Spurs have bid 25 mil for Carroll
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RobinLeonard
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Going to my old home town, alot of players go there. Puyol, Ibrahimovic and so on...
edit: Haha, odd post. My point being that it's not usually "broken" players that go to Umeå.
I think potentially this would be better value for money than the Suarez deal.
We need someone to lead the line, Carroll can clearly do this. Someone who is going to challenge for everything, is happy to play for the team in bringing the ball down, holding it up and bringing the midfield into the game.
£25m would be a gamble and a half, but I think it's worth the gamble. If he scores 15 in the Premiership I would be happy, look what he's done so far with Newcastle, add on to that his assists or his build up to assists (stats on this would be interesting, a nightmare obviously but players don't get enough credit for them getting the ball, releasing a player into space who then assists the goalscorer who has found the space the other side of the box!).
I would be happy with an over the odds signing like this.
I was also happy when we spent a fuck load on Darren Bent though.
We need someone to lead the line, Carroll can clearly do this. Someone who is going to challenge for everything, is happy to play for the team in bringing the ball down, holding it up and bringing the midfield into the game.
£25m would be a gamble and a half, but I think it's worth the gamble. If he scores 15 in the Premiership I would be happy, look what he's done so far with Newcastle, add on to that his assists or his build up to assists (stats on this would be interesting, a nightmare obviously but players don't get enough credit for them getting the ball, releasing a player into space who then assists the goalscorer who has found the space the other side of the box!).
I would be happy with an over the odds signing like this.
I was also happy when we spent a fuck load on Darren Bent though.
lloydi200182
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If he can bring VDV and modders into the game in attacking position as well as notch more goals for himself than crouch then I could be persuaded, He needs to cut that hair though if he wants to live in London, maybe send him to Ginolas hairdresser lol
BuffaloSid
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carrol + VDV would bbe more productive than VDV + any of our current strinkes.
thats the bottom line.
thats the bottom line.
Krafty
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I like Carroll, I think he has the abilities to be a top PL striker, and a good international striker. If he joined us and continued to show the determination and desire he displays when playing for Newcastle, then he would be an excellent signing and would become an upgrade on Crouch and Pav.
But 25 mill is too much. I wouldnt want to pay more than 15 mill top, unless the rest was depandant on CL qualification, games, goals, trophies etc.
But 25 mill is too much. I wouldnt want to pay more than 15 mill top, unless the rest was depandant on CL qualification, games, goals, trophies etc.
StartingPrice
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I strongly suspect that Carroll was the No.1 target all along, and that Aitch's talk of not getting a striker in was because he thought there was nothing doin'.
It is a lot of money, but there is always a premium for English players, he has proved he can cut it (in his first season) in the Prem playing for a (quite frankly) pants team
grin, he is young and will improve, and I believe he will fit into our team far better than Suarez will into the Scousers.
It is a lot of money, but there is always a premium for English players, he has proved he can cut it (in his first season) in the Prem playing for a (quite frankly) pants team
grin, he is young and will improve, and I believe he will fit into our team far better than Suarez will into the Scousers.
dontcallme
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I think we've been fnancially sensible for a long time and it has taken us a long way.
We aren't attracting genuine top talent and we need a striker to give defences a really hard time.
Keane is leaving, Pav rarely gets a chance and top defences deal with Crouch and Defoe without breaking sweat.
We need to take a risk and if that means paying over the odds then fine.
In the summer we can sell 5 or 6 players who never play anyway and recoup a lot of money and save a lot on the wage bill.
We aren't attracting genuine top talent and we need a striker to give defences a really hard time.
Keane is leaving, Pav rarely gets a chance and top defences deal with Crouch and Defoe without breaking sweat.
We need to take a risk and if that means paying over the odds then fine.
In the summer we can sell 5 or 6 players who never play anyway and recoup a lot of money and save a lot on the wage bill.
dontcallme
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Because we've seen with our own eyes what happens to clubs who don't run a financially sensible business plan.
Leeds is the extreme and one of the major clubs in England who are now struggling to get back to the Prem after almost a decade of decline as a result of financial mis-management.
Newcastle and West Ham both paid huge wages to players who weren't worth it. Newcastle put all their money into the first team squad while thngs were going well. Once the first team couldn't get into the CL they didn't have the funds to maintain their squad and after a few years of struggling they got relegated.
Finances play a massive part in football and often contribute
dominantly to the success of a club.
Thinking we shouldn't be concerned about our finances and where the club's money goes because it "isn't our money" s beyond ridiculous.
dontcallme
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Another thing with this deal is I believe we could tempt them with Crouch as part of the deal.
Loan deals rarely happen because the club selling has to want the player being offered and the player has to agree to join that club when there are likely to be offers from other clubs that are more attractive.
Newcastle could potentially want Crouch as a replacement and Newcastle would happily pay the wages and Crouch is unlikely to get a better offer than Newcastle.
It could be a winner.
Loan deals rarely happen because the club selling has to want the player being offered and the player has to agree to join that club when there are likely to be offers from other clubs that are more attractive.
