Spurs vs Everton - POSTPONED

[SpurSince57]

At the moment the High Road is still closed between White Hart Lane and Seven Sisters. The demolition crews have been working on the wreck of the carpet store since yesterday, but I'd say it's going to be Thursday before the site is cleared. There are several other properties that are going to have to be demolished, and many, many more that have to be made safe. This is the real problem, not further disturbances (which I'd say are pretty unlikely).

 

[whitelightwhiteheat]

I'm really worried for the area. Fuck the football for a minute. Tottenham as an area is on it's arse as it is. Or "deprived" as the affluent silver-spoon mother-fuckers in Government would have it.

What damage has been done this week? Something needs to be done to help it out. Though any plans right now would be a disaster if it's just going to be smashed up again within the next 12-18 months.

 

[tommo84]

I don't think the need to make some of the buildings on the High Road safe will prevent the game going ahead. What will cause it to be postponed is if the perceived threat of further 'unrest' in both Haringey and the surrounding boroughs (namely Enfield and Hackney) continues to be high.

The calm in London tonight gives us hope that the game will go ahead, but obviously much could change in the next few days and any more trouble in London is likely to mean all London fixtures will be called off.

What I now think is unlikely is the scenario whereby ours is the only game to be postponed.

 

[SpurSince57]

I don't think the need to make some of the buildings on the High Road safe will prevent the game going ahead. What will cause it to be postponed is if the perceived threat of further 'unrest' in both Haringey and the surrounding boroughs (namely Enfield and Hackney) continues to be high.

The calm in London tonight gives us hope that the game will go ahead, but obviously much could change in the next few days and any more trouble in London is likely to mean all London fixtures will be called off.

What I now think is unlikely is the scenario whereby ours is the only game to be postponed.

So you've been to Tottenham since Saturday? :shrug:

 

[tommo84]

So you've been to Tottenham since Saturday? :shrug:

No but I would presume those buildings are in no worse a state than they were on Monday when the club issued its statement that the game was still on, and the fact that the joint statement by the FA and Premier League makes special reference to the 'dynamism' of the situation suggests that they believe the volatility of the situation and the possible need for police resources to be deployed elsewhere pose the biggest threat to games going ahead.

 

[Chimbo!]

considering the riots in london died down today, the prospect of the game going ahead looks more promising.

but I think that will depend ultimately on how thursday and friday go.

 

[tommo84]

considering the riots in london died down today, the prospect of the game going ahead looks more promising.

but I think that will depend ultimately on how thursday and friday go.

This - though as they are issuing a statement on Thursday there is a very real possibility that any big trouble tomorrow night will force their hand. I'm sure there will be pressure for them to make an early decision which could work against us in terms of getting the game on.

 

[SpurSince57]

No but I would presume those buildings are in no worse a state than they were on Monday when the club issued its statement that the game was still on, and the fact that the joint statement by the FA and Premier League makes special reference to the 'dynamism' of the situation suggests that they believe the volatility of the situation and the possible need for police resources to be deployed elsewhere pose the biggest threat to games going ahead.

You can presume all you like, but I happen to live in Tottenham and can tell you that until the damaged buildings are demolished or made safe the High Road will remain closed to traffic and pedestrians. I doubt the Premier League had the first idea of the extent of the damage, and I'm not sure the powers-that-be at the club did either.

 

[ThorntonSpur]

i can understand games at night being closed in the current climate but to cancel sporting events during the day tells me that london is not safe full stop. it means that you cant go shopping in oxford street etc.

i would expect it to go ahead.

 

[Mr Pink]

You can presume all you like, but I happen to live in Tottenham and can tell you that until the damaged buildings are demolished or made safe the High Road will remain closed to traffic and pedestrians. I doubt the Premier League had the first idea of the extent of the damage, and I'm not sure the powers-that-be at the club did either.

Do you expect the road might be risk free, damage cleared up etc, by Thursday? If you do I would expect the game to go ahead if there hasn't been anymore unrest in the area from now to then :shrug:

 

[tommo84]

You can presume all you like, but I happen to live in Tottenham and can tell you that until the damaged buildings are demolished or made safe the High Road will remain closed to traffic and pedestrians. I doubt the Premier League had the first idea of the extent of the damage, and I'm not sure the powers-that-be at the club did either.

If its possible for people to get off at Seven Sisters (from what I can see on TFL's website the station is still open) or White Hart Lane station and walk from either station to the stadium, with no heightened threat of public disorder, then the game will go ahead with diversions set up so that pedestrians avoid the High Road.

