Match Threads Spurs Vs Sporting CP

[Carlos Kickaball]

I don't think VAR should be freeze framing anything. They should be watching the replays at actual speed, as that's the only way to detect "a clear and obvious error" and overturn the original decision.

There should also be a limit on the amount of views of the replay, with two or three presumably being enough to uncover something "obvious".

 

[chrisd2k]

VAR shouldn't take away from the fact we were very poor. We improved after half time but it was more guts and desire (good to see) over tactical good play.

Still some very concerning issues with the way we are playing and lack of visual patterns of play.

 

[YB123]

VAR shouldn't take away from the fact we were very poor. We improved after half time but it was more guts and desire (good to see) over tactical good play.

Still some very concerning issues with the way we are playing and lack of visual patterns of play.

I feel like the first goal is huge in our games. If we get it we relax, if we dont we panic and usually concede first and have no issue but to chase. Liverpool had the same issues last seasons and again this season.

 

[ralphs bald spot]

I feel like the first goal is huge in our games. If we get it we relax, if we dont we panic and usually concede first and have no issue but to chase. Liverpool had the same issues last seasons and again this season.

if its viital which it is in all games then you need to play aggressively and on the front foot not back off so deep that the opposition come to our gaff and dominate a first half having all the time in the world to do so -

 

[makeveli]

If a keeper picks the ball up with his feet in the box but his hands outside the box ,,..

 

[mattdefoe]

How are we all feeling going into the final game … Contes record in this comp and our terrible Away form in europe of late makes me fear the worst

IF we end up second in the group it could be a game changer to we really should be top

 

[DenverSpur]

Well that was a thrilling second half. Pity we never play any first half with that energy, tempo and desire.

On the Paramount App they never really showed a clear viewing of the VAR offside but if it takes over 4 and a half minutes to come to that conclusion then it’s not clear cut. Too many times the VAR operators seem to be looking for a reason to disallow a goal rather than objectively looking to see if it’s a good goal or not.

Marcus Edwards goal reminded me of Ronaldo’s first goal against us last season. That time it was Dier backing off this time Romero. I understand the argument that if they come out to close down they leave space in behind them but you just can’t let someone line up a shot from just outside the area and do nothing.
Despite that was pleased for Marcus Edwards. I feel we never gave him a proper chance but fair dos to him he went to Portugal and has made a name and career for himself. I’m sure there was a little bit of Schadenfreude when that goal went in.

One thing I find interesting and somewhat baffling is that we never try to overload the flanks in order to get behind the packed defense and get crosses in. Nearly all our crosses came from slightly in front of the defensive line.

Let’s see what we’re made of in Marseille next week.

 

[DenverSpur]

Maybe I’m stupid, but I still see a massive grey area there. Do you have to make an attempt to play the ball with your feet or head? No sane defender in this defenders situation would not make an attempt to play the ball out to a corner in that situation.

By definition if you’re a defender in your box your mere presence is an attempt to play the ball. You’re there to prevent the ball getting past you. Whether you make an attempt play the ball or it hits you your objective has been achieved.

 

[DenverSpur]

Royal played the ball backwards
Their defender played the ball to Kane.
It can not be offside.
I don't believe the var ref understood that and probably only looked at the freeze frames as their player wasn't in front of Royal he was running back to intercept it.
I think they were checking a bunch of offsides to finally find one.
European football is bent.
Fuck Var football was better without it.

Got to agree with you about European football.
Just seen the Athletico Madrid game. They needed a win to stay in the CL and they’re given a penalty for handball in the last minute. The defenders arm is by his side. Looked a bent decision to me. LOL though AM missed the penalty and were out

 

[Monkey boy]

I like what Hoddle said, when are we taking it from? Which part of the ball? If its a toe that is offside then fuck off. The game is gone and it wont be changed but my love for the game has died alittle more tonight. I celebrated like a looney not ever thinking once that a VAR may be called, gutted and empty.

Unfortunately I just don’t celebrate anymore until they’ve shown the replay and I can rest easy. All the enjoyment of watching a game has been completely ripped apart. I hate it.