Newcastle could potentially want Crouch as a replacement and Newcastle would happily pay the wages and Crouch is unlikely to get a better offer than Newcastle.
It could be a winner.
nightgoat
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I'm not convinced Carroll is as good as a lot of people make out, and whether or not he'll improve us that dramatically... Obviously stats for the first half of the season suggest if we'd had him in the team we'd probably have maybe 5 or 6 points more at this stage, but we have no idea if he's the sort that will get found out easily and then be as effective as Crouch...
Dawson had him in his pocket the whole game at WHL, and Carroll started getting frustrated and falling over trying to get free kicks which in part led to our second goal...
Dawson had him in his pocket the whole game at WHL, and Carroll started getting frustrated and falling over trying to get free kicks which in part led to our second goal...
dontcallme
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People need to get off this "Dawon had Carroll in his pocket" stuff. Carroll was carrying an injury and was struggling. He has been out ever since.
Buying Carroll is a risk but we shouldn't be desperate for him half a good season anymore than we should write him off based on one game when he was carrying an injury.
godemand
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Christ no! Way too much money for such a one-dimensional player. I've always thought of Carrol as a young Kevin Davis with a ponytail, which is supported by the quote below:
He might be a slightly improved version of Crouch, i.e. he scores goals, but still, I really hope we don't sign him for silly money.
He might be a slightly improved version of Crouch, i.e. he scores goals, but still, I really hope we don't sign him for silly money.
alpha
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Bent had a good couple of seasons in the Premier League under his belt, playing for a side (Charlton) no better than the Barcodes currently are and even though people could argue that he has EPL experience he still ended up being a flop when he transferred to Spurs missing sitters that Sandra could have put away.
Carroll has only being playing 4/5 months in the EPL, and yet somehow he is valued at £23m (according to Spurs' last bid). On the other hand we have a player in Suarez with more experience (ok, not in the EPL, but does that really matter?!?!) whom has just gone to Liverpool for the same amount. I can only assume Suarez just isn't the type of player Harry is looking for now we have VDV. As I doubt it was wages, as I am sure someone that was on 30/40k for Ajax would be happy with 60/70k for Spurs.
Anyway, the main point is what is stopping us buying a player that is proven season in and season out, Champions League & International experience has all the right attributes to succeed in the EPL and is young enough to to hold his transfer value? I really cannot fathom why we would submit a bid for Carroll and not Hulk, this for me really has turned into the Krypton Factor in trying to figure this out.
Surely Hulk is more suited anyway than Carroll to the EPL?!?!
Carroll has only being playing 4/5 months in the EPL, and yet somehow he is valued at £23m (according to Spurs' last bid). On the other hand we have a player in Suarez with more experience (ok, not in the EPL, but does that really matter?!?!) whom has just gone to Liverpool for the same amount. I can only assume Suarez just isn't the type of player Harry is looking for now we have VDV. As I doubt it was wages, as I am sure someone that was on 30/40k for Ajax would be happy with 60/70k for Spurs.
Anyway, the main point is what is stopping us buying a player that is proven season in and season out, Champions League & International experience has all the right attributes to succeed in the EPL and is young enough to to hold his transfer value? I really cannot fathom why we would submit a bid for Carroll and not Hulk, this for me really has turned into the Krypton Factor in trying to figure this out.
Surely Hulk is more suited anyway than Carroll to the EPL?!?!
StartingPrice
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There are all types of variables that go into a transfer fee.
We paid £10 million for Gareth Bale when he was virtually untried in the Championship and only 17 (albeit we got off with a huge chunk of it:beer. That was because it was widely recognised that he had immense potential. This is factored in to any fee. My suspicion is that the professionals who are actually making these decisions value him more highly and see far more potential in him than some Spurs fans he see him a couple of times a season and some highlights (I am guessing, apologies in advance to anyone who has watched every barcodes gamemg.
We paid £10 million for Gareth Bale when he was virtually untried in the Championship and only 17 (albeit we got off with a huge chunk of it:beer
. That was because it was widely recognised that he had immense potential. This is factored in to any fee. My suspicion is that the professionals who are actually making these decisions value him more highly and see far more potential in him than some Spurs fans he see him a couple of times a season and some highlights (I am guessing, apologies in advance to anyone who has watched every barcodes gamemg.
Ask Kezman, Alves, and Kuyt if it matters. All 35 goal a season men in Holland, all shit or average everywhere else they have been.
The_Viking
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But for every Kezman, there is a van Nistelrooy, Bergkamp, VDV, van Persie.
alpha
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Seriously, this argument doesn't hold much weight as look at the dutch players that have succeeded in the EPL Berkamp, VDV, RVN, Robben RVP etc..Also, the list is endless when you look at players that have done really well in the EPL for a team, then transferred and have been utter shite. Have a look in your own backyard; Bentley, Bent, Keane etc...
There are many factors to be considered, and to look at in black & white terms 'is the player proven in the EPL' is fuzzy logic.
