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Toby

    Votes: 1 0.3%
  • Sanchez

    Votes: 3 0.9%
  • Verts

    Votes: 74 21.4%
  • Aurier

    Votes: 6 1.7%
  • Dier

    Votes: 3 0.9%
  • Sissoko

    Votes: 10 2.9%
  • Davies

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Eriksen

    Votes: 55 15.9%
  • Dele

    Votes: 6 1.7%
  • Kane

    Votes: 183 52.9%
  • Winks

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Trippier

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Llorente

    Votes: 4 1.2%

  • Total voters
    346

ebzrascal

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Sep 13, 2009
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Left his man for the goal, over ran the ball and over hit it a few times. Did little positive with the ball.

Give the guy a break he did some good things today and is improving game by game.... even the best players get caught out with the movement of great box players like Hernandez
 

ghjk_91

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Jan 27, 2011
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Don't people understand what Alli is a about yet? He has always lost the ball a lot, because he's trying things in the final third. That's his role in the team.

His general play isn't always great, but he made the first goal: that's what wins games. After watching us struggle to break teams down on a fairly regular basis I think Alli is invaluable in making a breakthrough and I wouldn't drop him anytime soon.
 

Blake Griffin

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Oct 3, 2011
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Don't people understand what Alli is a about yet? He has always lost the ball a lot, because he's trying things in the final third. That's his role in the team.

His general play isn't great, but he made the first goal: that's what wins games. After watching us struggle to break teams down on a fairly regular basis I think Alli is invaluable in making a breakthrough and I wouldn't drop him anytime soon.

out of interest, what do you think alli brings to the team that son doesn't? in this system it seems to be the one or the other and usually, if not always, it's sonny that ends up on the bench.
 

doctor stefan Freud

the tired tread of sad biology
Sep 2, 2013
15,170
72,170
out of interest, what do you think alli brings to the team that son doesn't? in this system it seems to be the one or the other and usually(if not always) it's sonny that ends up on the bench.
He should have come on second half today; his pace and directness would have exploited gaps and kept them on edge
 

Everlasting Seconds

Well-Known Member
Jan 9, 2014
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Don't people understand what Alli is a about yet? He has always lost the ball a lot, because he's trying things in the final third. That's his role in the team.

His general play isn't always great, but he made the first goal: that's what wins games. After watching us struggle to break teams down on a fairly regular basis I think Alli is invaluable in making a breakthrough and I wouldn't drop him anytime soon.
He has redeeming qualities, but some of his errors today I don't think is of the kind that a top 4 team should simply accept in the name of trying. There is trying, and there is simply failing. And he is consistently doing a mix of both.
 

ghjk_91

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Jan 27, 2011
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out of interest, what do you think alli brings to the team that son doesn't? in this system it seems to be the one or the other and usually, if not always, it's sonny that ends up on the bench.
I just think Alli has that extra spark of creativity and killer instinct in the final third. I really like Son, he's got good pace and energy and obviously an effective finisher.

Against teams that will sit back I think Alli is more useful from the start. Son is a good impact sub.

I definitely would have put Son on for Dele after the red.
 

elDiablo

SC Supporter
Feb 2, 2005
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Aurier was stupid. I don't care whether he played well, he seems to have no brains. Why the fcuk would u risk a red by tackling a player 70meters away from goal. Couldve cost us the match.

Verts, eriksen and Kane played well.

Sissoko didnt do too badly.

Winksy came on and played well.

Crazy decision by Poch to take out Eriksen instead of Alli, who was atrocious and also not necessary when down to 10 men.
In was baffled by the eriksen sub but I guess poch wanted the more physical player to stay and try to win some free kicks further up the pitch
 

St José Dominguez

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Jul 15, 2014
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out of interest, what do you think alli brings to the team that son doesn't? in this system it seems to be the one or the other and usually, if not always, it's sonny that ends up on the bench.

I don't think there's anything between them. Dele has the higher potential though in my opinion and is 4 years younger. Poch does seem to prefer starting Dele but that does mean we have a fantastic impact sub in Son, who as an impact sub is better than Dele.

There's a lot of home games where I'd be starting them both though with Wanyama and an advanced central midfield Eriksen behind them.
 

ljinko888

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May 17, 2016
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He should have come on second half today; his pace and directness would have exploited gaps and kept them on edge

Yes I think those numerous opportunities to counter attack in the second half would have come to something had it been Son leading the charge, not Alli. Alli is superb at getting on the end of things and the two certainly could have played together. I'm just bemused why Poch rarely ever subs Alli off for tactical reasons as much as when he's having a stinker.
 

