Robbie Keane Interview 29th May

[TheBigMatch]

WTF's so funny about KEane being valued at 20mil? And someone saying him being inconsistent? FFS, he scored 20+ goals per season for the last 2 seasons! And he was the top scorer for 2007! Plus, he's only 28! Tell me, why shouldnt he be valued at 20mil? Who should then?? Come on then, name me a player who should be valued at 20mil?

A player out-scores Ronaldo and every body else in the 2007,
A player named Captain by 2 Spurs managers,
A player named Captain by 2 Ireland managers,
A player wanted by the most successful club in English football,
A player at the peak age for a top class footballer,
A player who has maintained top class goal scoring stats (especially goals per minute played) for the past 5 years,
A player who did the right thing and signed a longterm contract with Spurs effectively giving Spurs the power in where he plays the rest of his career,
A player who has stated that he is happy to stay with Spurs for as long as he is wanted,

yet some in Spurscommunity still believe that Keane is a waste of space. :shrug:

If Ramos wants Keane in his team then Keane will remain at Spurs and continue to score 20 goals per season for Spurs.

If Ramos wants to start with a clean slate then Keane will be sold to Liverpool and probably go on to score against Spurs at White Hart Lane and walk back to the opposition half with an embarrassed look on his face.

 

[SpurSince57]

All we know for sure (and that's pushing it a bit) is that some kind of approach was made by Liverpool to Keane or the club several weeks ago, before he got married. The assumption has to be that he was tapped up. Keane told DL that he would like to play for Liverpool, but was happy to stay at Spurs. That's about it. He has not asked for a transfer. There has been no suggestion whatsoever that he has been anything but absolutely straight with the club.

And if the club is in for Arshavin and possibly Villa, it's quite easy to imagine that he'd no longer feel happy and wanted.

 

[TheBigMatch]

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And if the club is in for Arshavin and possibly Villa, it's quite easy to imagine that he'd no longer feel happy and wanted.

I would be worried about Arshavin. A player that does not appear on anybody's radar until he's 27 year old and has 2 or 3 good international games over 2 weeks and suddenly he's going to take the Premier League and the UEFA Cup by storm. If he was really any good he would have hit the headlines before now. Sounds like a player that would make us forget about the wasted Rebrov money,... but all for the wrong reasons.

 

[soup]

All we know for sure (and that's pushing it a bit) is that some kind of approach was made by Liverpool to Keane or the club several weeks ago, before he got married. The assumption has to be that he was tapped up. Keane told DL that he would like to play for Liverpool, but was happy to stay at Spurs. That's about it. He has not asked for a transfer. There has been no suggestion whatsoever that he has been anything but absolutely straight with the club.

And if the club is in for Arshavin and possibly Villa, it's quite easy to imagine that he'd no longer feel happy and wanted.

And if he feels unhappy and wants to leave it's quite easy to imagine we're looking at Arshavin and possibly Villa as replacements. :shrug:

 

[SpurSince57]

There have been rumours about Villa circulating for yonks. We were linked to Arshavin (if admittedly only by the NOTW) a week after our last game. We've also had suggestions from various ITKs that Ramos privately thinks we can do better—although again, that's only rumour. We've also had ITK—from a couple of very good sources—that Keane is going nowhere, or at least was going nowhere as of a couple of weeks ago. The situation may have changed. At any rate, changes to the strike force were absolutely bottom of the list of priorities.

What I'm really saying, though, is that many people are jumping to conclusions based on next to no facts at all (or even no facts at all—what I posted was a plausible consensus of ITK). And it's totally infantile to compare Keane to Scumbell.

 

[Legend10]

Sorry, but how else can you respond to something to something so demonstrably ludicrous? I could go rational, and point out that Defoe put in just 10 tackles last season, with a success rate of 40%, and that Keane managed 23, with a success rate of 73.9%, but then I'd be told that 'stats don't mean anything'.

So forgive me if I decide, from time to time, that a picture is worth a thousand words.

It is blatantly obvious to me as it is to others who have some reasonable if limited knowledge about football either through playing at decent levels or through years of watching the game. That you yourself who sees himself as some sort of almighty knowledgeable figure knows absolutely sweet fuck all about the beautiful game.

