Sell Modric

[Sp3akerboxxx]

We're a Llorente and a Diarra away from having as good a starting eleven as anyone in the league.

And whilst Levy always tends to leave it late it's because we really can't afford to piss money away on players.
We can't spend £50million on the above 2 whilst shipping out Crouch/Palacios for £10million, we'd pretty soon go bust.

We put in realistic bids for other players and only accept realistic bids for ours and if we pick up Llorente/Diarra for £40million whilst getting £20million back for Palacios/Crouch that will be great business and worth waiting for.

LLorente is not a 20 goal a season striker.

 

[StartingPrice]

LLorente is not a 20 goal a season striker.

I think that the suggestion is that playing in a team as creative as ours, maximising his skillset, he will be a 20 goal a season striker - and that is why folk are keen on signing him.

 

[Montasura]

I think that the suggestion is that playing in a team as creative as ours, maximising his skillset, he will be a 20 goal a season striker - and that is why folk are keen on signing him.

Precisely, I think whether he is or will be a 20 a season man or not is irrelevant, he is undoubtedly better than any of our current strikers. We obviously can't compete in the market at the moment and go out and buy the Aguero's etc. For now all we need to aim for is an upgrade on last seasons league position, and to do that we need to upgrade our strikers, simple as that. If we can continue to upgrade and hopefully get back in the top 4 and, crucially, remain there for a few years then we will be in a much better position in the market to substantially upgrade our upgrades :grin:

And besides, this "20 goals a season striker" business is garbage IMO. A good forward is about a damn sight more than just how many goals he gets (and there's not many get 20 a season these days), in Llorente I see someone who for a start will greatly improve our chances of scoring from set pieces (unlike a certain beanpole he can actually head the bloody ball), I see the ability to hold the ball up, to grab a bunch of assists etc.......so basically more than any of our current lot can do.

 

[whatsappnin]

Do you all have to gang up on one person!!!

 

[whatsappnin]

fair enough, what a load of old cobblers! lmfao

 

[SpurSince57]

Do you all have to gang up on one person!!!

If said person starts a thread which, even by his past standards, is quite mind-numbingly dim, what do you expect everyone to do?

 

[Spurs_Q8]

If said person starts a thread which, even by his past standards, is quite mind-numbingly dim, what do you expect everyone to do?

yes, i don't have a problem with all of these 'harsh words', they also do the same with Harry Redknapp every week, so Who i'm to avoid these words ..

but it's one fact, it's just 10 months, all bash would go for Redknapp again, yet our business is so slow, there is no real reinforements until this moment, even that one who said 'Diarra' , I would ask him where you would deploy him ? and Is that really would solve our problems last year ?

it's decent addition, as replacement for Palacios, but that's all.

 

[Ionman34]

yes, i don't have a problem with all of these 'harsh words', they also do the same with Harry Redknapp every week, so Who i'm to avoid these words ..

You should. It is criticism and, generally, when you receive criticism from EVERYONE it means one of two things;

1. You are the only sane person on the Planet.
2. You. Are. Wrong.

Seriously, what are the odds on it being number one?



[/quote]but it's one fact, it's just 10 months, all bash would go for Redknapp again, yet our business is so slow, there is no real reinforements until this moment, even that one who said 'Diarra' , I would ask him where you would deploy him ? and Is that really would solve our problems last year ?[/quote]

Diarra is an excellent addition to our midfield, a definite upgrade on Palacios who, I believe, will be deployed primarily alongside Sandr in a 4-2-3-1 formation, thereby increasing our solidity through the middle and plugging the gap behind the attacking midfielders that was exploited so often last season. Those two will offer huge protection for our defence as well as also having more to their game than just breaking up play.
Part of our problem last season was shipping goals. The introduction of Diarra should go a long way to preventing that.

Thereby strengthening the team. He may not solve our goalscoring problems, but they weren't the sole problem we had. DL and Aitch aren't focussing on just the one area, unlike yourself.

[/quote]it's decent addition, as replacement for Palacios, but that's all.[/quote]

It is a little more than that but only game time will show you that.

 

[cusop]

only United have our pace and it's going to be the difference. With Rose in The wings it's quite promising. Defoe and Crouch want to stay and will pull there fingers out. CALM DOWN!

 

[Spurs_Q8]

You should. It is criticism and, generally, when you receive criticism from EVERYONE it means one of two things;

1. You are the only sane person on the Planet.
2. You. Are. Wrong.

it's neither, the fact i'm Spurs fan who is VERY DISAPPOINTED with current speed for our business in the most critical season for us, we said the same last summer when we wanted a striker and ended with only Sandro as first team signing ( and VDV until last day of transfer window and not what we need ) .. we struggled and everyone see that it was the problem. Don't say I'm worng !

and the likes of Modric wants out to match thier ambitions, so we aren't ambitions enough, if we ended up with top four again, we could challenge for title and play in CL again, ''with ability to attract but when we aren't we will try to finish top four again and play in Eroupa league ''with less quality players in transfer market are available'' .. Don't say I'm Wrong.

