Season Ticket Renewal Thread (Read first post)

[mkkid]

I reckon things won't be as bad as people think.

Let's assume the following argument based on what people are saying in this thread in general:

-richer fans don't make noise
-richer fans are the ones who can afford to go to more away games
-richer fans therefore have more loyalty points
-richer fans are in earlier sales phases as a result

(argument kinda already fails given how our away support is pretty decent so if they have the money for expensive away trips after factoring in travel etc, then a richer fan CAN make noise).

So this will mean richer fans will go for pricier seats in the early sales phases, keeping more of the kop open for 'poorer' fans.

OR

the argument is inaccurate and a lot of those richer yet still noisy fans will be in early sales phases, buy kop seats and yet still make a load of noise keeping the atmosphere solid.

either way, it's a win win for our fanbase as a whole.

(Obviously might still be a loss on an individual level if no decent cheap seats left in mid and late sales phases).

The reality will be somewhere between the 2 as everyone is a mix of different money and atmosphere contribution. So the end result will be that there should be 'some' decent seats available for people in sales 4 and 5. Beyond that might be a bit tricky. I can't see issues with phases 1-3 really, especially if you are quick off the mark in 3. Only 10k seats will be gone by the end of 2 out of 42k, but with the whole stadium to choose from minus 5kish corporate. a good 40k + of availability for people in 3 and even 35ish for people in 4... it's just not going to be a big problem I don't think.

I think you wrong.The games to get LP,were league cup, fa , uefa cups,all cheap and 5 LP.Ten thousand STH, didn’t go to cup games at WHL.i know lots of STH, how buy away tickets and sell them on.
My supporters group, has at least 10 people,who do away games on other people’s crns.
I go to 95% of our games and the demographic is so much younger.
I would say the average away fan is in his mid 20s at White Hart Lane it must be mid 40s.

 

[mkkid]

To all of those complaining about the price of the tickets being too much - where do you draw the line?
I couldn't afford match tickets through most of my 20's let alone even the cheapest season tickets that were available.
To me, someone with a £500 season ticket was far better off than me. Does that mean I looked at them like they were toffs and I was the real fan being denied a season ticket by people who weren't real fans?

F off!

There's always people better off and worse off than you are. Think yourselves lucky that;

A) You're actually invited to buy a season ticket and that there's 50k others that want one but can't and
B) You can afford a ticket, somewhere in the stadium

Actually what I did in my 20s, when I had young children and a mortgage,we didn’t have a holiday for 8 years , we went to Northern Ireland.I didn’t go out as much.
You made other choices.Ive seen my friends priced out the game as ticket prices have outstripped wages.
Spurs have missed an opportunity by alienating a massive part of the fan base, iii sell my tickets for the games , I don’t want to go to claw some cash back.

 

[BujuBanton]

https://www.change.org/p/stop-totte...onate-season-ticket-prices-at-the-new-stadium

What will it achieve? Most likely absolutely nothing But ive signed it anyway

 

[Sandro30]

I see people keep saying that others should save £1000 and get a normal seat rather than a 1882 seat. Did people miss that all games are included in a 1882 seat? 3 Champions League games is probably going to be £180, probably another £100 in League & FA Cup fixtures to start with. Add another couple of knockout Champions League games and you’re at £500 in extra game tickets you don’t need to buy. Yes it’s more expensive and there are benefits to that but it’s not as simple as 1k more expensive.

Edit: Sorry it’s only domestic cup matches, not European too.

 

[BPR_U16]

Much as i agree that the prices are high, i am not surprised because i am a realist. Supply and demand is at work plus consumer loyalty to brand.

When we moved to Wembley I deliberately got a club Wembley season ticket costing £1200 as I thought that would be the sort of price for NWHL. I am fortunate that I am an older person who can afford it.
My 2 sons, for whom cash is much tighter, did exactly the same.

We could have got cheaper tickets but we used it as an experiment whilst still supporting the team. If our thinking was right with cost, was it worth it and would we continue going forward.

There have been times this season, particularly early on, where the answer would have been no.

But ultimately we cannot do without the kick, the passion and the hope that this is the season.

We will be renewing, hopefully at a price, we envisaged.

Can't say we are happy with it, can certainly argue why prices should be lower, but we knew what was coming and we still want to be part of it.

