St Wengerin Day

[Bus-Conductor]

This Myth had already been debunked. They did it in 12/13... that is about it in the last 7 years, in fact the only other time they improved after they were knocked out of the CL (other than 12/13) a was by a 1 point improvement over 11 games See stats below.

This myth, too, has been debunked.

Their away form is poor. In their four remaining away games they have to travel to Goodison, The Boleyn Ground or Upton Park or whatever they are calling the cesspit now, the Stadium of Light and the Etihad. Is there any one of those games where you would expect the Goons, a Goons side whose performances away have been poor since the end of October, will get a walk over? Everton are capable of battering any defence and the Goons defence looks brittle (and this ain't a Barca side effectively cantering through a second leg they knew they'd already won). West Ham are chasing a Euro spot (ye heavens!) and will be right up for it, and we saw the effect of that just a few weeks ago, didn't we!). Sunderland are fighting against relegation under arch relegation fighter Big Hippo-Head Sam, a manager who likes nothing better than putting one over the whinger and has shown that he knows how to do it. And finishing with a trip to the Etihad, where Citeh may well be fighting either to overtake the Goons or to keep their CL place.

They have to win their game in hand, and then either take three more points than us while overhauling our goal-difference superiority, or take four more points than us. With that away schedule.

I still think with their run in and ours they'll finish above us, especially now they have nothing else on their plate.

 

[UpTownSpur]

Everton have always been their bitches so no surprise they won today - very hard to see them going on a winning run given their recent form.

 

[StartingPrice]

I still think with their run in and ours they'll finish above us, especially now they have nothing else on their plate.

Well, I thought Everton would give them a hard game...so it just shows what I know

Seriously, though, they need us to lose two games, unless they can overtake our goal-difference. On top of which I believe they can drop points in any one of those away games they have left - at least one, and probably more. That means they will need us to lose at least three, and probably four of our remaining 8 games. I just can't see it. On the contrary, I think we will kick on from here. We have won 6 and drawn 1 of our last 8 games, we have got past what I considered to be our two most difficult games (West Ham and the Goons) and we have no more outside distractions (the Europa league).

I just think them relying on us losing 3 or more likely 4 games out of 8, with them taking advantage, is too much to ask.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Well, I thought Everton would give them a hard game...so it just shows what I know

Seriously, though, they need us to lose two games, unless they can overtake our goal-difference. On top of which I believe they can drop points in any one of those away games they have left - at least one, and probably more. That means they will need us to lose at least three, and probably four of our remaining 8 games. I just can't see it. On the contrary, I think we will kick on from here. We have won 6 and drawn 1 of our last 8 games, we have got past what I considered to be our two most difficult games (West Ham and the Goons) and we have no more outside distractions (the Europa league).

I just think them relying on us losing 3 or more likely 4 games out of 8, with them taking advantage, is too much to ask.

Liverpool, Chelsea, Stoke and even Newcastle away under Benitez are all going to be tough games.

And we haven't beaten ManU at home for about 15 years.

 

[StartingPrice]

Liverpool, Chelsea, Stoke and even Newcastle away under Benitez are all going to be tough games.

And we haven't beaten ManU at home for about 15 years.

True.
But I never, anywhere, said we have easy games remaining.

What I said was that I can easily see them losing at least one and probably more of their remaining away games. Do you agree that they have very hard away games? And that being the case, it is likely that they will need us to lose at least three and probably four games, and for them to get the points to take advantage, out of 8 remaining games. How many games do you believe the Goons will need us to lose and how many can you see us losing?

Personally, I feel we can beat Liverpool, and felt that even before we went out of the Europa and they didn't. Now they have that added complication and we don't. Chelsea have been grinding out results, it's true...but needed the ref's help to ground one West ham today. Stoke looked poor at home to Southampton last home game. And while I am sure Benitez will endeavour to tighten Newcastle up, I still believe that we are more than capable of getting a result as, frankly, we are a better team with better players. Besides which, for all these games you need to take into account how good our away form is. As for United, they are out-of-sorts, poor away from home and led by a dead man walking - we are second in the league on merit, and in many ways the best team this season. No-one is saying it will be easy but surely we are favourites? How many of the Goons away games would you realistically make them favourites in?