Football as a game even in its most basic form is a game that goes straight over the top of your self obsessed head.

As others have saisd before, you look up your little stats pages and scan the internet day and night and then try and pass it off as some sort of knowledge. Unfortunately this style is so blatantly obvious its ridiculous, you can't have a football debate without reverting to stats as you don't have any sort of valid self opinion and therefore the stats must tell you all. But unfortunately for you they don't, hell you don't even watch that much of Spurs, as I understand only what you can see for free on the TV. That in itself means that your position of knowledge is shot to pieces and you have even gone as low as to describe players performances and praise or chastise them based upon the radio commentary that you have listened to, that my friend is what I would call both fucking hilarious and extremely stupid.

Football in itself is a very simple game and one that rightly divides opinion, however most people are knowledgeable enough to base their opinions on what that see and not on what they can surf.

It's also obvious that your personal football experience is limited to sweeping council pitch dressing rooms, this is after you had researched on the internet on how a broom should be used in the correct way and statistically how many pieces of mud various broom types sweep in 1 movement.

Oh and by the way as was probably extremely obvious to everybody, the statement that Keane makes Defoe look like gladiator was intentional exaggerated sarcasm, or couldn't your internet tell you that?

 

[thfcsteff]

<<lol: Yowzer, you probably don't have the first clue about what you're talking about with regards to my emotional state of being but thank you anyway

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Of course I don't Stoof. That's why I said you came across in such a way. Forgot to qualify that with IMO.


<<And then you take a deep breath, and in fact realise that the complexities of human emotion and the varying responses from various sectors of society are indeed an interesting side-show in all this, and I was pointing out just that.>>


If that is the case, I apologize. If, however, you are having a little fib to yourself and you were, in fact, passing some sort of value judgement on those who have had a vitriolic and most likely irrational response to the Keane situation, then it's between you and you right?

<<That you've read in some sort of 'Professor' like role does more to suggest what your complexes are than anything else.>>

LoL...if only you knew mate :grin:


<<But, in another life I would have taken the Psychology route because I truly do find it fascinating. As for getting so worked up at someone pointing towards a hypothesis that people have different levels of emotional maturity and will therefore respond differently, well, doesn't it take some sort of biscuit? :wink:>>

Again, if that's all you were doing, then indeed, it has taken a rather large biscuit, certainly bigger than this mug could handle!!!! And it tells you as much about me as anything...

<<I'm not calling you a kid because you've over developed your anger and missed out on empathy,>>

...and there I was, feeling that we were having a fun, reasonable exchange and you HAVE to go and bring the word 'empathy' up.
How, pray tell, and why, please explain, should I (or would I) feel empathy for Robbie Keane in this situation?
Empathy is something you feel for family members who are going through cancer trials, or parents who's children are sick, or people who's bosses are driving them to the brink (this is not in any way autobiographical I might add )...

In my world (and it is my world, not yours I'm talking about) swearing yourself up and down as Mr Tottenham, talking your way into the fabric of the club and needlessly saying in early summer that you would like to finish your career out at the club providing you're 'happy' before switching your colors in a one week span does not evoke an empathetic response from me.
Are you suggesting that because like the majority of Irish kids he liked Liverpool as a boy (and it was always Liverpool, Man U or Celtic for Irish lads) that I should recognize that he has a chance to 'fulfil a dream'? Sorry, I don't. Can't find an ounce of empathy for his situation, because I don't think he ever watched Liverpool at Anfield as a lad, I don't believe he played in their shirt in the streets as a lad, in fact I don't think he was that big a Liverpool supporter! Because if he had been, he'd never have tethered himself to Spurs so much. That's if you wnt me to try and 'empathize' with his decision.

<<it's not an insult!! But then the word 'maturity' is like moth to light is it? He sed I was imachurr!>>

Any answer to this most glib of comments will file me into some sort of category, so I'll just say that I embrace and enjoy vast bouts of immaturity when it comes to being a Spurs supporter (helps keep me, and it, sane), that if I applied human logic to following Spurs I'd have jacked it in a decade or so ago, and that yes, questioning someone's ability to empathize can, indeed, be like a 'moth to light'...especially if that person feels empathy has nothing to do with Robbie Keane doing an about-face and shitting on everything he's said in the last 12 months about Spurs...

