spurs in talks about Modric

[diegooners]

havn't seen a lot of him. From that clip he looks like Steed with a bit more quality...

 

[DoublePivot]

just because he wont be great in his first year doesnt mean we shouldnt buy him. If the club thought like that we'd be mediocre forever!

You can't but potential at 18 million pounds. That's what I am trying to get at. He has to slot in right away and be amazing. He won't be. Not at first and then he will become hated and it will turn into a mess.

I agree totally with the sentiment that we need to buy potential and that we can't skimp at times. But until we are in the UCL, expectations won't allow potential at such prices. They won't even allow 8 million pounds on Kaboul.

As tru said below , look at Bent. He was cheaper than the current asking price of Modric and he's been panned heavily. At least 50% would probably vote to cut our losses on Bent and he hasn't even had a full year (and he's scored a decent amount of goals for a 4th striker).

But from what I read on here most SC posters think Darrent Bent is useless and was a waste of money. :bang:

In the long run, he would be one of the 15 most expensive signings in EPL history

Andriy Shevchenko

AC Milan​

Chelsea​

30.0​

Rio Ferdinand

Leeds​

Man U​

29.1​

Juan Sebastian Veron

Lazio​

Man U​

28.1​

Wayne Rooney

Everton​

Man U​

27.0​

Michael Essien

Lyon​

Chelsea​

26.0​

Didier Drogba

Marseille​

Chelsea​

24.0​

Shaun Wright-Phillips

Man City​

Chelsea​

21.0​

Ricardo Carvalho

Porto​

Chelsea​

19.85​

Ruud Van Nistelroy

PSV​

Man U​

19.0​

Michael Carrick

Tottenham​

Man U​

18.6​

This was the top 10 list before last summer, with Hargreaves, Anderson and Torres jumping in to the top 10 this past year.

Are you telling me that this kid, who will need at least six months to settle in the Prem and in England, will be given time? Nobody on that list except Anderson and Rooney was bought for potential. They may have failed, but everyone there was expected to produce immediately.

 

[talkshowhost86]

JJ: A good attacking midfielder...once every five games

Hi TSH - completely disagree with that statement re JJ - I'd say he has a good game something like 1 in 2 and an acceptable or better game 2 out of three games,

that's nowhere near one in 5 - yes he had a blip recently due to injury problems - but normally JJ is one of our more consistently useful players - it's just a lot of his good work is ignored, often by people with an agenda against him

since comeing back he's played 1 game - was a good game

and of course often he's very good and sometimes as in the 5-1 - magnificent

There are various reasons why he's our best mid and one of them is because he plays more good games than bad

The thing for me with JJ is that I still see him primarily as an attacking midfielder. I agree fully that he does alot of work that doesn't get noticed and I actually think he's a damn site better a defensive midfielder than Zokora and Huddlestone put together.

The thing is he's not good enough ultimately to play that role. His passing and vision isn't good enough to sit in that role and distribute the ball whilst also picking off the opposition attacks.

He's at his best when he's attacking, but for me we only see that attacking spark in him once or twice every month and for me that's not enough.

He's definitely the best midfielder we have and I think if we put him alongside a good attacking midfielder or a good defensive midfielder maybe we'd see the best of him a bit more often.

I do think there are better and more consistent options available though.

 

[DC_Boy]

fair enough TSH all good valid points - but please I just ask you and others don't judge JJ on what you want him to be - judge him on what he is

 

[talkshowhost86]

fair enough TSH all good valid points - but please I just ask you and others don't judge JJ on what you want him to be - judge him on what he is

But what is he? That's the problem for me. He's not a defensive midfielder for me.

 

[DC_Boy]

But what is he? That's the problem for me. He's not a defensive midfielder for me.

he's a box to box midfield player who covers a tremendous amount of ground, who wins possession quite often as part of this (he's not a great tackler - but check his balls won stats in the telegraph - normally they stand comparison with other players)

he both scores and makes goals - he's our leading mid this season with regard to this

6 + 10 compared to Hudd's 4 + 10 Steeds 6 + 6 Lennon's 3+6 (courtesy of the good Spurs site I mention in another thread - hope they're right) - I won't bother with Zokora's

he makes a lot of passes in a game usualy with good accuracy - one of the many reasons doubtless why he is rated our top mid by Actim - how about that for the moment

 

[yanno]

he's a box to box midfield player who covers a tremendous amount of ground, who wins possession quite often as part of this (he's not a great tackler - but check his balls won stats in the telegraph - normally they stand comparison with other players)

Hi DC_Boy

I agree with you that JJ is a box-to-box CM. And imo that is precisely the problem Ramos has with him. In Ramos' Sevilla 4-4-2, it's the wide players who have licence to get forward, and the CMs both need to be disciplined, picking and choosing their forward runs. I think JJ has adapted pretty well to this more disciplined role under Juande, but it's not ideal for him.

Now, if Ramos were to switch to three CMs, then the ACM would probably need to be a more creative user of the ball - eg Diego, van der Vaart, Riquelme - than JJ. I don't think Ramos will play a 3-man CM with JJ as the main attacking force.

I could be wrong, but my suspicion is that Juande's problem with JJ is a classic square holes & round pegs one. Which is why if Sven offers a lorryload of Thai cash, I suspect Ramos would take it and buy a player like Modric who suits his system more.

 

[talkshowhost86]

he's a box to box midfield player who covers a tremendous amount of ground, who wins possession quite often as part of this (he's not a great tackler - but check his balls won stats in the telegraph - normally they stand comparison with other players)

he both scores and makes goals - he's our leading mid this season with regard to this

6 + 10 compared to Hudd's 4 + 10 Steeds 6 + 6 Lennon's 3+6 (courtesy of the good Spurs site I mention in another thread - hope they're right) - I won't bother with Zokora's

he makes a lot of passes in a game usualy with good accuracy - one of the many reasons doubtless why he is rated our top mid by Actim - how about that for the moment

If you actually look at the passes he makes though they are often sideways and not really very inventive.

