riggi
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I've noticed some slight leaning towards Liverpool on more than one occasion from you. What with you being irish....the brotherhood has their eye on you.
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I've noticed some slight leaning towards Liverpool on more than one occasion from you. What with you being irish....the brotherhood has their eye on you.
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Good move. It's the Norwegians you really need to keep an eye on though.I've noticed some slight leaning towards Liverpool on more than one occasion from you. What with you being irish....the brotherhood has their eye on you.
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The cult like warblings are going to be on a mega-nuclear scale if Klopp arrives at Liverpool. No doubt the writer of the book of the golden sky will be in his element. Jamie Carragher will be so happy he'll accept Terry Henry's marriage proposal. Thommo will get an erection the size of his nose. Jamie Redknapp will smash Richard Keys.
And they'll be selling replica hippy beards on Merseyside.
This is going to be nauseating.
And dare I say it...it might well cause the apocalypse.
P.S. I don't mind Klopp but...
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And they'll be selling replica hippy beards on Merseyside.
This is going to be nauseating.
And dare I say it...it might well cause the apocalypse.
P.S. I don't mind Klopp but...
Full Klopp Wanker
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But that's a debate for another thread.....
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They will be fully expecting to win the prem within a season and follow it up with CL wins and league/cup doubles galore season after season.
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As you may recall, Rodgers has already brought beautiful football to the benighted citizens of Sunderland. Having led his Swansea team to the Stadium of Light, Rodgers said after the game:
“It is great for the public here at Sunderland to see us. They must have been wondering what this team everyone is talking about are all about and now they have seen. We were wonderful."
Swansea actually lost the game 2-0.
etchedchaos
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So how long until a scouse to win the title article appears after Klopp signs? I'm going with 5 mins, half the journos and pundits probably have their Klopp to lead the scouse to the promised land articles and spiel already sorted.
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That may be, especially in terms of consistency, but I fear the timing of this for us (not just because it could be Klopp), could have done without a motivated Liverpool turning up at WHL.
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It is fair to say their squad isnt the best. But with money they could quickly change that.
Three players would walk into our side, Benteke, and Coutinho and Sturridge who are miles ahead of what we currently have. The problem for Rodgers is these players have been injured.
The back four is where they need to work, as long as they keep playing Sakho, they'll be behind us, thats for sure.
Clyne is a good player and I rate Henderson. We dont have a clue about Firminho.
Right now, I would take our squad over theirs but they just need to spend a bit to be better than us, especially with a top coach.
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Whilst they have said explicitly that they believe a coach should be able to get more out of the current crop of players, I sincerely doubt any club hires a manager with Klopp's stock (as it currently is) and gives him little budget. They will back their man, the question is, as early as January? I expect Liverpool to spend relatively big again.
But it's like the scouse boom-bust cycle red cafe made. The one thing that Liverpool will NEVER do, CAN never do, is live up to the ridiculous hype and expectations they always set themselves.
Klopp will literally be turning them into European giants gain, rather than the reality that he will, if he doesn't flop, merely make them less of a complete basket-case and a bit more of a nuisance to the top 4 than they have been...
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So Klopp is a very good manager. But he won't be able to replicate his success at Dortmund.
The juggernaut he built up spawned from pure shite back in 2008. And the only thing BVB had going for it were some promising youth players in Sahin, Kehl and Schmeltzer, an aging Dede, and what would turn out to be a very good GK in Roman W. And that wasn't very apparent at the time. That team was built around Kuba. Kuba! You don't build a team around him.
But Klopp comes in and has just spent a year in the second division with Mainz. And guess who's sitting there waiting to be discovered? Neven Fucking Subotic. And there's a story of pure chance that is absolutely unbelievable, because his father had escaped Yugoslavia just as communism falls and right before the Balkans go apeshit. And when his work permit expires in Germany, they go to the American hot bed of football that is Salt Lake City because Salt Lake City lacks one important quality that makes it better than home: ethnic cleansing. But effectively Neven is probably bound for fuck all. No matter how much talent was there, it wasn't going to get discovered in Salt Lake. But it just so happens that his sister is a good tennis player and she gets invited to the Bollettieri Academy (a name you've heard of when it comes to a myriad of tennis players - none of which are a Subotic). So the family moves with her because Florida lacks one important quality that makes it better than SLC: it's not fucking Salt Lake Utah. And it just so happens that the USMNT Unders also train in Bradenton Florida. And one of the US coaches spot him playing for the saddest little club side you can imagine and invites him to train, thinking he has stumbled upon the player that will redefine American football (that was a bitter pill for the USMNT when he decided to play for Serbia). He then goes with the U17 team on a tour of the Netherlands and ends up getting a chance with Mainz, because they are the only people willing to even give a chance to a 17 year old with no professional training who is kind of an American because Mainz is very familiar with Americans due it being in that Southwest corner of Germany that houses one of the highest populations of Americans per capita outside of the US, that I know, because it is knee deep in military bases that were set up because Germany was a big fan of running right through that area whenever they wanted a piece of France. And who just happens to be the manager there to see his full potential and put him in against Bayern Munich in a meaningless match as the side was being relegated in 2007.....when he's an 18 year old kid, three years out of playing for a team called the Manatee Magic....cementing the kids devotion forever?
