Match Threads Spurs vs Liverpool - Match Day 7 - 30th Sept KO 5:30pm

[mcbridemartin]

Didn't Chris HOY get all the flak and abuse after because people got him mixed up with FOY?

Oh yes - forgot that as well LOL. I must have pushed all this into a dark place at the back of my memory banks. Chris Hoy from what I now recall took it all quite well.

 

[glacierSpurs]

So not only is he blatantly lying but given us and Liverpool have put out statements about the racist messages sent to Udogie (well they did in a half arsed way). He's fanning those flames again too.

The arrogant, disgusting, petulant, bitter little twat. Absolute vile creature.

Someone needs to shut the fuck of his mouth. It's mind-boggling how many Liverpool fans are going to get riled up again by such comments. It's getting cult-like scary. Klopp could tell their fans to eat shit for a replay to materialise and I would totally believe millions will eat.

 

[g_harry]

The media are facilitating this nonsense for their own gain.

It absolutely ridiculous that Klopp can make these claims in a press conference and go unchallenged. I would someone to have the balls to ask Klopp would he offer Spurs a replay of UCL final because of wrongful decision or offer Wolves a replay of their cup game last year for a goal that should have stood.

 

[Guernman]

What makes this different to other bad offside calls is the fact that VAR got it wrong. It is a new level of incompetence as opposed to a split-second call from the sideline.

However it's still ultimately human error deciding a football match. If there was a replay I'd be fucking done.

Personally I think the Mike Dean admission that he ignored Romero's hairpull on Cucurella moments before we equalised against Chelsea, pretty much because he didn't want to cause his friend additional agro, is much worse than what happened here. That decision also had a more definitive consequence on the game as there is no way we equalise seconds later in the last moments of the game if Romero was rightly red carded.

Goals were constantly incorrectly chalked off for offside before VAR, and had this goal been correctly given this time, we would still have had over an hour of play against 10 men to win the game. Not to mention that the goal they actually did score came from a free kick which shouldn't have been given. Liverpool are well and truly embarrasing themselves now, and have managed to squander virtually universal sympathy across all fans and pundits to now looking like entitled narcissists with their ridiculous club statement and now Klopp's truly staggering quotes.

 

[XIIIMPC]

VAR did NOT get it wrong. The guys in the VAR room said it was onside. It was the communication that caused confusion which lead to it being kept as offside per the linesman's flag.

It was just shorthand for "there was a fuck-up"

 

[Nebby]

What they got wrong though was not overturning the on pitch decision. Also the vast majority of calls are still split-second calls from the ref or sideline.

Again VAR will go wrong at some point, regardless of how good you think you've made it. When it does and what happens is that the on pitch call stands then it really shouldn't be that much of a big deal. If VAR goes wrong and overturns the correct on pitch decision then it becomes a more concerning thing IMO.

That was the one thing they got right. Once the game restarts that's it.

 

[XIIIMPC]

Personally I think the Mike Dean's admission that he ignored Romero's hairpull on Cucurella moments before we equalised against Chelsea, pretty much because he didn't want to cause his friend additional agro, is much worse than what happened here. That decision also had a more definitive consequence on the game as there is no way we equalise seconds later in the last moments of the game if Romero was rightly red carded.

That's an excellent point. Totally forgot. This was simple and incompetent miscommunication, that was deliberately bad refereeing.

 

[easley91]

It was just shorthand for "there was a fuck-up"

Crucially though and what some seem to forget or blatantly ignore to fuel an anti VAR narrative is that the technology actually did its job. It found Diaz was onside. The error was the miscommunication and misunderstanding of what was said in the conversation by the humans involved. And that with happen will several voices in a short conversation. Pretty sure every official said something at some point in that audio clip.

 

[northstandupper]

That last paragraph is completely unnecessary, when I read these statements I implore you to watch the documentary and educate yourself.

One of our own was sadly one of the 97. Andrew Sefton drove his mates to hillsbrough. 96 Liverpool fans, one Tottenham fan. Never ever forget any of them!