 

[nicdic]

Did people read this article by Martin Cloake, Co-chair of the Trust? Where is he getting the 70% rise from? Seems like he's being as misleading as the club were.

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/tottenham-season-ticket-prices-new-stadium-thst/

Why Tottenham fans feel so let down by the rise in ticket prices Tottenham fans in the stands at Wembley

Welcome home – and by the way your ticket prices have gone up by 70 per cent in some places. That was the message Tottenham Hotspur season ticket holders had to start the week when the club sent out details of prices for next season at the new stadium.

Few were expecting prices to be low, but many have been stunned. Some fans contacting the Tottenham Hotspur Supporters’ Trust said they had been priced out. Many more will bite the bullet to secure a seat in the eagerly-awaited new arena for the first season ‘back home’, but levels of resentment are high. No surprise when you consider the figures.

Those who sat in the old Park Lane lower stand and paid £795 will now pay a minimum of £975 if they can secure a seat in the lower part of the new south stand. East lower patrons who paid £865 at White Hart Lane would need £1,250 to get a comparable ticket at the side of the ground. A seat on the halfway line in the old East Stand costing £1,115 will now set you back £1,995.

Up to 70% rise
The club says seats in the new stadium can’t be compared to those at the old White Hart Lane. Fans don’t see it like that. They compare what they have to pay now with what they paid before. And they also know the wider context. Research published in 2011 found the price of the cheapest season ticket at Spurs had gone up 571 per cent since 1989. The Supporters’ Trust argued for and got price freezes for the last three seasons at White Hart Lane. Now, after years of talking to the club about accessible pricing, we have increases of up to 70 per cent.

Some have made the point that money for new stadiums and player wages has to come from somewhere. And fans understand this. But we are also aware of our own wage structures, and quite a few are finding it hard to justify spending well over £1,000 on a season ticket. And remember, that’s just for 19 Premier League games (up to 50 per cent of which could be moved anyway). Matchday pricing that will give an indication of cup game prices is yet to be released.

The club made much of its wish to promote atmosphere, introducing a single tier 17,500 seater stand modelled on Dortmund’s famous Yellow Wall. Yet over 55 per cent of the tickets are priced over £995, with 25 per cent at £1,200. While generalisations are rarely wise, experience shows that atmosphere in football grounds tends to be generated by younger, less affluent fans. And yet the club’s pricing model imposes some of the highest increases on what were previously the lowest price points.

Will fans keep coming?
They’ve also introduced six ‘premium-lite’ exclusive areas, roughly 1,000 seats, across the middle of the single tier stand, where seats cost £2,200 a year. That gets you access to your own bar, so that Spurs ‘wall’ could feature gaping holes around half-time as the VIP fans make their way to and from their bar.

The club has agreed to introduce a 25 per cent young adult category for 18-21 year olds after Trust lobbying, and to allow concessionary prices all around the ground. But even this is heavily caveated, with concessions only available in seats costing under £1,125. There are a limited number of those, and in the whole stadium only 1,200 seats are priced under £900.

If the stadium is full next year, the club will call it a success. But will people keep coming at those prices if the team’s form dips? Will they renew after the first season? The club has already badly damaged its relationship with fans, and the apparent short-termism has attracted widespread criticism. It is not too late for the club to think again, and to rebuild its relationship with the supporters on whom it relies.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Did people read this article by Martin Cloake, Co-chair of the Trust? Where is he getting the 70% rise from? Seems like he's being as misleading as the club were.

https://inews.co.uk/sport/football/tottenham-season-ticket-prices-new-stadium-thst/

Why Tottenham fans feel so let down by the rise in ticket prices Tottenham fans in the stands at Wembley

Welcome home – and by the way your ticket prices have gone up by 70 per cent in some places. That was the message Tottenham Hotspur season ticket holders had to start the week when the club sent out details of prices for next season at the new stadium.

Few were expecting prices to be low, but many have been stunned. Some fans contacting the Tottenham Hotspur Supporters’ Trust said they had been priced out. Many more will bite the bullet to secure a seat in the eagerly-awaited new arena for the first season ‘back home’, but levels of resentment are high. No surprise when you consider the figures.

Those who sat in the old Park Lane lower stand and paid £795 will now pay a minimum of £975 if they can secure a seat in the lower part of the new south stand. East lower patrons who paid £865 at White Hart Lane would need £1,250 to get a comparable ticket at the side of the ground. A seat on the halfway line in the old East Stand costing £1,115 will now set you back £1,995.