That's a good story, innit?
Klopp gets to build that devotion with another epic defender around a year later because Bayern has loaned Zorc a kid named Mats Hummels. And here's where the story just gets fucking fun. Because Hummels is well regarded in the Bayern system and is brought in at the end of the 2007 season to play for the Munich giants in a match against an already relegated Mainz (same match mentioned above).....ain't that something. But Bayern have Lucio and DeMechelis, who were a very good pairing, and sent him out to get experience at Dortmund for 18 months. And in rolls Klopp and immediately realizes he has stumbled upon the best back pairing in a long time and he plays two teenagers in the league at centerback to great effect. And Hummels loves him for it. But Hummels gets injured and Bayern decides that they will let the gimp go because they have Breno. Imagine that.
But remember when Klopp was down in the second division? He got a good look at a few important players: Sven Bender and Kevin Grosskreutz. I think there was a third player that would be important but can't remember. So he's scouting players in the best circumstances and assessing their ability to play in a system he wants. At Dortmund he wants a young side so he can mold them without having to deal with the headaches that so many new managers find. Nobody typically gets to do this, but Zorc buys into the philosophy and allows Klopp to dispense with all the known players and put it all on kids. He brings back Sahin from Feeyenoord and let's him bring up Schmeltzer. He buys those kids from Zweite and with less than 10 million he has a double six of Sahin/Bender sitting in front of Hummels/Subotic and if that seems like something that you would only see on FM.......it's because it really seems unbelievable that anybody could get those four teenagers for next to nothing and build a side on them. And he built from the back because he had this collection of talent.....he wouldn't start recruiting attackers until he got an extension to his contract, and from there he would build a team that would win the Bundesliga twice against the financial might of Bayern Munich (and nearly the UCL). But they built from the back (which is promising for us) and that backline never left him.
So market advantage in recruiting (that he no longer has) along with a couple of academy kids that were really good paired with a management that was willing to take a massive gamble and clear out its roster for kids who would do the bidding of an inspiration based manager (granted tactically he's not bad either) and willing to accept two years of promising play that resulted in decent final places in the table but not great at 6th and 5th out of 18.
Does that seem like something that can happen at a club of Liverpool's size?
I doubt it. They will be good, but they won't be much more than they are now....a threat to us but not to City/Chelsea/United. And that won't be acceptable.
The juggernaut he built up spawned from pure shite back in 2008. And the only thing BVB had going for it were some promising youth players in Sahin, Kehl and Schmeltzer, an aging Dede, and what would turn out to be a very good GK in Roman W. And that wasn't very apparent at the time. That team was built around Kuba. Kuba! You don't build a team around him.
But Klopp comes in and has just spent a year in the second division with Mainz. And guess who's sitting there waiting to be discovered? Neven Fucking Subotic. And there's a story of pure chance that is absolutely unbelievable, because his father had escaped Yugoslavia just as communism falls and right before the Balkans go apeshit. And when his work permit expires in Germany, they go to the American hot bed of football that is Salt Lake City because Salt Lake City lacks one important quality that makes it better than home: ethnic cleansing. But effectively Neven is probably bound for fuck all. No matter how much talent was there, it wasn't going to get discovered in Salt Lake. But it just so happens that his sister is a good tennis player and she gets invited to the Bollettieri Academy (a name you've heard of when it comes to a myriad of tennis players - none of which are a Subotic). So the family moves with her because Florida lacks one important quality that makes it better than SLC: it's not fucking Salt Lake Utah. And it just so happens that the USMNT Unders also train in Bradenton Florida. And one of the US coaches spot him playing for the saddest little club side you can imagine and invites him to train, thinking he has stumbled upon the player that will redefine American football (that was a bitter pill for the USMNT when he decided to play for Serbia). He then goes with the U17 team on a tour of the Netherlands and ends up getting a chance with Mainz, because they are the only people willing to even give a chance to a 17 year old with no professional training who is kind of an American because Mainz is very familiar with Americans due it being in that Southwest corner of Germany that houses one of the highest populations of Americans per capita outside of the US, that I know, because it is knee deep in military bases that were set up because Germany was a big fan of running right through that area whenever they wanted a piece of France. And who just happens to be the manager there to see his full potential and put him in against Bayern Munich in a meaningless match as the side was being relegated in 2007.....when he's an 18 year old kid, three years out of playing for a team called the Manatee Magic....cementing the kids devotion forever?
That's a good story, innit?