 

[max cady]

So Klapp requests a replay because Var or the fellas running it got it wrong, why should we as a club be punished by playing an additional game for something we had no part in. It's just barmy the lengths this eejit will go to. Really has not thought this through at all.

 

[Oscar22]

It’s all mind games.

They put the statement out because their hope is, refs will be worried about giving anything against them due to the abuse and attention they will receive. So Liverpool immediately go back to being the beneficiaries of decisions.

With the replay, they don’t actually believe they will get a replay, because it will just be the most ludicrous thing ever. So what they are doing is giving themselves something else, along with weather conditions and stadium lights being bright, that if they don’t win the league this year they can add “we weren’t given our replay”.

Embarrassing manager.
Embarrassing fans.
Embarrassing club.

No where would still be even talking about this today if it happened to say, Bournemouth.

 

[XIIIMPC]

Crucially though and what some seem to forget or blatantly ignore to fuel an anti VAR narrative is that the technology actually did its job. It found Diaz was onside. The error was the miscommunication and misunderstanding of what was said in the conversation by the humans involved. And that with happen will several voices in a short conversation. Pretty sure every official said something at some point in that audio clip.

If we're really getting into this, then VAR stands for Video Assistant Referee, who was one of those responsible for the miscommunication (and for not pulling it back afterwards).

So, yes, VAR - the man - fucked it in this game. That doesn't mean VAR the system is inherently bad, and my point was never to perpetuate an "anti-VAR narrative".

 

[easley91]

If we're really getting into this, then VAR stands for Video Assistant Referee, who was one of those responsible for the miscommunication (and for not pulling it back afterwards).

So, yes, VAR - the man - fucked it in this game. That doesn't mean VAR the system is inherently bad, and my point was never to perpetuate an "anti-VAR narrative".

Wasn't talking about you specifically. And to be honest when I read VAR I immediately think of the tech and not the officials running it.

 

[wishkah]

this replay bollocks is absolutely nuts. Pool obviously want to replay the game as it's in their favour but you can't look at these items in isolation.

Are they willing to replay with 2x liverpool players leaving the field at the time they recieved reds? What if one of those tackles broke a leg - should the replay wait until the player has recovered?

the idoicy.

 

[Cornpattbuck]

Has anyone photoshopped Donald Trump's hair onto Klopp's gurning face yet?

 

[mil1lion]

What makes this different to other bad offside calls is the fact that VAR got it wrong. It is a new level of incompetence as opposed to a split-second call from the sideline.

However it's still ultimately human error deciding a football match. If there was a replay I'd be fucking done.

VAR didn't get it wrong, they got it right but didn't pass the message clearly to the ref what the decision was. Agree about human error though and maybe just reading too much into the wording "var got it wrong".

 

[Japhet]

If that had happened the other way round, no way our fans or manager would be asking for a replay.

It’s actually disgraceful from Klopp and Liverpool and incredibly entitled.

He's chucking as much fuel on the fire of their 'victim status' as he can, hoping that it leads to them being given any contentious decision for the foreseeable. The FA should recognize this for what it is and add some fuel of their own by banning the prick and threatening to deduct point if he doesn't button it and behave himself in future.

 

[The Scarecrow]

 

[XIIIMPC]

Has anyone photoshopped Donald Trump's hair onto Klopp's gurning face yet?

It has genuinely shocked me just how Trumpian that is as a tactic. Like it is so openly disingenuous, because there's no way it can happen, and he knows the effect putting it out there will have (to stir up his "base" even more, and shift the footballing Overton window to make it something people start actually discussing - because of course, now he's said it and it's a headline, airtime will definitely be given to this ridiculous idea).

I thought it was only City that would employ that sort of tactic, as evident in the way they deal with their various charges, openly stoking their little army of twitter harassers to attack critical journalists. I'm honestly a bit disappointed that Liverpool - or at least their manager - have stooped to it over this, such a comparatively petty issue compared to what City are accused of.

 

[Ribble]

Loving the reply from Reading as well