 

[DenverSpur]

what happened to the semi-automated offside and the accompanying image?

They had in the Barca Bayern game.

 

[taidgh]

They had in the Barca Bayern game.

It's strange. I haven't seen anything on it's use or lack thereof anywhere.

 

[DenverSpur]

So they ruled offside as they determined Kane was ahead of the ball when played by Emerson. Conte and everyone feels cheated as they think Kane wasn’t ahead of the ball and the lines weren’t correct.

The ball being played backwards is irrelevant as not the rule, and the ball hitting the defender is irrelevant as it wasn’t a deliberate action.

That sum up the situation?

The defender getting himself between Emerson and Kane was a deliberate action and he did so in order to prevent the cross. The ball that hits a goalkeeper as opposed to him moving to towards the ball is still a save. It’s idiotic to suggest that a defender putting his body in the way is not a deliberate action regadless whether he swung a leg or not.

 

[taidgh]

It's not 'deliberate action', the offside rule is about making a "deliberate play".

Go back and read the link to the rule that has been posted a few times. Then maybe you'll understand what the law is actually saying. If you allow any touch off a defender to keep someone onside, therapy huge number of unjust goals allowed and it would actually encourage goal hanging, the thing that the offside law supposed to prevent.

But whatever you think of the merits of the law itself, there's no way you'd be as exercised about it if it happened the other way around. Get a hold of yourself.

 

[SpursSince1980]

A few people have suggested that a time limit be placed on VAR: if they can’t come up with a decision within a minute, the referee’s decision should stand.

Although it’s a superficially attractive idea, the main result would be a rash of hasty and unjustifiable decisions after 59 seconds.

As opposed to long drawn out rash of unjustifiable decisions after 5.99 minutes? ?

 

[Julmust]

Law 11 - Offside: ‘deliberate play’ guidelines clarified | IFAB

www.theifab.com

Thanks, this clarifies it somewhat. Kane’s goal should clearly be disallowed according to these criteria.

I don’t really see the point of the rule though. Are they under the impression that playing the ball backwards so that it bounces off a defender and forward to your offside team mate is ever a play that can be intentionally abused?

 

[Trix]

Utter codswallop mate.

He has brought in enough players to make some difference.

If you are going back as far as Poch then you might as well list Hoddle, Francis and Sherwood.

"not trusting the backline" didn't prevent us putting half a dozen past Leicester after going a goal behind did it?

That's not how confidence works in sport though is it.

Perhaps you're right and it's multiple managers that are all creating the exact same result, and nothing to do with the fact it's largely the same players.

 

[Serpico]

looking for a reason to disallow a goal rather than objectively looking to see if it’s a good goal or not.

Yes 100%

Athletico Madrid game. They needed a win to stay in the CL and they’re given a penalty

Yes dodgy.

The defender getting himself between Emerson and Kane was a deliberate action

100% an action- he is a defender.

It's not 'deliberate action', the offside rule is about making a "deliberate play".

Deliberate is getting in the way. It’s not just about kicking s ball. Defenders don’t deliberately handle the ball. It’s interpretation which is corrupt.

 

[djhotspur]

Since

VAR shouldn't take away from the fact we were very poor. We improved after half time but it was more guts and desire (good to see) over tactical good play.

Still some very concerning issues with the way we are playing and lack of visual patterns of play.

I thought the first 20/25 we looked good, played some lovely one touch stuff, we pressed high and played on the front foot. We then concede a goal like that which shouldn’t happen and all confidence goes out the window.
we look poor when the back 3 can’t play out due to an inability to deal with the press and invites pressure.
2nd half hojberg and Benta started to take control they kept turning and looking to play forward rather than instinctively turning back and playing back to the CB which created much more forward momentum meaning we were camped in their half.
We did enough to win and we didn’t. It could have been a turning point I think if that goal stood and we won

 

[bubble07]

Just read that after 35 minutes Tottenham's expected goals rating stood at 0.03 per cent.