Sh*t home support

[absolute bobbins]

So the working class are stupid, didn't work hard at school and are all unemployed?

Yes

 

[JohannTHFC]

The two aren't related. Support should be unconditional

Our support used to be awesome but as Levy continued to make shitty decsion after shitty decision the support got worse. I'd say the two are most definitely related.

 

[absolute bobbins]

Our support used to be awesome but as Levy continued to make shitty decsion after shitty decision the support got worse. I'd say the two are most definitely related.

So you support the club less because of perceived slights by a chairman? What about when Scholar nearly crippled the club? Did your support wane then too?

 

[CheeseGromit]

When it goes wrong everybody else gets blamed

 

[JohannTHFC]

So you support the club less because of perceived slights by a chairman? What about when Scholar nearly crippled the club? Did your support wane then too?

You mean before the asshole stewards who don't let you stand or even produce a banner? Before the drum was banned? Before ticket prices were insanely overpriced and before stubhub? Regardless, the excuse that the supporters are to blame for the results is a very weak one. Chelsea, City, United and Arsenal all have terrible home support, worse than ours, yet those teams consistently qualify for Europe and contend titles. Time to accept that the players, manager and chairman are responsible, not the fans who pay ridiculous prices only to get nothing but shitty budget signings every transfer window.

 

[Nocando]

Despite the dross that was served up today, at one point mid second half we actually managed to get some support for the team. Not much to report on, but better than some games this season.

Yeah I was quite surprised, although that didn't last long (I think coincided with the introduction of Ade iirc)

 

[Nocando]

You mean before the asshole stewards who don't let you stand or even produce a banner? Before the drum was banned? Before ticket prices were insanely overpriced and before stubhub? Regardless, the excuse that the supporters are to blame for the results is a very weak one. Chelsea, City, United and Arsenal all have terrible home support, worse than ours, yet those teams consistently qualify for Europe and contend titles. Time to accept that the players, manager and chairman are responsible, not the fans who pay ridiculous prices only to get nothing but shitty budget signings every transfer window.

We've been through this a million times and I suspect even if it hit in the face it wouldn't sink in.

...Yes those clubs have shit support but they rely on the nice cushion of money and stability.

Results are more likely to come due to a number of factors including, money, players, management, support and stability / experience. There's only one of those we can really influence, yet we do the opposite and make it a hindrance. As I said if you don't think it;s a factor then you're living on another planet or doing so to somehow try and justify the poor actions by the fans.

Just denying the fact wont make it any less true.

 

[absolute bobbins]

You mean before the asshole stewards who don't let you stand or even produce a banner? Before the drum was banned? Before ticket prices were insanely overpriced and before stubhub? Regardless, the excuse that the supporters are to blame for the results is a very weak one. Chelsea, City, United and Arsenal all have terrible home support, worse than ours, yet those teams consistently qualify for Europe and contend titles. Time to accept that the players, manager and chairman are responsible, not the fans who pay ridiculous prices only to get nothing but shitty budget signings every transfer window.

Most of what you're moaning about is due to Haringey Council (tried to ban the 1882) or the Taylor report.

The difference between us and the clubs you've named is money, FFP means that a sugar daddy can't just pump money into a club anymore so the way to make money is having infrastructure that can finance the aspirations of the fans (regardless of how completely devoid of reality they are).

Spurs have already awarded the contract for groundworks of the new stadium which is worth over £50,000,000.

 

[JohannTHFC]

We've been through this a million times and I suspect even if it hit in the face it wouldn't sink in.

...Yes those clubs have shit support but they rely on the nice cushion of money and stability.

Results are more likely to come due to a number of factors including, money, players, management, support and stability / experience. There's only one of those we can really influence, yet we do the opposite and make it a hindrance. As I said if you don't think it;s a factor then you're living on another planet or doing so to somehow try and justify the poor actions by the fans.

Just denying the fact wont make it any less true.

I do think its a factor, just pointing out that its not the only factor. Sick of seeing the Levy ball suckers trying to get him off the hook by blaming the fans. Blaming the fans is the easiest thing to do. Also changes made at boardroom level would improve the atmosphere.

 

[Sevens]

Football has changed. It's now a business. The entertainment business.

Whilst I believe the crowd can, and does, make a difference in matches I also believe the onus is on the team (full of very highly paid players who are effectively paid to entertain) to spark the crowd into a positive frame of mind. Not the other way around.

I can't say I have that much sympathy for someone who is on £5K a week plus that mentally crumbles under pressure from a football crowd. The fact there is such a strong possibility that our players do doesn't demonstrate the crowd is the problem. It demonstrates our players are weak mentally.

 

[Nocando]

I do think its a factor, just pointing out that its not the only factor. Sick of seeing the Levy ball suckers trying to get him off the hook by blaming the fans. Blaming the fans is the easiest thing to do. Also changes made at boardroom level would improve the atmosphere.

I agree I think Levy should take a large proportion of the blame for this, however I don;t agree that we all too easily look outward to blame when we aren't performing in the stands, regardless of who else is to blame. If we got ourselves in order then we would have a much better case to go to others. At the moment we're part of the problem too, and it's a bit of a self fulfilling prophecy which just makes everything worse.

I also find it a bit strange that everyone complains about Levy and then calls for the manager to be sacked, which is exactly the reason why people don't like him. I don't know if Poch is the right man, but the odds are stacked against him and would be stacked against who ever else we got in, so I feel the same way as I did when AVB was here, and that is Levy should stick with the manager regardless and just fuck what he or the fans think. As long as we're not in a relegation fight, just stick with the manager for a few years and see how it goes. If we knew that was the situation we wouldn't get all this commotion.