Up to 70% rise
The club says seats in the new stadium can’t be compared to those at the old White Hart Lane. Fans don’t see it like that. They compare what they have to pay now with what they paid before. And they also know the wider context. Research published in 2011 found the price of the cheapest season ticket at Spurs had gone up 571 per cent since 1989. The Supporters’ Trust argued for and got price freezes for the last three seasons at White Hart Lane. Now, after years of talking to the club about accessible pricing, we have increases of up to 70 per cent.

Some have made the point that money for new stadiums and player wages has to come from somewhere. And fans understand this. But we are also aware of our own wage structures, and quite a few are finding it hard to justify spending well over £1,000 on a season ticket. And remember, that’s just for 19 Premier League games (up to 50 per cent of which could be moved anyway). Matchday pricing that will give an indication of cup game prices is yet to be released.

The club made much of its wish to promote atmosphere, introducing a single tier 17,500 seater stand modelled on Dortmund’s famous Yellow Wall. Yet over 55 per cent of the tickets are priced over £995, with 25 per cent at £1,200. While generalisations are rarely wise, experience shows that atmosphere in football grounds tends to be generated by younger, less affluent fans. And yet the club’s pricing model imposes some of the highest increases on what were previously the lowest price points.

Will fans keep coming?
They’ve also introduced six ‘premium-lite’ exclusive areas, roughly 1,000 seats, across the middle of the single tier stand, where seats cost £2,200 a year. That gets you access to your own bar, so that Spurs ‘wall’ could feature gaping holes around half-time as the VIP fans make their way to and from their bar.

The club has agreed to introduce a 25 per cent young adult category for 18-21 year olds after Trust lobbying, and to allow concessionary prices all around the ground. But even this is heavily caveated, with concessions only available in seats costing under £1,125. There are a limited number of those, and in the whole stadium only 1,200 seats are priced under £900.

If the stadium is full next year, the club will call it a success. But will people keep coming at those prices if the team’s form dips? Will they renew after the first season? The club has already badly damaged its relationship with fans, and the apparent short-termism has attracted widespread criticism. It is not too late for the club to think again, and to rebuild its relationship with the supporters on whom it relies.

£865 to £1250 with 2 games less for a comparable seat is an increase of over 60% so I’m sure there is a 70% increase somewhere

Even if it’s not quite 70 I think an increase of over 60% is enough don’t you?

Not sure wages have increased by that much lately!!

 

[Rob]

"A seat on the halfway line in the old East Stand costing £1,115 will now set you back £1,995."

It's maths

(1995-1115)/1115. * 100 = 79% increase.

 

[nicdic]

"A seat on the halfway line in the old East Stand costing £1,115 will now set you back £1,995."

It's maths

(1995-1115)/1115. * 100 = 79% increase.

My point was more that the East Stand increases are pretty self-explanatory, and misleading to use as a stick to beat the club with.

 

[EmperorKabir]

I think you wrong.The games to get LP,were league cup, fa , uefa cups,all cheap and 5 LP.Ten thousand STH, didn’t go to cup games at WHL.i know lots of STH, how buy away tickets and sell them on.
My supporters group, has at least 10 people,who do away games on other people’s crns.
I go to 95% of our games and the demographic is so much younger.
I would say the average away fan is in his mid 20s at White Hart Lane it must be mid 40s.

This doesn't invalidate what I was originally saying much though. If those richer fans are poorer for not buying those extra LP tickets because those tickets are being sold on so they aren't out of pocket, then the argument becomes that the poorer fans who make noise in their 20s are in fact richer because they can afford to go to away games at 100 quid a time (after factoring travel etc). Isn't this still a win win based on what I was originally saying?

 

[southlondonyiddo]

My point was more that the East Stand increases are pretty self-explanatory, and misleading to use as a stick to beat the club with.

God forbid we beat the club with a stick about a guy who’s sat in a certain seat for 50 years week in week out come rain or shine, shite football or great....

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

God forbid we beat the club with a stick about a guy who’s sat in a certain seat for 50 years week in week out come rain or shine, shite football or great....

It wasn’t an act of charity though was it?

I’ve been going since the 60s, because I choose to. I don’t expect preferential treatment and I don’t think anyone should. Some of the seats in the old stadium were shite, to be honest, and Id fully expect to be asked to pay quite a lot more for much better ones.