I believe in being realistic and understand the instinct that makes folk weight the enemy mightier than they are in times of war - but there is a certain school of thought that I don't subscribe. The one that is makes Leicester favourites to go to Old Trafford and win, even though United have been better at home, because Leicester are top, when assessing Leicesters'remaining fixtures. But also the one that doesn't make us favourites at home to United even though we are second, we are at home and they have been poor away from home,when assessing our remaining fixtures!

 

[Lighty64]

this thread should of only started once we finish above the ****s, talk about tempting fate

 

[StartingPrice]

this thread should of only started once we finish above the ****s, talk about tempting fate

Have you read the thread or are you just reacting to the title?

 

[ohtottenham!]

Have you read the thread or are you just reacting to the title?

Well, I've read the thread, read the title too! Lighty's still right! Let's wait till we're in a position to put all those false dawns to rest.

 

[Lighty64]

Have you read the thread or are you just reacting to the title?

only read the 1st page, apologies if some sense has appeared since

finish below them again and the people giving goons any grief will need to go into hiding the only grief they deserve is is blowing the League, but until they are definitely out of that race I won't be happy. we are hoping Leicester drop points, well if they did and we blow it, there is always a chance old LUCKY Arscum do something silly even if they don't even look like doing anything. Everton have a poor home record this season, yesterday they were made to look even worse, and Everton are a team we are hoping can nick something off of Leicester

 

[tttcowan]

On that day, if it comes, when you're rubbing it in a gooners face we came higher than them.

Tell them that you would have a fundamentally shit name for this day but that you're not nearly tragic enough to.

 

[StartingPrice]

Well, I've read the thread, read the title too! Lighty's still right! Let's wait till we're in a position to put all those false dawns to rest.

Can you just clarify for me:

You understand fully that the number of European trophies both us and the Goons have is absolutely zero to do with finishing league position?

You understand fully that even if the Goons finish above us this season it will not alter the number of European trophies either club has won?

You understand fully that if the Goons finish above us they will give it the St Totteringham's Day* crap whether we give them some banter or not about their lack of European trophies?

You understand fully that they are liable to give it some about always being in their shadow even if we finish above them this season, even if we win the league, and even if they never win another European trophy (based solely on our eclipse due to Mr Scholar's shenanigans, etc., and/or until we have closed that trophy gap to virtually nothing)?

You understand fully that lack of European trophies is something that Goons fans are remarkably sensitive about in spite of all their bravado?

Genuinely, please answer each question.

*Bearing in mind that the original meaning of St Totteringham's Day was changed a long time ago. This was originally the number of clear league games before the last game of the season that it was confirmed that we couldn't finish above them - which highlighted just how much better than us they had become in the mid to late 1990's. This ended the day they just scraped past us on the last day of the season - thanks to Lasagna-Gate. But they changed the meaning to just mean finishing above us, including just scraping past us on goal-difference in the final seconds of the final game of the season so that they could continue giving us shit. Ironic, really, then, that so many Spurs fans just won't give them shit about something we genuinely can give them shit about!

 

[StartingPrice]

only read the 1st page, apologies if some sense has appeared since

finish below them again and the people giving goons any grief will need to go into hiding the only grief they deserve is is blowing the League, but until they are definitely out of that race I won't be happy. we are hoping Leicester drop points, well if they did and we blow it, there is always a chance old LUCKY Arscum do something silly even if they don't even look like doing anything. Everton have a poor home record this season, yesterday they were made to look even worse, and Everton are a team we are hoping can nick something off of Leicester

Well, obviously, I am going to believe that my posts add sense...

