Spurs have bid 25 mil for Carroll

[Maske2g]

But for every Kezman, there is a van Nistelrooy, Bergkamp, VDV, van Persie.

Sorry I must have missed the bit where Bergkamp proved himself at Inter and VDV proved himself in Germany and Spain despite opportunity.

Van Persie didn't do anything in Holland.

Ruud is the obvious exception, but another telling thing hear is, those players are dutch, and coming to England is easier for them.

 

[Maske2g]

Seriously, this argument doesn't hold much weight as look at the dutch players that have succeeded in the EPL Berkamp, VDV, RVN, Robben RVP etc..Also, the list is endless when you look at players that have done really well in the EPL for a team, then transferred and have been utter shite. Have a look in your own backyard; Bentley, Bent, Keane etc...

There are many factors to be considered, and to look at in black & white terms 'is the player proven in the EPL' is fuzzy logic.

Since when were Alves, Kezman or Suarez dutch?

Keane WAS a great player, his legs have clearly gone. Not like he had ample opportunity in Inter when he was a boy.

Bent has never been shit. He has scored goals everywhere he has been. Just like our forwards, he is a 1 trick pony, just so happens his trick is putting the ball in the net. Better goals per minute than MOST strikers in our PL history, you like the others found it hard to rate him because we were spoilt by Berbatov.

 

[brett.spurs]

I can see us offering £30m on Monday, take it or leave it style.

Ridiculous.

 

[alpha]

SSince when were Alves, Kezman or Suarez dutch?

You tell me?!?

the argument here is players either coming from another league that haven't yet proven themselves in the EPL.

 

[alpha]

Since when were Alves, Kezman or Suarez dutch?

Keane WAS a great player, his legs have clearly gone. Not like he had ample opportunity in Inter when he was a boy.

Bent has never been shit. He has scored goals everywhere he has been. Just like our forwards, he is a 1 trick pony, just so happens his trick is putting the ball in the net. Better goals per minute than MOST strikers in our PL history, you like the others found it hard to rate him because we were spoilt by Berbatov.

Well you would have to ask Harry about this?

 

[Hoowl]

The right type of player to fill the hole in the team. I haven't seen him enough to know if he's of the right quality but if harry has told levy he wants him, bent is a marker for the fee.

 

[worcestersauce]

I think we need to come to terms with the fact that Caroll is English and plays for an English team and Newcastle at that, and so is absolute crap, had he been foreign preferably latin or with a name ending in 'ic' playing somewhere abroad he would be the dogs bollocks and worth anything we could possibly pay for him and more.
There you go, I think that sums up most people's attitude. Too many people spend so much time hating other sides and their players that they can't accept them when we buy them.

 

[StartingPrice]

Sorry I must have missed the bit where Bergkamp proved himself at Inter and VDV proved himself in Germany and Spain despite opportunity.

Van Persie didn't do anything in Holland.

Ruud is the obvious exception, but another telling thing hear is, those players are dutch, and coming to England is easier for them.

This IS a joke...surely:duh:

Rafa was a leg-end at Hamburg, and is still loved by them, which I would guess is why Real were prepared to part with hard cash for him.

To claim that he didn't despite opportunity is ludicrous. The Real fans were massively disappointed to see him go - would that be the case if he had, and blew, lots of concrete opportnities:shrug: Mourinho didn't want him to be sold, he was the victim of (ridiculous) Real politicking.

 

[cozzo]

We are so stupid sometimes! If one day Harry says that we are not after any strikers and then the next day we get a bid rejected we look so silly. At least get the bid accepted if we are gonna smash our transfer record to bits!

 

[Lilbaz]

Is the argument about Carroll that he's only played well for the last 18 months? You could say the same for Bale and how much would you sell him for?

 

[cozzo]

Is the argument about Carroll that he's only played well for the last 18 months? You could say the same for Bale and how much would you sell him for?

I don't think Carroll has been that great, its just that he is English and young.

 

[Winchy85]

11 Premier League goals before Christmas. He's done something right.

 

[worcestersauce]

Does he score with his head? It'd be nice to have someone who can score with his head, at the moment the only one we've got is the poor sod who puts the crosses in.

 

[alpha]

I think we need to come to terms with the fact that Caroll is English and plays for an English team and Newcastle at that, and so is absolute crap, had he been foreign preferably latin or with a name ending in 'ic' playing somewhere abroad he would be the dogs bollocks and worth anything we could possibly pay for him and more.
There you go, I think that sums up most people's attitude. Too many people spend so much time hating other sides and their players that they can't accept them when we buy them.

Michael Ricketts did the same for Bolton at the same age. I guess we should have spent £30m on him then.

I think Carroll is good, don't get me wrong and the fact that he is English is a plus, albiet it doesn't mean he will justify the price tag being bandied around.

I'm also not adverse to buying Carroll, but for 25-30m surely we can do better?!? And, the more I watch him I can't help thinking he's a Duncan Ferguson Mk2

With English players like Rooney & Owen when they first broke though at the age of 17/18, (much younger than Carroll already is) and to have spent c25m on them after 6 months or so, I'm sure many fans on here would have been more than happy. .