I'll say it again.
In my personal opinion, the man has shown himself to be a fucking wanker for shifting his gears and suddenly wanting to go to Liverpool.
If that, in your eyes, makes me unempathetic to his plight as a human being, then there are worse things I could be called for sure (perhaps you'll try LOL :wink...

 

[TheBigMatch]

...Football in itself is a very simple game and one that rightly divides opinion, however most people are knowledgeable enough to base their opinions on what that see and not on what they can surf.
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Football starts off as very simple game but by the time you get to the Premier League it is far removed from a simple game.

We can all watch a game and see a side like Spurs dominate the game and be subjectively happy about what we see until the objective reality of the game tells us that stats do really matter especially in the form of a 1-0 defeat.

We can all form an opinion on what we see. However it may or may not be an informed opinion. Very few of us amateur football fans have such a heightened one-ness with football that we can afford to deny the relevance of stats. Some of us think we can but usually those of us are ill informed.

The debate over Defoe and Keane was pretty much settled by Jol's and Ramos's choice of Keane. Statistically there was nothing between the players in terms of their primary function of scoring goals, but Jol and Ramos called it as they say it.

Ironically Ramos may have decided that Keane is no longer central to his plans. He hasn't come out and said it straight that Keane is contracted to Spurs for the rest of his career and isn't going anywhere.

Hopefully the simple stats at the end of the year show a picture of Spurs in 5th or better place with the UEFA Cup in hand. How we get there will be far from simple.

 

[Legend10]

Football starts off as very simple game but by the time you get to the Premier League it is far removed from a simple game.

We can all watch a game and see a side like Spurs dominate the game and be subjectively happy about what we see until the objective reality of the game tells us that stats do really matter especially in the form of a 1-0 defeat.

We can all form an opinion on what we see. However it may or may not be an informed opinion. Very few of us amateur football fans have such a heightened one-ness with football that we can afford to deny the relevance of stats. Some of us think we can but usually those of us are ill informed.

The debate over Defoe and Keane was pretty much settled by Jol's and Ramos's choice of Keane. Statistically there was nothing between the players in terms of their primary function of scoring goals, but Jol and Ramos called it as they say it.

Ironically Ramos may have decided that Keane is no longer central to his plans. He hasn't come out and said it straight that Keane is contracted to Spurs for the rest of his career and isn't going anywhere.

Hopefully the simple stats at the end of the year show a picture of Spurs in 5th or better place with the UEFA Cup in hand. How we get there will be far from simple.

I both agree and disagree with you.

The business and complexities of premiership football are no doubt far from simple.

But the game itself remains simple, wasn't it Arthur Rowe who filled his great push and rush team with the simple ethos of "make it simple, make it accurate, make it quick," an ethos that still applies to great teams today. And wasn't it Clough who said something along the lines of football being a simple game which is only complicated by players?

What emerges over the 90 minutes of a game does remain simple and certainly simple enough for most people to form a fair opinion on what they have witnessed. Which players they believe played well, which players they didn't etc etc. This is far from complex and is probably what makes football so popular. It is simple, it is basic and everybody is entitled to opinion and opinion divides leading to great debates and arguments.

It is far from correct to go and watch a game at White Hart Lane, walk round to the Bill nick afterwards for a pint and a chat and to then avoid talking about the game or to give an opinion because you don't have all the games statistics to hand to comment. For example Spurs play a side at home and dominate possesion, therefore the opponents midfiled players and defenders are likely to have made more tackles than ours and ours more passes than theirs, so how do you measure individual statistics against this and how do you use it to measure individual performance? Impossible, of course there is a place for statistics and analysis of them, it would be daft to deny there wasn't, but they can only be used in conjunction with the most important aspect, which is opinion on what you have witnessed.

I love the game of football and will debate it long and hard with anybody that wants to indulge, however i have no time whatsoever to debate the beautiful game with internet surfers who roll out statistics as proof of everything when they so clearly aren't because as simple as the game of football is it is far to complicated for some. And this is what i was saying to a certain individual who tries to pass himself of as all knowing and all knowledgeable because he can press a few buttons on his computer.

 

[ballingarry]

fuck him who cares let him off, hel play every second game with liverpool anyway!!