Southampton Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

[Bulletspur]

Its better to discuss rather than dishing out disagrees.

Ok it was an unforgettable slip by Mason who should of done better and cleared his lines. Vertonghen too should of defended better in the build up to that goal imo... But you most be in real denail if you think Davies comes out smelling of roses

@double0 no one said he was blameless, far from it but to lay all blame on him is absurd

 

[ajspurs]

Note that our players were slipping all over the place yesterday and they continued to water the pitch at half time when it was already greasy as hell. Probablt a plan as we were slipping a lot more than them.

 

[The Scarecrow]

Note that our players were slipping all over the place yesterday and they continued to water the pitch at half time when it was already greasy as hell. Probablt a plan as we were slipping a lot more than them.

It backfired, though, as Schneiderlin got himself injured.

 

[Japhet]

Not sure about solid plans i havent seen any evidence yet nor does it take a season to assess but its about opinions.
I think in regards to being in the mix we can thank our lucky stars for the emergence of kane and also the form of Lloris, without these two we would have been mid table or lower with the poor defensive unit we have.
But saying all that lets hope as you say poch has a plan for next year and more importantly he gets the backing to see this through, something we all agree on.

Not to assess, but with one transfer window before the season proper and the notoriously difficult one in Jan it takes a season to get a decent idea of the squad. We allegedly tried for a couple of players Poch knows well. Hopefully he's seen enough of what we have to offer to know what changes he wants to make by now, and even more hopefully, Levy will stump up the cash.

 

[degoose]

Note that our players were slipping all over the place yesterday and they continued to water the pitch at half time when it was already greasy as hell. Probablt a plan as we were slipping a lot more than them.

Yeah before masons slip I'd noticed our players had already slipped 4-5 times and then continued after,it must have been a big plan of theirs.

 

[worcestersauce]

Mason slipped, the pitch was unsafe others too slipped and suffered injuries.

The fact still remains Davies made two costly errors both resulting in goals....I find it interesting that you can portion blame to Mason yet say Lloris was right not to help Davies.

I'm puzzled that you find it interesting, the ball was Davies to kick away not Hugo's and Mason slipped because he tried to turn back having put himself under pressure unnecessarily.
I suspect that since your last post you have seen MoTD and will better understand what I'm saying.

 

[only1waddle]

Not sure about solid plans i havent seen any evidence yet nor does it take a season to assess but its about opinions.
I think in regards to being in the mix we can thank our lucky stars for the emergence of kane and also the form of Lloris, without these two we would have been mid table or lower with the poor defensive unit we have.
But saying all that lets hope as you say poch has a plan for next year and more importantly he gets the backing to see this through, something we all agree on.

Mourinho always quotes that he won't have a winning team, or one playing how he wants in his first season, if we hadn't had so many transitional seasons, or what seems like 3 seasons of it I think most of us would have more patience.

 

[shelfboy68]

Not to assess, but with one transfer window before the season proper and the notoriously difficult one in Jan it takes a season to get a decent idea of the squad. We allegedly tried for a couple of players Poch knows well. Hopefully he's seen enough of what we have to offer to know what changes he wants to make by now, and even more hopefully, Levy will stump up the cash.

The last sentence of your post is of the greatest concern to me levy stumping up the cash.
We have seen before when managers want certain players and then look who we end up with like fazio,stambouli etc, history is not on levys side here.

 

[shelfboy68]

Mourinho always quotes that he won't have a winning team, or one playing how he wants in his first season, if we hadn't had so many transitional seasons, or what seems like 3 seasons of it I think most of us would have more patience.

I think a lot of us have run out of patience with what has been going on for years now and Im yet to be convinced by anything that comes out of the club.

 

[nightgoat]

There has to be something in it as too many have said similar things but Im not holding out too much hope on things changing for next season imo.
The defence is a major area of concern that needs to be targeted mainly due to piss poor defending,although the system might not help this due to the fact we sit so High leaving us vunerable.
If my memory is correct southampton conceded quite a bit under poch last year but have been much better and tighter this season, so it would seem that the "philosophy" leaves us badly exposed at the back.

Southampton conceded less than we did last season, and only five more than Arsenal.

 

[nightgoat]

Baldini is the scapegoat imo, Ian Bloomfield is head scout, perhaps the spotlight should fall on him. Most of the 2013 players were scouted before Baldini even got to the club, we made a bid for Soldado that failed in a previous window. There was Itk way before Baldini got there that Sherwood wanted us to buy Eriksen,

When he watched Eriksen play at Wembley when he was about 12...

 

[shelfboy68]

Southampton conceded less than we did last season, and only five more than Arsenal.

Apart from teams that go down everyone concedes less than us but we did get spanked a number of times last year didnt we.
However thanks for providing the info though but i still think pochs system has more flaws than positives.

 

[Locotoro]

No he didnt, Eric Dier assisted both.

I stand corrected, I was thinking of Dier

 

[gerishep]

So we can use that same logic and say if Vertonghen had defended better Mason wouldn't of been put in that position to cracking back.

Whats your point....Davies mistake directly cost us a goal.

He also cost the 2nd goal, his inadequate header went straight to a saints player 3 passes later it was in the back of the net. Having said that he still deserves a chance just as Bale did when he was crap.

 

[Eddy4956]

I stand corrected, I was thinking of Dier

But Davies did set up both goals .... for Soton...

 

[NEVILLEB]

I think a lot of us have run out of patience with what has been going on for years now and Im yet to be convinced by anything that comes out of the club.

The fatal flaw has been evident since the Jol era but most on here don't want to admit it.

Without stability and good judgement we're always going to self combust.

 

[N17Jack]

I'm glad someone who was at the game confirmed that. Looked like he had a worldy on the TV.

With all due respect to armchair supporters, the TV cameras follow the action. Watching a game live gives you the opportunity to watch players operating without the ball, you do and will always get a better understanding of an individuals performance by actually going to a game, believe it or not.

 

[mill]

With all due respect to armchair supporters, the TV cameras follow the action. Watching a game live gives you the opportunity to watch players operating without the ball, you do and will always get a better understanding of an individuals performance by actually going to a game, believe it or not.

Sarcasm?

 

[ethanedwards]

I know it's easy to be captain hindsight and Koeman is still very unproven as a manager but I can't help but think it would have been a master stroke from Levy had he had the foresight to take a chance on Koeman for us instead of robbing Southampton (like we tried to rob Villa of Benteke instead of recruiting such players before the likes of Villa do - our old system was working much better for us when we were the club given unproven gems the platform to become stars)

Wouldn't say he is unproven, plenty of experience in coaching, think he was at the Camp Nou for a few years coaching the youth as well.

 

[Shea]

Wouldn't say he is unproven, plenty of experience in coaching, think he was at the Camp Nou for a few years coaching the youth as well.

Yea but its a different kettle of fish to being a first team manager at a high level

Brian Kidd was very successful as a number two at one of the most successful teams in the World yet still incapable of being the number one

Koeman as a number one is relatively unproven as a top level manager as he's only had one season in the EPL

He has however been a manager for 15 years now so he's experienced and as you say was an assistant at Barca and the Dutch national teams

EPL proven only one season though as a number one before joining the Saints he had mixed success as a number one in Holland, Spain and Portugal

I think it would have been the more savvy/out the box appointment compared to Poch but Levy doesn't ever seem to get these appointments right - I can only hope that in the coming seasons Poch turns out to be a top manager for us