When Manure bought Rooney he hadn't been playing for Everton 1st team for that long but you could see he was in a completely different class to Carroll.

Like many on this board, they can see more potential in the likes of Hulk, Lukaku and Suarez (though may not have fitted in to our current set up) etc.

As for Hulk, he has all the perfect attributes that Spurs need, except he is NOT English and has not played 4/5 months in the EPL. But, should this be counted against him with the lame 'he hasn't done it in the EPL arguement'??!??!

At the end of the day all players that demand a hefty transfer fee are a risk and 25m on Carroll is a risk, for a player that looks set to be the next Duncan Ferguson,

 

[Maske2g]

This IS a joke...surely:duh:

Rafa was a leg-end at Hamburg, and is still loved by them, which I would guess is why Real were prepared to part with hard cash for him.

To claim that he didn't despite opportunity is ludicrous. The Real fans were massively disappointed to see him go - would that be the case if he had, and blew, lots of concrete opportnities:shrug: Mourinho didn't want him to be sold, he was the victim of (ridiculous) Real politicking.

It was sarcasm dude.....The 'despite opportunity" referred to the Real stint .....he was a success despite lack of opportunities.....

 

[Maske2g]

11 Premier League goals before Christmas. He's done something right.

Here here, with service from Routledge, Barton, Smith, and jonas 'feint to cross 3 times before I do" Gutierrez

 

[StartingPrice]

It was sarcasm dude.....The 'despite opportunity" referred to the Real stint dude.....he was a success despite opportunities.....

Sorry, then...but you really should have worded it better. The problem is that Bergkamp didn't prove himself at Inter, so I read it as saying exactly what it did...both failed in Germany/Spain/Italy, and you were being sarcastic in saying you missed that but it did, in fact, happen.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

The Dunc Comparison is so lazy, if you actually watch Carroll's goals then Ferguson had neither the skill nor composure to score like that. Carroll scores glanced headers, looping headers, powerful headers where he puts his body on the line. He takes the ball round goalkeepers, he dinks the ball over goal keepers, he poaches at the ends of moves (some of which he actually starts with a pretty decent crossfield pass by the way, like his third v Villa), he shifts and shoots, he hits it from distance, he places the ball into the corner, he scores with his weaker foot too. He had a brilliant array of different types of goal, he is a born finisher.

On top of all of that, he has those great Duncan Ferguson qualities of being able to win everything with his back to goal unless marshalled superbly (thank you Michael Dawson and Younes Kaboul), he has more pace than people give him credit for (Certainly more than all of Keane, Crouch and Pav), his first touch is pretty good, especially in the box, and he plays with his head up.

The guy is raw, but there is not one ingredient which he has not shown, and that is in a side who are not particularly good. Surround him with Modric, VDV, Bale and Lennon and you've got a striker of potentially stellar proportions.


Oh, but I fogot, we could find a European player who is just as good for cheaper, couldn't we?

 

[StartingPrice]

The Dunc Comparison is so lazy, if you actually watch Carroll's goals then Ferguson had neither the skill nor composure to score like that. Carroll scores glanced headers, looping headers, powerful headers where he puts his body on the line. He takes the ball round goalkeepers, he dinks the ball over goal keepers, he poaches at the ends of moves (some of which he actually starts with a pretty decent crossfield pass by the way, like his third v Villa), he shifts and shoots, he hits it from distance, he places the ball into the corner, he scores with his weaker foot too. He had a brilliant array of different types of goal, he is a born finisher.

On top of all of that, he has those great Duncan Ferguson qualities of being able to win everything with his back to goal unless marshalled superbly (thank you Michael Dawson and Younes Kaboul), he has more pace than people give him credit for (Certainly more than all of Keane, Crouch and Pav), his first touch is pretty good, especially in the box, and he plays with his head up.

The guy is raw, but there is not one ingredient which he has not shown, and that is in a side who are not particularly good. Surround him with Modric, VDV, Bale and Lennon and you've got a striker of potentially stellar proportions.


Oh, but I fogot, we could find a European player who is just as good for cheaper, couldn't we?

This.

It's the media syndrome (I think), folk (young folk:shrug spend so much of their lives now watching football on TV, and particularly foreign football,that they seem to imagine they really are experts. People who get paid a fortune for their footballing knowledge rate him for the reasons BBLG gives here, pulling out then name of a foreign 'star' who you have seen playing 'quite well' a couple of times as a foil for (often) petty judgements against players like Carroll...well, it's quite sad, really.

 

[sigurdl]

Sorry I must have missed the bit where Bergkamp proved himself at Inter and VDV proved himself in Germany and Spain despite opportunity.

Van Persie didn't do anything in Holland.

Ruud is the obvious exception, but another telling thing hear is, those players are dutch, and coming to England is easier for them.

Bergkamp was shit at Inter. This is well documented.