If it isn't possible for pedestrians to get near the ground from any route and access all 4 sides of the ground then it may have to be called off, but I haven't seen any evidence that this is the case. Forgive me if I'm wrong on that.

 

[SpurSince57]

If its possible for people to get off at Seven Sisters (from what I can see on TFL's website the station is still open) or White Hart Lane station and walk from either station to the stadium, with no heightened threat of public disorder, then the game will go ahead with diversions set up so that pedestrians avoid the High Road.

If it isn't possible for pedestrians to get near the ground from any route and access all 4 sides of the ground then it may have to be called off, but I haven't seen any evidence that this is the case. Forgive me if I'm wrong on that.

You can walk from Seven Sisters, but only by a circuitous route via back streets. WHL is fine.

The disorder was caused by 300-400 wankers, some of whom weren't from Tottenham. I saw it kicking off before legging it home. I very much doubt they'd try it on with 30,000+ footy fans on the street. Policing is the other major issue.

I'd love the game to go ahead so we can say, 'Business as usual.'

 

[tommo84]

You can walk from Seven Sisters, but only by a circuitous route via back streets. WHL is fine.

The disorder was caused by 300-400 wankers, some of whom weren't from Tottenham. I saw it kicking off before legging it home. I very much doubt they'd try it on with 30,000+ footy fans on the street. Policing is the other major issue.

I'd love the game to go ahead so we can say, 'Business as usual.'

In that case, if the necessary police are available and the rioting elsewhere has died down, the club can just advise people that the High Road is closed and advise people take public transport all the way to WHL, rather than getting off at Seven Sisters (so basically treat it like the Victoria Line is closed, which is a regular occurrence).

Therefore it would be possible for the fans to avoid the stretch of the High Road where the buildings are unsafe/clean up is ongoing. Hence my original point that the state of those buildings will not prevent the game from going ahead - certainly not as the biggest single contributing factor anyways.

Do we agree?

 

[Wellspurs]

Looks like I will be going fishing Saturday after reading SS57's comments. We all know health and safety will demand if in doubt it's off. Being diverted through back roads etc sounds like too much hassel...just to get a football match on. They call matches off for ice remember (for Chelsea and Liverpool if they have injuries).
Also all the police will be resting not at footie matches Saturday afternoon ready for a possible riotous Saturday night.

 

[tommo84]

But the diversion would cause no greater hassle to fans than when the Victoria Line is shut. So if police believe they can prevent people from entering parts of High Road and set up diversions for pedestrians (which may already be in place) then I don't see that as sufficient reason alone to postpone the match. They could even just close Seven Sisters station for the day so that all fans have to go to WHL station or Northumberland Road.

 

[Wellspurs]

Tommo, the police will need a break by Saturday they will use any excuse to call the game off. Traffic around WHL on match days is bad enough without the High road being closed.

Everton on a Wednesday night in October/November with B&Y Rossi and Llorente?

 

[marvel]

Fackin hope not as it's my brother's birthday weekend, got all the family booked in a hotel and going to the mathc

 

[C0YS]

Its tough to call at the moment. we will find out in the coming days....

Personally I think it is most likely to be postponed, the police are seriously stretched as it is. Even presuming that the riots in London will die down or even finish before the game the police will probably still be on patrol for many more nights.

I would cancel games from All the cities with big riots (Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham and London), the rest should go ahead. I don't think there is any chance of the riots spreading into football games. Most of the people involved in the riots where opportunists and thus it is unlikely to last more then a few days on a uncontrollable level. But why take the risk for the sake of a football match? just leave it.

 

[KalSpur]

Its tough to call at the moment. we will find out in the coming days....

Personally I think it is most likely to be postponed, the police are seriously stretched as it is. Even presuming that the riots in London will die down or even finish before the game the police will probably still be on patrol for many more nights.

I would cancel games from All the cities with big riots (Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham and London), the rest should go ahead. I don't think there is any chance of the riots spreading into football games. Most of the people involved in the riots where opportunists and thus it is unlikely to last more then a few days on a uncontrollable level. But why take the risk for the sake of a football match? just leave it.

I agree. Also would free up policing resources for the riots. Even though riots will likely not spread to football games at least the police can attend to serious public disturbances without the "distraction" of having to police other events where large crowds of people will be gathering (even if peacefully).

 

[mattdefoe]

So realistically, on a scale of 1-10 whats the likleyhood of it getting called off?

We need a spell checker on here im scared off getting told off these days lol