Season Ticket Renewal Thread (Read first post)

[Led's Zeppelin]

On one hand I do think fans have to be realistic about our position. We've massively overachieved recently but we're not yet in a position to compete with five other PL teams on players, it's as simple as that. The issue is that these price rises have little to do with that. The new stadium will make a huge difference, but it will be through naming rights, increased capacity, corporate revenue and commercial potential. If we succeed on those ground we can compete with the likes of Arsenal, Liverpool and Chelsea regardless; if we don't, then the increased prices a) won't make up the shortfall and b) won't make any money at all because people simply won't pay that much if we're not at least in the top 4 and retaining our first XI players. Throwing the fans under the bus like this isn't in my opinion a smart long-term decision even if our aim is commercial competitiveness. It's a large and unnecessary risk.

You might be right. None of us knows yet. It's a risk, for sure.

Personally, I would have liked to see even higher prices in some areas for those who really can afford it, and lower prices in others., including the wall. I'm sure they could have found more ways to differentiate the seats but it's not happening so we don't need to speculate about how it might have worked or what its effects might have been.

So yes, I agree it's a risk, but that's what highly competitive commercial operations live by, and we'll judge them by how it works out. Some will personalise it, naturally, but that will, or should, take us into areas beyond this thread, as @Dougal points out.

And there are people who have to walk miles each day to have access to clean water but let’s keep this to a conversation concerning people affected by the thread subject. It’s renewals.

In that case, if we're not going to worry about people who can't afford seats, let's be consistent.

The fact is that it's almost certain that more seats will be sold in the new stadium than in the old one, so if we're not worrying about people who can't afford seats, that's as far as we can take it: more seats, more satisfied customers. I really think it's more complex than that, but that's why I'm not happy with the binary direction this thread has taken us, though it's inevitable of course.

 

[bomberH]

Pricing for football has been pretty extortionate for a number of years now and my guess is most fans can’t really afford it but manage to, whether it’s credit card or whatever. It still adds to an ever increasing monthly outgoing. This rise is quite substantial and it’s on top of already expensive tickets. People will still go, even most of the people on here saying they can’t... but they’ll be paying a big price in their normal lives for it as the monthly outgoings take their toll. It’s not like a normal business where you can just decide to stop paying/going. It’s much more than that, it’s a part of our lives we’ve all grown up with. I honestly can’t imagine not going.

I was hoping that the tv money, which is stupidly high, would’ve part funded ticket prices meaning there wouldn’t be such a massive rise. But a few hundred quid PLUS losing 2 cup games is a lot to take. I was expecting £100 or so rise for each season ticket (from the last WHL season) for one or two seasons and then a slightly bigger rise depending on how we’re doing. To do it all in one go is really harsh.

If our ticket prices are the highest in the league then that puts a lot more pressure on Levy & co to win trophies. It could go tits up, not so much like the abomination at West Ham, but more like unrest at Arsenal. People will forget the prices more so if we start winning things but even then, we still have to cope with the cost of living. I do fear for the atmosphere but I’m hoping for the best and that we become one of the best teams around. At least we’d be getting our money’s worth.

I’m really unhappy with the price hike but I’ll still go and I’ll still love it and if it means my littl’un goes without food for a couple of months then so be it

 

[Dougal]

You might be right. None of us knows yet. It's a risk, for sure.

Personally, I would have liked to see even higher prices in some areas for those who really can afford it, and lower prices in others., including the wall. I'm sure they could have found more ways to differentiate the seats but it's not happening so we don't need to speculate about how it might have worked or what its effects might have been.

So yes, I agree it's a risk, but that's what highly competitive commercial operations live by, and we'll judge them by how it works out. Some will personalise it, naturally, but that will, or should, take us into areas beyond this thread, as @Dougal points out.





In that case, if we're not going to worry about people who can't afford seats, let's be consistent.

The fact is that it's almost certain that more seats will be sold in the new stadium than in the old one, so if we're not worrying about people who can't afford seats, that's as far as we can take it: more seats, more satisfied customers. I really think it's more complex than that, but that's why I'm not happy with the binary direction this thread has taken us, though it's inevitable of course.

I think the conversation was that people who weren’t being priced out now are due to what has been perceived as an unreasonable hike in prices. The whole thing is about the percentages. People should have expected to pay more. My ticket has doubled over time because there is almost always some kind of increase. But there was some hope that it wouldn’t be such a steep incline.

 

[Archibald Leitch]

People should have expected to pay more.

Anyone who thought that prices wouldn't rise needs their bumps felt. But you are absolutely right - the rate of increase for many individuals is quite stunning. I budgeted for a 20% increase in what I pay at Wembley. I'll be lucky to get away with 35% increase being in Phase 7, but expect to be looking at something like a 50% increase. I can afford it, but I am extremely resentful about it, and won't spend a single extra penny while in the stadium. Mike Ashley or Dave Whelan will be supplying my replica shirts next season.