SoulDog

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Jan 31, 2005
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How the hell did Ali stay on the pitch? If he is was a better player he would of scored today I think I can remember at least three chances but he run into trouble or his touch let him down yes he set up Kane but he was poor most of the match and didn't look up it.dunno how he stayed on all game God he frustrates me so much he does some really good stuff but alot of stupid shit as well
 

Cravenspurs

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Jul 31, 2011
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I don't understand all the hate on Alli...doing what he has done for three years now. Has never been a magnet when it comes to carrying the ball. If had scored at least troubled the keeper on his semi-chances people would have been alright with it. He set up two goals with brilliant runs. What other player does that sans Son? For me we should have put Son in for Sissoko and asked Alli to drop a bit deeper like he did when he first started here. I like him when he can see the pitch in front of him versus the defender on his back.

Kane - MOTM

Eriksen and Verts - MOTM on any other day

Sanchez, Toby, Davies - Solid rocks

Aurier - Solid with great body balance but still needs to settle in. Couple errant left footed passes to succeed possession early on.

Dele - as much as people hate him he seems to always be involved in our goals...which you can't teach

Sissoko - couple heavy touches and really think Winks should be ahead of him. He is strong and that again is about it for me. He didn't amaze or do anything wrong, but I wouldn't have him ahead of Winks.

Dier - Didn't hold onto the ball forever and was more of a middle man in a deal gone right. When Dembele is out and Wanyama is out he is the obvious choice, but when Wanyama is back I would hate to see Dier getting in the side undies it is to give one of the back 3 a rest.

Lloris - did what he could. Nice tip with his fingertips on that last cross.

Winks - thank god my adopted son is healthy again. Needs to supplant Sissoko IMO.

Llorente - chest and strength we need. Slow as all hell, but good change at end of games.

Trippier - shored it up alright. Would rather KWP at this point honestly.
 
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ghjk_91

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Jan 27, 2011
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He has redeeming qualities, but some of his errors today I don't think is of the kind that a top 4 team should simply accept in the name of trying. There is trying, and there is simply failing. And he is consistently doing a mix of both.
I get what you're saying - I just think Alli affects the game more often than not when it matters. His goals and assist stats are insane for such a young player in the premier league.
 

walton

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Feb 28, 2006
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Some thoughts:

Lulz at those proclaiming Aurier to be a marked increase on Walker. Today he chanelled Walker at his worst at times; no discipline and relying on pace to get him out of a number of scrapes. Then some lunatic challenges to get sent off.

Alli had no touch whatsoever, aside from his assist. However, he remains head and shoulders above most in terms of his movement - something that'll likely be overlooked by most...

Llorente was brilliant in his brief cameo, such a clever old pro. Held the ball up, got in their faces and helped to nullify their last push for a draw. Like it.
 

Everlasting Seconds

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Jan 9, 2014
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I get what you're saying - I just think Alli affects the game more often than not when it matters. His goals and assist stats are insane for such a young player in the premier league.
Beyond doubt. He directly influences the end result of match after match. But I think especially his last 30 minutes were rather wasteful, and it begs the question whether it would have been correct to sub him, even if I fully agree with the decision to start him today.
 

ghjk_91

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Jan 27, 2011
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Beyond doubt. He directly influences the end result of match after match. But I think especially his last 30 minutes were rather wasteful, and it begs the question whether it would have been correct to sub him, even if I fully agree with the decision to start him today.
Yeah I agree, Son for Alli would've been a good sub. Especially after the red card.
 

jonathanhotspur

Loose Cannon
Jun 28, 2009
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Don't people understand what Alli is a about yet? He has always lost the ball a lot, because he's trying things in the final third. That's his role in the team.

His general play isn't always great, but he made the first goal: that's what wins games. After watching us struggle to break teams down on a fairly regular basis I think Alli is invaluable in making a breakthrough and I wouldn't drop him anytime soon.
I think we need someone who can offer more between the lines than Alli does. He spends most of his time playing like a 9.
 

The Apprentice

Charles Big Potatoes
Mar 10, 2005
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No Eriksen, no win. MOTM again.

His incisiveness and clever brain led to all three of the goals. He is reaching elite level of player now.

We definitely deserved the win but ended up hanging on for dear life due to a mixture of poor decisions (Aurier) farting away of numerous good openings with poor touches (Alli mainly) and Poch's standard strange substitutions.

I wasn't overly bowled over by the thought of Barkley in the summer but watching how we're set up, he could be a serious option instead of Sissoko in the 8 role.

Always fun to beat the Whammers.
 

yankspurs

Enic Out
Aug 22, 2013
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Lloris - 6
Toby - 6
Sanchez - 6
Vertonghen - 8
Aurier - 4
Dier - 6
Sissoko - 5
Davies - 6
Dele - 7
Eriksen - 7
Kane - 9

Winks - 7
Trippier - 6
Llorente - Really, NET. But he was crucial seeing that game out so 7

Poch - Not sure why he is constantly giving starts to Sissoko now and I am not sure why Eriksen was taken off instead of him for Winks but whatever, we won. However, he need to figure out how to fix our poor starts to games and he needs to work his magic on Aurier like he did to Walker.
 
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