But seriously...yeah, it was a genuine question, because I had already stated twice that this is something that is absolutely nothing to do with the league or finishing league positions, so I was quite surprised that you based your whole reasoning on potential finishing league position. I feel it would help if you read at least one of those posts, personally. And I feel it would help not just you but everyone else to look at it for what it is and not something that has any dependency on league position or potential finishing league position

 

[Lighty64]

Well, obviously, I am going to believe that my posts add sense...

But seriously...yeah, it was a genuine question, because I had already stated twice that this is something that is absolutely nothing to do with the league or finishing league positions, so I was quite surprised that you based your whole reasoning on potential finishing league position. I feel it would help if you read at least one of those posts, personally. And I feel it would help not just you but everyone else to look at it for what it is and not something that has any dependency on league position or potential finishing league position

well I did read the 1st page, and just couldn't go on there are many goons I will enjoy smiling at if we finish above them but after 42years the last 20 have been pretty hurtful even if the gap has closed drastically, they just always seem to get the roll of the green in the last 8-10 matches, so wanting to finish above them will be great especially if it's as champs, cause that will HURT them.

 

[thinktank]

"We want you to stay...we want you to staaaaa-aaa-aaay, creepy stan kroenke, we want you to stay!"

 

[Mr Pink]

If we beat United and one of Chelsea/Liverpool I think we'll definitely finish above them.

 

[EJWTartanSpur]

Isn't it about time we Smurfed Ranieri?

Totally. We need this done ASAP

 

[theShiznit]

Isn't it about time we Smurfed Ranieri?

I've made some enquiries on the dark web and it will cost around £3000 (It was £2000 but has just gone up as he now has a sausage named after him in Leicester )

Smurfing is what I think it is isn't it...

 

[ohtottenham!]

Can you just clarify for me:

You understand fully that the number of European trophies both us and the Goons have is absolutely zero to do with finishing league position?

You understand fully that even if the Goons finish above us this season it will not alter the number of European trophies either club has won?

You understand fully that if the Goons finish above us they will give it the St Totteringham's Day* crap whether we give them some banter or not about their lack of European trophies?

You understand fully that they are liable to give it some about always being in their shadow even if we finish above them this season, even if we win the league, and even if they never win another European trophy (based solely on our eclipse due to Mr Scholar's shenanigans, etc., and/or until we have closed that trophy gap to virtually nothing)?

You understand fully that lack of European trophies is something that Goons fans are remarkably sensitive about in spite of all their bravado?

Genuinely, please answer each question.

*Bearing in mind that the original meaning of St Totteringham's Day was changed a long time ago. This was originally the number of clear league games before the last game of the season that it was confirmed that we couldn't finish above them - which highlighted just how much better than us they had become in the mid to late 1990's. This ended the day they just scraped past us on the last day of the season - thanks to Lasagna-Gate. But they changed the meaning to just mean finishing above us, including just scraping past us on goal-difference in the final seconds of the final game of the season so that they could continue giving us shit. Ironic, really, then, that so many Spurs fans just won't give them shit about something we genuinely can give them shit about!

Arsenal fans may bemoan their lack of Euro trophies, but I really don't think our 3 to 2 advantage in Euro trophies sticks in their craw like you do! They deperately want to win the CL like Utd, Liverpool and Chels have. It's that trophy they want in order to match their domestic success. They've played CL football almost every year for the last 17/18 years! The same period in which they've won multiple League titles and FA Cups.

I'm also aware of the history. A friend's dad took us to the 2nd leg Wolves game at the Lane in 1972 when we drew to win the first UEFA Cup. We were 12 and thrilled to bits! I was there for the Parks final in 1984 - one of the best nights ever! Great memories! We used to give Arsenal fans grief for years over that.

A lot has changed since that time, and unfortunately, we have almost perennially been second best to them in the league, and cups for that matter. This year, it could be different, and I'll take great pleasure on the actual day, and not before, when it becomes certain we'll finish higher than them.