Klopp gets to build that devotion with another epic defender around a year later because Bayern has loaned Zorc a kid named Mats Hummels. And here's where the story just gets fucking fun. Because Hummels is well regarded in the Bayern system and is brought in at the end of the 2007 season to play for the Munich giants in a match against an already relegated Mainz (same match mentioned above).....ain't that something. But Bayern have Lucio and DeMechelis, who were a very good pairing, and sent him out to get experience at Dortmund for 18 months. And in rolls Klopp and immediately realizes he has stumbled upon the best back pairing in a long time and he plays two teenagers in the league at centerback to great effect. And Hummels loves him for it. But Hummels gets injured and Bayern decides that they will let the gimp go because they have Breno. Imagine that.
But remember when Klopp was down in the second division? He got a good look at a few important players: Sven Bender and Kevin Grosskreutz. I think there was a third player that would be important but can't remember. So he's scouting players in the best circumstances and assessing their ability to play in a system he wants. At Dortmund he wants a young side so he can mold them without having to deal with the headaches that so many new managers find. Nobody typically gets to do this, but Zorc buys into the philosophy and allows Klopp to dispense with all the known players and put it all on kids. He brings back Sahin from Feeyenoord and let's him bring up Schmeltzer. He buys those kids from Zweite and with less than 10 million he has a double six of Sahin/Bender sitting in front of Hummels/Subotic and if that seems like something that you would only see on FM.......it's because it really seems unbelievable that anybody could get those four teenagers for next to nothing and build a side on them. And he built from the back because he had this collection of talent.....he wouldn't start recruiting attackers until he got an extension to his contract, and from there he would build a team that would win the Bundesliga twice against the financial might of Bayern Munich (and nearly the UCL). But they built from the back (which is promising for us) and that backline never left him.
So market advantage in recruiting (that he no longer has) along with a couple of academy kids that were really good paired with a management that was willing to take a massive gamble and clear out its roster for kids who would do the bidding of an inspiration based manager (granted tactically he's not bad either) and willing to accept two years of promising play that resulted in decent final places in the table but not great at 6th and 5th out of 18.
Does that seem like something that can happen at a club of Liverpool's size?
I doubt it. They will be good, but they won't be much more than they are now....a threat to us but not to City/Chelsea/United. And that won't be acceptable.
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How long will it take him to assess the squad? How many will he deem not viable? How many will he need to buy? How many windows will it take? How many will they buy at a time.
Surely Spurs fans of all, should know that if there's no system in place, you're just in store for another three seasons of transition.
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2 months ago Bayern were saying how they wanted to start negotiations with klopp for that gig.
Its a big step down and risk
Klopp is in a different league to our managers. Not just in the respect of achievements, in terms of his reputation.
Having Klopp almost gives the pick of german players that Bayern don't want and not to mention that he has the edge of offering these guys higher wages than that of the bundesliga bar Bayern
In terms of his philosophy, I actually think he has got the players there to play his style of play, they aren't as good as Dortmund's players but the dortmund players weren't great when he took over and they did become great.
There is one major issue with his squad that will need addressing but he has a lot of options
ST: Benteke, Sturridge, Ings and Origi
LW: Firmino, Lallana and Coutinho
RW: Ibe, Ings and Sturridge
AM: Lallana and Coutinho
CM: Milner, Henderson, Allen
DM: Can and Lucas
He has good midfield and striking option probably need a better sideman for the right but it is decent. This is where I think it will go wrong, his defence at Dortmund imo was poor. He is about to inherit a much poorer one
LB: Moreno and Enrique(if anyone can find him)
RB: Gomez, Clyne and Manquillo
CB: Skrtel, Sakho, Lovren and Toure
As for how many windows will it take, potentially he can fix that defence in one by signing 2CB's but knowing liverpool it probably take a lot longer
Its a big step down and risk
The difference is that our managers have tended to be young managers who had one or two good season bar Harry(who was a panic buy or appointment)
Klopp is in a different league to our managers. Not just in the respect of achievements, in terms of his reputation.
Having Klopp almost gives the pick of german players that Bayern don't want and not to mention that he has the edge of offering these guys higher wages than that of the bundesliga bar Bayern
In terms of his philosophy, I actually think he has got the players there to play his style of play, they aren't as good as Dortmund's players but the dortmund players weren't great when he took over and they did become great.
There is one major issue with his squad that will need addressing but he has a lot of options
ST: Benteke, Sturridge, Ings and Origi
LW: Firmino, Lallana and Coutinho
RW: Ibe, Ings and Sturridge
AM: Lallana and Coutinho
CM: Milner, Henderson, Allen
DM: Can and Lucas
He has good midfield and striking option probably need a better sideman for the right but it is decent. This is where I think it will go wrong, his defence at Dortmund imo was poor. He is about to inherit a much poorer one
LB: Moreno and Enrique(if anyone can find him)
RB: Gomez, Clyne and Manquillo
CB: Skrtel, Sakho, Lovren and Toure
As for how many windows will it take, potentially he can fix that defence in one by signing 2CB's but knowing liverpool it probably take a lot longer