I’m happy, even though it’s ****ing expensive, but it’s not as expensive as a lot of other things. That’s life.

 

[dagraham]

My point was more that the East Stand increases are pretty self-explanatory, and misleading to use as a stick to beat the club with.

Not misleading at all and should be highlighted. What they’ve done to the East Stand is disgraceful imo. Even if you accept that the East should have seen the biggest increase as it no longer has any restricted views, 50/60% increases are a pisstake.

It’s not like all seats in the East Lower were affected by the posts. The real restricted views were even cheaper. Also worth noting that the West Stand still has the premium entrance, still has the directors box, tunnel and players/coaching staff there.

Even if you ignore the new prices, the fact that there are only 3 blocks for the average home fans to sit from the middle and lower of the stand now is just wrong on so many levels. Everyone just obsessed with the South stand as if that’s all that needed to make a successful stadium. There are three other stands.

You can talk about facilities all you like, but once the novelty of the nice bars, microbrewery etc have worn off it’s the other elements that last and a stadium designed for corporates and sky high prices everywhere else could soon wear thin.

It’s a football stadium not the O2.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

It wasn’t an act of charity though was it?

I’ve been going since the 60s, because I choose to. I don’t expect preferential treatment and I don’t think anyone should. Some of the seats in the old stadium were shite, to be honest, and Id fully expect to be asked to pay quite a lot more for much better ones.

I’m happy, even though it’s ****ing expensive, but it’s not as expensive as a lot of other things. That’s life.

'Sorry Sir we can’t give you preferential treatment for being a loyal supporter for all those years. Oh and by the way, through no fault of yours we're putting that seat you’ve always sat in that area of the ground up by 80%

'Blimey I can’t afford that anymore'

Oh well, Bye then...

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

'Sorry Sir we can’t give you preferential treatment for being a loyal supporter for all those years. Oh and by the way, through no fault of yours we're putting that seat you’ve always sat in that area of the ground by 80%

'Blimey I can’t afford that anymore'

Oh well, Bye then...

But it’s not the same seat I’ve always sat in is it?

We might like to pretend it is for sentimental reasons, but of course, it is a new seat in a new stadium. With all the associated costs and benefits.

And like most other things in life, cars, holidays, houses, new TVs, you can’t necessarily afford exactly what you’d ideally like so you work out what you can afford.

It feels to me that prices need to go up if we want to become as competitive as possible.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

I’m alright Jack

Fuck everybody else

Why should I stand I stand up for anybody less fortunate than myself

Yes it’s immoral but it’s not illegal

Fucking Hell, what’s happened to us?

 

[Led's Zeppelin]

I’m alright Jack

Fuck everybody else

Why should I stand I stand up for anybody less fortunate than myself

Yes it’s immoral but it’s not illegal

Fucking Hell, what’s happened to us?

Actually, I’ve spent at least the last 20 years doing nothing but standing up for people less well off than me. I gave up paid work to devote myself full time to voluntary charitable work 20 years ago, so less of the “I’m alright Jack” shit please.

Sadly perhaps, football hos become a fiercely competitive financial business and we either compete or do something else.

 

[nicdic]

East Stand tickets were cheap because of the state of it, the facilities, the pillars etc. People got a good deal in that stand for a long time.

It's been clear for a long time that it would be different at the new ground. They were always gonna be equal with the West Stand. Same views, same facilities, etc. It's foolish to expect otherwise.

I'm all for questioning that the tickets are all too expensive, which I believe they are, but to beat the club with the stick of the prices in the East Stand is as misleading as the club using the very few tickets at the lowest price to boast how cheap it is.

 

[dagraham]

But it’s not the same seat I’ve always sat in is it?

We might like to pretend it is for sentimental reasons, but of course, it is a new seat in a new stadium. With all the associated costs and benefits.

And like most other things in life, cars, holidays, houses, new TVs, you can’t necessarily afford exactly what you’d ideally like so you work out what you can afford.

It feels to me that prices need to go up if we want to become as competitive as possible.

Of course prices were expected to go up, but there’s a balance to be struck.

And actually my seat doesn’t even exist anymore. All corporate now.

 

[Rob]

And actually my seat doesn’t even exist anymore.

Bet you feel stupid for not buying (most of) it for £50 now, eh?