I do feel sorry for him because he has to play alongside awful midfielders most of the time and like I said if he has someone decent alongside him then maybe we'll see more.

I just don't think he's good enough as a defensive midfielder (the number of goals we concede testifies to that) and he needs to get forwards more often to be a top four player in that position.

 

[Mullers]

I thought eastern European players are cheaper than that. !8 million is a big gamble.

When the word premiership is mentioned prices go up 200/300%.

 

[DC_Boy]

Hi DC_Boy

I agree with you that JJ is a box-to-box CM. And imo that is precisely the problem Ramos has with him. In Ramos' Sevilla 4-4-2, it's the wide players who have licence to get forward, and the CMs both need to be disciplined, picking and choosing their forward runs. I think JJ has adapted pretty well to this more disciplined role under Juande, but it's not ideal for him.

Now, if Ramos were to switch to three CMs, then the ACM would probably need to be a more creative user of the ball - eg Diego, van der Vaart, Riquelme - than JJ. I don't think Ramos will play a 3-man CM with JJ as the main attacking force.

I could be wrong, but my suspicion is that Juande's problem with JJ is a classic square holes & round pegs one. Which is why if Sven offers a lorryload of Thai cash, I suspect Ramos would take it and buy a player like Modric who suits his system more.

Fair comments yanno - time will tell - I predict JJ will be with us next season and be one of JR's key mid players

and TSH - again all valid points - as we know JJ splits opinions massively (I'm having another argument - oops debate on the front page on the same topic

I'm firmly in the pro-JJ camp and it will take an awful lot to shift me from there

 

[Spursking]

Modric is a great player, but I think the price mentioned is too high. Allthough, he is a fantastic player, who would improve us.

 

[paul_1979yid]

I still think it's a massive priority. All the top teams have a defensive midfielder.

Carrick/Hargreaves
Flamini/Silva
Makalele/Mikel
Mascherano/Alonso (sort of)

The ideal is two wider players, one defensive minded midfielder and one creative midfielder.

We currently have:

Lennon: A wide player who seems to have lost the ability to go past people and cross it.

Steed: A central player playing out of position (albeit very well)

JJ: A good attacking midfielder...once every five games

Zokora: No comment

Hudd: Too slow


So arguably we need a new player in each midfield position.

and they always have had.....Roy Keane, Vieira etc

I think we need to buy that kind of player before we can consider breaking into the top 4. Not sure who though!

 

[Lilywhite_Bixo]

and they always have had.....Roy Keane, Vieira etc

I think we need to buy that kind of player before we can consider breaking into the top 4. Not sure who though!

Would like us to get Albelda for a season or two, should be possible with the Juande connection, and his problems with Valencia..

A really good experienced player who can mentor some of our younger players, like Naybet and Davids did before.. If his experience and skills can help us break the top four in those two seasons it may then put us in a position where we can buy that sort of player when he is in his prime..

 

[MattWilliams]

Modric is undoubtadely a fantastic player. Still, top of my hit list would be Miguel Veloso. United's interest must have cooled and he is a fairly similar player to Carrick. So either / either would do nicely thanks. Whack him in alongside JJ and then two creative, tricky types out wide such as Capel and Modric and we'd be doing nicely. Although perhaps a cool £60m down before we've even started looking at a new GK and centre back.

 

[ShelfSide18]

I'm dreaming but I'd love to raid merseyside and get Arteta and Alonso...we could offer them safer parking?

 

[Bill_Oddie]

Some interesting names throw about.

I haven't seen too much of them, but perhaps half a dozen games (which may be more than most on here, although politeness forbids me from mentioning that out loud), and in my view:

Arshavin > Modric > Bentley > Jenas > Most other players in the world.

On the defensive foil, Albelda seems ideal - good shout Lilywhite - but although ti worked with SuperEd and Naybet, will he not also need some time to settle himself? This league is pretty harsh, and it would be a disaster to pin our hopes on a guy who can't get up to speed immediately (and it would have to be immediately). I hope not, and as I say, this is 100% the player I'd like to see at the Lane.

Veloso impresses me. But he does make the odd mistake. The kind that would earn him cult/hated figure status at the Lane, I fear. I must admit, I was more impressed with KPB when I've seen him at younger level. That boy has the lot. He's just playing in our first team as if he's the demented lovechild of Steffen Freund and Stephen Hawking.

 

[THOWIG]

For me the best option is Christian Poulsen. Rate him very highly.

I'd be prepared to give Boateng another season.

 

[tRiKS]

If we sign modric it will be as a no.10 in a simialr way to if we went for Riquellme (who i'd have instead despite the age becasue it would be proper bo! to have riquellme in a spurs shirt) and that for me would indicate Berbatov is leaving and i'd have berbatov over either of them.

As we've all managed to turn this into another list of CM's we need/want. I agree with Poulson as a good holder/destroyer and would add Raphel Whickey (not sure of spelling) Kim Kallstrom and Michael Carrick to my prefered list.

Am also a JJ fan although propably less secure so than DC is.

 

[Bill_Oddie]

Am also a JJ fan although propably less secure so than DC is.

Me too. Although that wouldn't be hard. Next name change, he's already pencilled himself down for 'MrsJenas'.


Just jokes, Mr DC. :up:

 

[onthetwo]

i believe we could get Granero AND Albelda for less than 18m.