Southampton Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

[Mullers]

I thought Broomfield went when AVB came in?
I'm not sure you can absolve Baldini without any evidence of his scouting and then blame Broomfield without evidence on who he scouted before he left.

You're right about Broomfield so perhaps the focus should turn to him for last summer's signings.
I've been frequently told that Baldini is not a scout. Commoli said that our scouting system was a joke.

 

[worcestersauce]

So we can use that same logic and say if Vertonghen had defended better Mason wouldn't of been put in that position to cracking back.

Whats your point....Davies mistake directly cost us a goal.

Not really, all danger was averted when Fazio had dispossessd Mane and Mason stood with the ball, with time and with space then turned into danger, had he not done so he wouldn't have put himself under pressure, turned and fell over.
Davies didn't do what he should have done under pressure but he was put under pressure unnecessarily is my point.

 

[double0]

Not really, all danger was averted when Fazio had dispossessd Mane and Mason stood with the ball, with time and with space then turned into danger, had he not done so he wouldn't have put himself under pressure, turned and fell over.
Davies didn't do what he should have done under pressure but he was put under pressure unnecessarily is my point.

We're just gonna disagree on points for that first goal but in all truth it was a collective error, however unfortunate the last line of defence (Davies) really cooked it up.. Imo

If you really still insist on blaming Mason for the goal do you feel Lloris should of helped Davies out?

 

[Bulletspur]

So we can use that same logic and say if Vertonghen had defended better Mason wouldn't of been put in that position to cracking back.

Whats your point....Davies mistake directly cost us a goal.

Bollocks. Mason had time and space to clear but he decided to turn inwards when he slipped. I agree Davies should then put it in row Z but he is not entirely culpable

 

[spud]

Just a couple of things I'd like to say:

1. Bentaleb was outstanding. Our best player by some distance.

2. Mane gave one of the most outrageous performances of diving that I have ever seen. Every time one of our players went near him he threw himself to the ground - and the ref bought it every time. He got at least two of our players booked when in each instance it was him who deserved the yellow card. A disgraceful exhibition of cheating, and I hope that officials wise up to him soon.

 

[Blackrat1299]

can we appeal yellow cards?

 

[double0]

Bollocks. Mason had time and space to clear but he decided to turn inwards when he slipped. I agree Davies should then put it in row Z but he is not entirely culpable

Its better to discuss rather than dishing out disagrees.

Ok it was an unforgettable slip by Mason who should of done better and cleared his lines. Vertonghen too should of defended better in the build up to that goal imo... But you most be in real denail if you think Davies comes out smelling of roses

 

[N17Jack]

I was at the game today, I can confirm that Davies had a shocker. Not just the goal, everything. He is young but needs to improve big time.

 

[worcestersauce]

We're just gonna disagree on points for that first goal but in all truth it was a collective error, however unfortunate the last line of defence (Davies) really cooked it up.. Imo

If you really still insist on blaming Mason for the goal do you feel Lloris should of helped Davies out?

I'm not blaming Mason but to just blame Davies and argue that Mason was a helpless victim is just plain wrong, he must take responsibility for his part in it.
I don't think Lloris should have helped Davies out no, but I think Davies seemed to think he would and that was the wrong decision.

 

[Locotoro]

I was at the game today, I can confirm that Davies had a shocker. Not just the goal, everything. He is young but needs to improve big time.

Didn't he play a major hand setting up both goals?

 

[mpickard2087]

As I said earlier, Mason should have just cleared it but what didn't help was that he had no option down the line to hit. We'd won the ball back after they had broken the length of the field, yet Kane and particularly Chadli were still strolling back, they hadn't even made the halfway line and showed no interest in receiving the ball/being an out ball down the left hand side and so Mason turned back on himself. He should have just had the composure to realise it just needed clearing and then if he needed to give someone a bollocking to do that after the event because he had no one to pass to, but we see now teams are asked to retain possession and its drilled into them so much that they often 'overplay'.

I'm not blaming Chadli/Kane for the goal, and some might think I've gone off on the wrong tangent, but for me it was an example that you need everyone working hard and putting in the runs at all times, as you don't know what will happen.

 

[double0]

I'm not blaming Mason but to just blame Davies and argue that Mason was a helpless victim is just plain wrong, he must take responsibility for his part in it.
I don't think Lloris should have helped Davies out no, but I think Davies seemed to think he would and that was the wrong decision.