I believe we could convice the likes of Modric & Bale to stay and wait for us another season, but from what i've experienced, poor start cost you dare in your expectations, and don't campare us with Man United. and if we failed to make CL spot this season, both of Modric and Bale will leave unless they suffered long term injury or the owners sold the club to very rich owner who could offer crazy wgess. You would argue what about this one becuase you will be optimistic, but I'm sure most of us were more optimistic when we beat Roma 5-1, and suddenly we were 20th after 8 games, and it was vs the likes Middlesbrough, Sunderland (H), Villa (H), Wigan (H), Portsmouth (A), new promoted Hull (H), new promoted Stoke (A).

we can't kid ourself like what happened to Arshavin saga three years ago, remember we even struggled to get the likes of Mility and Luis Garcia or even Owen ( as reported ) in the last day of transfer window. We ended up with fraizer Campbell on loan as 3rd striker, who was unproved and still unproven to this date. It's Key signing, and we must have a striker by the end of May or at most at the start of July ( never mind we had June as well ) .. but to risk it to the last of 20 days in the transfer window ? this is a huge disappointment.

Diarra is an excellent addition to our midfield, a definite upgrade on Palacios who, I believe, will be deployed primarily alongside Sandr in a 4-2-3-1 formation, thereby increasing our solidity through the middle and plugging the gap behind the attacking midfielders that was exploited so often last season. Those two will offer huge protection for our defence as well as also having more to their game than just breaking up play.
Part of our problem last season was shipping goals. The introduction of Diarra should go a long way to preventing that.

Thereby strengthening the team. He may not solve our goalscoring problems, but they weren't the sole problem we had. DL and Aitch aren't focussing on just the one area, unlike yourself.

i agree that, signing Diarra could force Redknapp to change to 4-3-3, but ask yourself question from your experience as football fan, How many wingers in the team can score goals ?

if you could settle with Defoe/Pav/Crouch upfront with someone like Modric can support, then you couldn't settle for only Bale on the wings, not just because he is only one, it's also because that he likes to cross, and 2 of those are weak on the air IMO.

if we want Pav/Defoe to improve and be a hit next season in this system, we must sign the likes of Ashley Young, Marin, Suarez, Farfan, Mata etc... and we are yet to sign these type of players, and it's didn't help your point of Defense protection, because if the wings and upfront couldn't work well in that system, it would be shit football, Man City 2009-2011 style of football with less quality.

 

[Ionman34]

it's neither, the fact i'm Spurs fan who is VERY DISAPPOINTED with current speed for our business in the most critical season for us, we said the same last summer when we wanted a striker and ended with only Sandro as first team signing ( and VDV until last day of transfer window and not what we need ) .. we struggled and everyone see that it was the problem. Don't say I'm worng !

and the likes of Modric wants out to match thier ambitions, so we aren't ambitions enough, if we ended up with top four again, we could challenge for title and play in CL again, ''with ability to attract but when we aren't we will try to finish top four again and play in Eroupa league ''with less quality players in transfer market are available'' .. Don't say I'm Wrong.

I believe we could convice the likes of Modric & Bale to stay and wait for us another season, but from what i've experienced, poor start cost you dare in your expectations, and don't campare us with Man United. and if we failed to make CL spot this season, both of Modric and Bale will leave unless they suffered long term injury or the owners sold the club to very rich owner who could offer crazy wgess. You would argue what about this one becuase you will be optimistic, but I'm sure most of us were more optimistic when we beat Roma 5-1, and suddenly we were 20th after 8 games, and it was vs the likes Middlesbrough, Sunderland (H), Villa (H), Wigan (H), Portsmouth (A), new promoted Hull (H), new promoted Stoke (A).

we can't kid ourself like what happened to Arshavin saga three years ago, remember we even struggled to get the likes of Mility and Luis Garcia or even Owen ( as reported ) in the last day of transfer window. We ended up with fraizer Campbell on loan as 3rd striker, who was unproved and still unproven to this date. It's Key signing, and we must have a striker by the end of May or at most at the start of July ( never mind we had June as well ) .. but to risk it to the last of 20 days in the transfer window ? this is a huge disappointment.


Okay. Take a deep breath and reread what I wrote. Read it slowly, absorb what has been written then understanding will surely come.
It's not hard, there's only a few lines, all of which had absolutely nothing to do with the diatribe you've just dished out.
You, criticism.
Focus on those two words when reading the first paragraph.



i agree that, signing Diarra could force Redknapp to change to 4-3-3, but ask yourself question from your experience as football fan ? Who many wingers in the team can score goals ?

We have two and they both score goals. In fact Bale was our second highest scorer last season. What, on Gods Green Earth this has to do with Diarra I haven't a Scooby. I don't know where you got 4-3-3- from either, 4-2-3-1 was the formation I mentioned.

if you could settle with Defoe/Pav/Crouch upfront with someone like Modric can support, then you couldn't settle for only Bale on the wings, not just because he is only one, it's also because that he likes to cross, and 2 of those are weak on the air IMO.

OK, I see where you are coming from here but think you need to pay a bit more attention to the nature of the service from Bale, and Lennon too.

You were aware that we had a right winger too weren't you?

