SC's Tactical Autopsy thread
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only1waddle
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couldnt think of another place to put this but its an interesting piece, especially the Bielsa bits.
https://jamieadams3.wordpress.com/2...n-football-why-the-english-game-must-keep-up/
https://jamieadams3.wordpress.com/2...n-football-why-the-english-game-must-keep-up/
sebcole
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Kind of like what Van Gaal is doing the last few games, sitting back in organised fashion, letting the opposing team try to break out, and rely on good concentration and individual player ability which they have, to get the ball back and only mount a serious attack when the opposition is out of shape. Absorb, retain energy, and then pounce. Using the oppositions strengths against them.
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@Bus-Conductor , what do you think of this stat?:
Talking THFC @TalkingTHFC 2h2 hours ago
Christian Eriksen has made the fifth most chances (67) in the entire @premierleague this season. #THFC
Like you, I don't think Eriksen has been playing as well as he can and he is not finding incisive passes enough, yet this stat seems to suggest he is still creating a lot of chances, even though we don't necessarily see this.
Talking THFC @TalkingTHFC 2h2 hours ago
Christian Eriksen has made the fifth most chances (67) in the entire @premierleague this season. #THFC
Like you, I don't think Eriksen has been playing as well as he can and he is not finding incisive passes enough, yet this stat seems to suggest he is still creating a lot of chances, even though we don't necessarily see this.
DaSpurs
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I think BC actually even pointed to this (just the fact that he was still producing so many chances despite his low assist count) in his discussion titled "The Tao of Eriksen." Is pretty remarkable.
Blake Griffin
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like most stats used on here, it's fairly ambiguous. how do you define what a chance created is? does him whipping in a dead ball count as a chance created? interestingly, @Bus-Conductor's favourite site whoscored.com has scored eriksen an average rating of 6.9 in his appearances as a #10 and 7.46 as an aml, as well as an 8.76 in his lone appearance as a flat left midfielder. it's also worth noting that in 20 appearances as a #10, our friend christian has four goals and one assist ... which coincidentally is the same as he's achieved in just nine games playing on the left. just as my suspicions confirmed, eriksen is doubly effective out wide as he is central
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like most stats used on here, it's fairly ambiguous. how do you define what a chance created is? does him whipping in a dead ball count as a chance created? interestingly, @Bus-Conductor's favourite site whoscored.com has scored eriksen an average rating of 6.9 in his appearances as a #10 and 7.46 as an aml, as well as an 8.76 in his lone appearance as a flat left midfielder. it's also worth noting that in 20 appearances as a #10, our friend christian has four goals and one assist ... which coincidentally is the same as he's achieved in just nine games playing on the left. just as my suspicions confirmed, eriksen is doubly effective out wide as he is central
Well of course those ratings are going to be increased if he's scoring more out there. But what they don't and can't account for (your ambiguity) is the lack of defensive stability on whatever flank he plays on, especially in a high line system. At least Sherwood had the sense to drop the line back somewhat while Eriksen was playing wide to help prevent counters working down his side.
I think the most ideal solution is to play him in a system/formation that suits him, not put him into a different position because it makes him more effective numerically but to the detriment of the defense. He is not good as the No 10 in this congested system as he's not quick enough with his feet to create his own space or turn away from a defender and press forward, and him playing wide in the high press directly exposes the fullback behind him. Erego, the best solution is to play him in a slightly deeper 4-3-3 with other players accustomed to it, and hot damn how nice is it that opposition managers don't actually know exactly what our formation, lineup, and system is going into every single match?
Blake Griffin
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i think your first point has been blown out of the water these past few weeks, chadli has proven to be no better going back than eriksen is and eriksen offers nowhere the same protection for mason and bentaleb as dembele does. hopefully poch recognises this soon but i'll believe it when i see it.
DaSpurs
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That point is "blown out of the water" if I'm advocating Chadli being there. As you may have noticed, I have said many times here long ago and recently that I don't even think Chadli belongs on the wing altogether, let alone first choice winger. And you'll also note I said "ideal situation," which would also correspond with us finally addressing our wing problem which we've failed to do ever since Bale left (and one could even argue beforehand, since Bale and Lennon's backups were of no consistent use).
If anyone's point is being "blown out of the water," it's when Ibe had free range to bend Rose over a seat in the Kop since he had no protection whatsoever ahead of him.
For the time being, I'm not opposed to Eriksen-Dembele-Lamela if we're to stick with the press. But for now I would play a formation more respectful of the squad we have, and then reassess in the summer with acquisitions to restore better balance.
Bus-Conductor
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The trouble with that stat, as we've discussed before, is that if you tap a ball sideways to Townsend and he shoots from 20 yards, that seems to count as a chance. Opta used to do a stat called CCC (Clear Cut Chances).
One thing is for sure, I've noticed Eriksen trying and failing to play incisive passes nearly ever game, through balls etc. Even saturday the first goal came when he failed to play a through ball to Kane.
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@Bus-Conductor - we need to see more of this from him- quite a juicy pass:
https://vine.co/v/O3JxungLqrI
https://vine.co/v/O3JxungLqrI
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THFCSPURS19
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You click on them.
Here's a link to a kind-of-GIF though:
http://gfycat.com/NextDeliriousAlabamamapturtle
Blake Griffin
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good pass from the left there.
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I still can't get vines to play. Ever. ??
DaSpurs
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Do find it interesting Denmark are now also playing him on the left, with Krohn-Dehli in the middle.
Not quite as interesting though as the fact that both of the US' goals came from long balls played right in front of Eriksen, especially the first one in which Eriksen had plenty of time to close Chandler down on that flank to prevent that pass from happening in the first place
TheHoddleWaddle
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Players in positions that dint suit them. Better options on the bench to suit the pressing style. I still don't get Poch.
HotspurFC1950
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So what formation does Poch use usually ?