 

[Saoirse]

Anyone who thought that prices wouldn't rise needs their bumps felt. But you are absolutely right - the rate of increase for many individuals is quite stunning. I budgeted for a 20% increase in what I pay at Wembley. I'll be lucky to get away with 35% increase being in Phase 7, but expect to be looking at something like a 50% increase. I can afford it, but I am extremely resentful about it, and won't spend a single extra penny while in the stadium. Mike Ashley or Dave Whelan will be supplying my replica shirts next season.

Okay we may be bad but I'd still rather give Tottenham even more money than a penny to Mike fucking Cashley. Right up there on the lists of truly despicable "businessmen".

 

[Archibald Leitch]

I do fear for the atmosphere but I’m hoping for the best and that we become one of the best teams around.

The atmosphere will be the same as at Wembley - rocking for big matches, polite for Apoel Nicosia and shite for Swansea.

 

[Archibald Leitch]

Okay we may be bad but I'd still rather give Tottenham even more money than a penny to Mike fucking Cashley. Right up there on the lists of truly despicable "businessmen".

Hopefully the force of my protest will be truly felt

 

[Dougal]

Anyone who thought that prices wouldn't rise needs their bumps felt. But you are absolutely right - the rate of increase for many individuals is quite stunning. I budgeted for a 20% increase in what I pay at Wembley. I'll be lucky to get away with 35% increase being in Phase 7, but expect to be looking at something like a 50% increase. I can afford it, but I am extremely resentful about it, and won't spend a single extra penny while in the stadium. Mike Ashley or Dave Whelan will be supplying my replica shirts next season.

Gave up on the replica shirts a long time ago. Programmes too. Now I no longer go to cup games. The club ups the prices, I buy less because there is only so much I can spend.

 

[dagraham]

Gave up on the replica shirts a long time ago. Programmes too. Now I no longer go to cup games. The club ups the prices, I buy less because there is only so much I can spend.

I’m stunned that anyone who goes regularly still buys programmes. Apart from the CL games I haven’t bought one since the late 90’s.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

I’m stunned that anyone who goes regularly still buys programmes. Apart from the CL games I haven’t bought one since the late 90’s.

They were 10p when I started buying them in the mid 70's! Stopped when they got to about 2 quid I think. I still buy the CL programme too. God knows why!!

 

[Rob]

And there are people who have to walk miles each day to have access to clean water

How is Dublin?

 

[Dougal]

How is Dublin?

I dunno. How's Plymouth?

 

[spursgirls]

I blame the clubs backed by billionaires. They are the ones who have driven up players' wages to such an extent that tickets are ridiculously expensive now. We have to try and compete to stand a chance of competing for the title. The explosion of money in football has changed the whole face of football from a family game to a financial business first, football second.

 

[Archibald Leitch]

Gave up on the replica shirts a long time ago.

I get two - one for my birthday and one for Xmas. My missus buys them for me/pays for them.

I have only ever bought 2 programmes in my life. Both last season - the last NLD and the Finale.

 

[riggi]

I’m stunned that anyone who goes regularly still buys programmes. Apart from the CL games I haven’t bought one since the late 90’s.

Never had one.

 

[Dougal]

I blame the clubs backed by billionaires. They are the ones who have driven up players' wages to such an extent that tickets are ridiculously expensive now. We have to try and compete to stand a chance of competing for the title. The explosion of money in football has changed the whole face of football from a family game to a financial business first, football second.

If there wasn’t billionaires there would just be millionaires trying to be billionaires. I blame the television deals. At the end of the day it’s about squeezing every last available penny from the masses and no one does that quite like a broadcaster. They’re basically drug dealers.

 

[southlondonyiddo]

Never had one.

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[southlondonyiddo]

I blame the clubs backed by billionaires. They are the ones who have driven up players' wages to such an extent that tickets are ridiculously expensive now. We have to try and compete to stand a chance of competing for the title. The explosion of money in football has changed the whole face of football from a family game to a financial business first, football second.

I blame JJ

 

[NickHSpurs]

Ignore the headline highest and lowest prices as they're misleading. We're a top six club and I bet if you average out the price of season tickets at all of the other top six clubs it will be similar.

Dortmund/Bayern are the elite in Germany, they set the bar low for prices which is brilliant so the only way the PL will change is if a cap is introduced or ALL of the top six clubs come together to agree a reducation.

We were simply never going to charge cheaper prices than our rivals in our shiny new stadium whilst everyone else charges more.

 

[John48]

Ignore the headline highest and lowest prices as they're misleading. We're a top six club and I bet if you average out the price of season tickets at all of the other top six clubs it will be similar.

Dortmund/Bayern are the elite in Germany, they set the bar low for prices which is brilliant so the only way the PL will change is if a cap is introduced or ALL of the top six clubs come together to agree a reducation.

We were simply never going to charge cheaper prices than our rivals in our shiny new stadium whilst everyone else charges more.

Who charges more? Pretty sure we're the most expensive.