stormfly
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Unfortunately no one was going to be the right manager after Poch because the fans and media loved him so much. It’s like Fergie syndrome but without us dominating football for a generation.
Match Threads Spurs vs Man Utd - Match Thread - Day 31
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For me it's 60 years but I empathise with every single one of your points; although despite not liking him and not wanting him, I suppose I did harbour some optimism that being a 'serial winner' he would bring us success this season, coupled with the fact that I (mistakenly) thought that we had made some good signings in the summer. What I didn't expect was the abysmal lack of effort by our players, the shambolic defending and the seemingly lack of any tactical nous from one of the supposed master tacticians.
People on here espouse brilliant knowledge of what goes on behind the scenes, tactical acumen that they would use and expert psychological profiling to explain our squad's lack of togetherness - when in reality they know nothing. Nothing.
Nobody apart from Levy, Mourinho and his staff and the players know what goes on. Supposed 'leaks' and journalists that claim to have 'insider knowledge' feed the fan's frenzy for change but what I find is in short supply, is the answer to the question that do fans really think that Levy appoints a world class coach and then that coach sets up teams or makes certain substitutions because they want Spurs to do badly? Levy's legacy will be determined not only by the fact that we have (probably) the best training facility and ground in the world but by the team's consistent success. He didn't appoint Mourinho or bring back Bale because he had a burning desire to be seen as a failure (and for all the Levy haters who love to laud their theories of frugalism on Levy's behalf, explain how the combined cost of hiring Mourinho and Bale supports your theory) and Mourinho doesn't wake up in the morning determined to throw away all that he has worked for, just on a whim of dreaming up bizarre tactics/team selection/substitutions that will all but guarantee failure.
Equally, players don't try to play badly (difficult to believe I know) but something is wrong and has been for a while now. Not enough credit is given to the opposition when we lose and all the blame, sometimes mistakenly is laid at the club's door but what fans expect and deserve is a commitment to the club that manifests itself as 100% effort on the pitch. If we lose, we lose because the opposition is better not because we lack courage, desire and skill. Opposition defences can dominate forwards - it happens but repeated and glaring errors by defensive players is unacceptable. The reasons for our present situation are varied and complex but the tactics don't seem to be right for the players we have and some of the players are not good enough. The sad thing is that as a result of this downturn in our fortunes, we are likely to lose one of the most gifted strikers that the club has ever had and Levy will be totally aware of this. I think I know why Levy hired Mourinho; he genuinely believed that he would bring us success. The stadium and training facilities were not built to support a mid-table team. I firmly believe or at least hope that he can also see that that appointment and the squad will not deliver his vision of success. We have to believe that he will act to resolve the present situation - perhaps not immediately but certainly at the end of the season. Audere est facere!
I don’t know. I have never like Jose’s football. He has so much experience but to me he has learnt all the negative things about football. From time wasting, diving and negative tactics. I love football but hate these things.
UbeAstard
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I dont think it was a matter of nick a goal and try not to lose. When Utd were on top of us 2nd half it needed a manager that recognised why they were on top and made decisions to readress the balance.
Jamturk
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Wow, a voice of reason. This forum is toxic right now.
Man Utd were pretty good today especially at the back, oh the irony.
Unfortunately Levy still thought the squad was of sufficient quality (despite Poch saying we needed a rebuild) and just needed a winner to push us over the trophy line.
He was so fucking wrong and here we are nearly 2 wasted years later still needing a new coach who can begin the rebuild
If Levy picks the wrong man again then I think he needs to step aside because on the football side we are going nowhere if he's involved.
curlacious
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Would be more media coverage, greater brand penetration metrics. All the stuff fans don’t see but the board LOVE.
worcestersauce
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I agree, we weren't awful or anything like it we were just clearly second best. United were just better than us.
gavspur
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rez9000
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I'm in!
mumfordspur
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Well what do you expect I was looking at the teams in the hunt for 3rd & 4th and we are not in the mix but W Ham are.
gerishep
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It's always 2 wasted years later.
BuryMeInEngland
Polish that cock lads
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Couldn't be any worse quite honestly.
BuryMeInEngland
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Our global brand at the moment is people laughing at us and basically saying either
a) We are shit
Or
b) Jose is failing at tottenham, he's past it, etc.
UbeAstard
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Well I agree with you, I didnt like the appointment but once done I had to reluctantly get on board. I think Levy's damned if he does he damned if he doesnt. There where fans who wanted this manager and unless Levy appoints a manager who makes a success st Spurs with trophies (which isnt easy) there will always be those who limit their view to point the finger at him.
Stamford
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that's my biggest worry
austinfh
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We played well in the first half because we kept the ball and pressed Utd high. In the second half we ceded possession and tried to protect the lead. As always, it just invited pressure onto us and inevitably we conceded
walworthyid
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I think that the manager has a huge influence on the squad. I think that Jose sets us up in a way that doesn't suit our squad, that hands the opposition the initiative, that alienates players.
I think that while we clearly have weaknesses in the squad, Jose makes those weaknesses more apparent.
I think that the longer he stays the worse it will get.
I think that the players don't enjoy or buy into his tactics.
I think that he is a toxic presence in our club and that unless we get him out and a better character in that we will be in a huge mess that will take a decade to get out of.
Lastly, I think that there is a fundamental disconnect between him and the soul of our club. There is no emotional connection there and it is hurting us all.
He needs to go immediately.