Their service tends more towards the 'low and hard' ball across the face of the goal. Rarely do we see them stand it up fro a striker to head. It has been mentioned on here previously that our strikers just aren't quick enough to keep up with our wingers, therefore meaning that a great many of the centres, from both wingers, go into the right area but that the strikers aren't there to take advantage.



if we want Pav/Defoe to improve and be a hit next season in this system, we must sign the likes of Ashley Young, Marin, Suarez, Farfan, Mata etc... and we are yet to sign these type of players, and it's didn't help your point of Defense protection, because if the wings and upfront couldn't work well in that system, it would be shit football, Man City 2009-2011 style of football with less quality.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to be facetious but I'm not sure I understood fully what you were writing there, I will have a stab at replying though based on what I think you are saying.
Whilst I would like to see the likes of Mata or Suarez at the club, Mata is beyond our means and Suarez has been signed by Liverpool. Be that as it may, your point seems to be that the likes of Defoe and Pav would magically become better players by the introduction of these. (I'm ignoring Ashley Young BTW, we're talking about upgrading, not settling for second best)
The simple fact of the matter is that we could have Messi, Ronaldo and Kaka in the team and our strikers wouldn't improve. If anything they'd look even more pedestrian in their movement and thinking.
In Lennon and Bale we have two of the best wingers in Europe, ably supported by Modders and VDV. I don't know the stats for Lennon and Bale but, as I've pointed out previously, LM & VDV have 133 goalscoring opportunities created between them last season. It would be fair to assume that GB and AL provided, say, two thirds of this? So and additional 90 assists from those two.
That's 223 goalscoring opportunities provided by our midfield, for a return of what? 15 goals from our strikers?
The facts speak for themselves, service isn't the problem, the strikers are.
Now we shipped 46 goals in the League last season too.
Better strikers = more goals for, better protection for our defence = less goals against. Logic dictates that, if you do both at the same time, your points tally will increase significantly rather than marginally, which is what is more likely if we only improve in the one area.
Diarra is a step in the right direction, but just the first step. The next is strikers. IMO we need to replace all 4. Not immediately, but over the course of this season and next.

 

[Spurs_Q8]

You seem to be speaking as a Luka Modric supporter rather than a Tottenham Hotspur supporter. Although I do agree that our lack of ambition thus far is there for us all to see.

let me know if you are still sure about this or not, I don't want Modric today, but what do you think about his feeling today ?
don't say we've injuries in CM, if we want to be in CL, we must have better squad to cope with these injuries, to lose like this today, unacceptable .. and my main arguement, we must learn from Berbatov saga.

We play Everton at home. Both Everton and Man Utd are notorious for being slow starters in the league most seasons.

Seriously, get a frigging grip on reality for a sec. We all want a new striker as much as you do, but come on dude, chill yourself out. Have a wank, you'll feel better.

today, was a response for your irrational argument, with all respect to you.

 

[Spurs_Q8]

once again, I'm waiting for those people who called it the worst post for ages, or who left negative rates.

again, i wasn't meaning about selling Modric, more tha blaming DL for this late movement in transfer market, specially since CM injuries.

 

[Tonio]

Im starting to think its more of a disruption having him in the dressing room than a good thing? His days are numbered whether its this season he goes or next he will leave mark my words.

 

[chkthfc82]

Modric should be sold, he dosent want to play for tottenham anymore.

 

[StartingPrice]

once again, I'm waiting for those people who called it the worst post for ages, or who left negative rates.

again, i wasn't meaning about selling Modric, more tha blaming DL for this late movement in transfer market, specially since CM injuries.

But it has been argued millions of times on millions of threads.
And each and every time it is pointed out that this is to do with our unique situation.
And why did you entitle the thread the way you did if it wasn't about selling Modric?

 

[Spurs_Q8]

But it has been argued millions of times on millions of threads.
And each and every time it is pointed out that this is to do with our unique situation.
And why did you entitle the thread the way you did if it wasn't about selling Modric?

because I was very disappointed, it was all about so late deals, just feel sorry for the manager.

 

[StartingPrice]

because I was very disappointed, it was all about so late deals, just feel sorry for the manager.

But we all feel disappoointed.
The deals are late...but the club is at a particular stage in it's development and it is not easy to do deals that will improve us.

 

[Spurs_Q8]

But we all feel disappoointed.
The deals are late...but the club is at a particular stage in it's development and it is not easy to do deals that will improve us.

the problem, if you want to sell WP, and you know Sandro injuried before 3-4 weeks from the start of the league, and the others Hudd & Jenas aren't fit, why not moving for Parker quicker ?

striker ? it is more than 12 months now.
Happy with Adebayor, but it's costs us 6 points, clearly i said before it's touch and vital fixture.

wish now todays result wouldn't effect on our transfer targets and more on Modric !

i was afraid about this before posting this thread.

 

[grahamg88]

Modric should be sold, he dosent want to play for tottenham anymore.

This!

I've just got in from the game and modric couldn't wait to be subbed today he kept looking at the bench to be subbed and when people stood and clapped and gave him support when he was subbed he didn't even acknowledge the fans, he doesn't care about us so just get rid!