Mason slipped, the pitch was unsafe others too slipped and suffered injuries.

The fact still remains Davies made two costly errors both resulting in goals....I find it interesting that you can portion blame to Mason yet say Lloris was right not to help Davies.

 

[sweetness]

That's why I doubt anyone would put Ings ahead of a player like Pellé, though. As good as Ings is, I think Pellé is currently better - especially with his aerial ability.

Pelle's better as a traditional target player, but he's been ineffective (to put it mildly) except for at the beginning of the season and the past few games.

Ings is interesting mostly for his potential and high workrate, rather than current form/ability, though he impressed me last year in the Championship. I still think he'd receive more first-team opportunities at Southampton. Hopefully he won't see it that way.

 

[Jaffer99]

We can't defend, simple and if MP Thinks we can play these way, will win f••k all, all good teams defend first, we can't, so forget about wining anything, he is not good enough.....

 

[The Scarecrow]

His delivery today was consistently fantastic, both deep crosses and through-balls.

I haven't even seen a Spurs player try a through-ball since Holtby left.

Bentaleb to Lamela vs. Newcastle.

 

[1882andallthat]

We return yet again to yet another unnecessary goal conceded this time the first goal of the game. ( as if we as the fans don't all know how how solve it, the answer is blindingly obvious ) The evidence is clear cut, why the f*ck the coaching staff and the players cannot see it is frankly beyond me. To keep repeating the same mistakes amounts to outright rank a*se stupidity !!!

It really is this clear, if you have the ball in a dangerous area near to your own goal or if you have the opportunity to clear the ball in a split second you must take it, this may not look pretty but it averts the goal threat. If that means belting it out of play then so be it.

It's almost as if our players and coaching staff think that because it doesn't look pretty to belt it out of play and that's not the Spurs way and it's beneath us. Time and time again this season it has happened. Frankly I'm getting sick and tired of this and so must many of us. FFS Spurs can you put a stop to it. I don't care if it doesn't look pretty it better than conceding unnecessary goals again and again !

Option 1 If you dwell on the ball or try to shield it in front of the ball with an on rushing opposition player and you get it wrong it ends up in a goal conceded or a serious threat and a free shot on goal in a dangerous area.
Option 2 If you are decisive and you clout it out it may not look pretty but on 99% of occasions it averts the immediate danger and gives the defence a proper opportunity to re-group.
I will put it to a vote : what is the better option ?

When we have the obvious answer can the staff on this site please pass this message onto our players and coaching staff and make sure the message is spelled out to every one of them loud and clear, and any player that does not follow this simple instruction should be made to personally apologise to the fans, and explain why they have done this yet again and be fined a weeks wages and these fines should be then paid to a deserving charity !!

 

[225]

Pelle's better as a traditional target player, but he's been ineffective (to put it mildly) except for at the beginning of the season and the past few games.

Ings is interesting mostly for his potential and high workrate, rather than current form/ability, though he impressed me last year in the Championship. I still think he'd receive more first-team opportunities at Southampton. Hopefully he won't see it that way.

Perhaps, but the same could be said of Kane since perhaps the NLD. He's scored goals, but hasn't been quite that effective. Good players always go through a phase of being 'found out', as in the opposition learning a way to shut them out - it's world class players that find a way to overcome that and become unplayable. Suarez went through similar early on at Liverpoll (first couple of season). Maybe Pellé might come through that, maybe Kane won't, it's all going to be about next season.

 

[Grapo2001]

I was at the game today, I can confirm that Davies had a shocker. Not just the goal, everything. He is young but needs to improve big time.

I'm glad someone who was at the game confirmed that. Looked like he had a worldy on the TV.

 

[sweetness]

Perhaps, but the same could be said of Kane since perhaps the NLD. He's scored goals, but hasn't been quite that effective. Good players always go through a phase of being 'found out', as in the opposition learning a way to shut them out - it's world class players that find a way to overcome that and become unplayable. Suarez went through similar early on at Liverpoll (first couple of season). Maybe Pellé might come through that, maybe Kane won't, it's all going to be about next season.

In consideration of the number of games Kane's played and the lack of rotation, I think he's doing remarkably well. He desperately needs to get "injured" in June, but since I'm going to Prague for the U21 EC, let's hope he stays healthy...

 

[N17Jack]

Didn't he play a major hand setting up both goals?

No he didnt, Eric Dier assisted both.