Steven Caulker

[DaSpurs]

I think that to get the best out of Dawson, he needs to play alongside a steady and experienced quality defensive
partner like King, Woodgate or a fully fit Kaboul.

That, and the removal of the absurdly high back line.

 

[Reclamation Project]

He is never coming back - he was sold for non-footballing reasons! (Not good enough either IMHO)

 

[Spursidol]

Thought it time to look at a few stats.

WhoScored.com ‏@WhoScored ·May 21
Steven Caulker, Simon Mignolet, John Ruddy & Brad Guzan: Were the only ever-present players in the PL this season (3420 mins played)

So the only outfield player in the PL to play every PL game. Could be useful as we had huge injury problems at CB this season.

Statisctically made the Most Effective PL Team of the Season :
http://www.whoscored.com/Articles/_...ffective-vs-Effective-XI#.U3M4EVk4PS4.twitter

'Our centre-back pairing starts with Steven Caulker, who was the only defender to make 38 appearances without committing a single individual error leading directly to a chance for the opposition'

That could be one in the eye for those arguing that he's not good enough.

Coming back to Spurs would mean that he needs minimal time to settle in, and after last season that's a huge advantage.

Rumoured to have a release clause if Cardiff were relegated in his contract, he could be available. Liverpool are known to be wanting to strengthen their CB's and Rogers is a fan after Caulker was at Swansea when Rogers managed there - but Spurs have an advantage as we have (according to the Daily Mail) a 50% sell on fee in excess of the £11m transfer fee we got for him.

At 22 he's made about 80 PL appearances, so plenty of experience. But just as importantly he's well short of his peak playing years and a good decade of playing assuming he keeps fit.

He's also a leader on the pitch - and that was certainly missing last season. He has played on both left and right of the CB partnership - I could certainly see him playing well as a CB paired with Vertonghen or Chirches to add steel.

Will Kaboul recover to play at the level he did before injury ? Is it time for Dawson at age 30 move on ? Caulker could be a shoe in for either.

 

[spurs9]

Thought it time to look at a few stats.

WhoScored.com ‏@WhoScored ·May 21
Steven Caulker, Simon Mignolet, John Ruddy & Brad Guzan: Were the only ever-present players in the PL this season (3420 mins played)

So the only outfield player in the PL to play every PL game. Could be useful as we had huge injury problems at CB this season.

Statisctically made the Most Effective PL Team of the Season :
http://www.whoscored.com/Articles/_...ffective-vs-Effective-XI#.U3M4EVk4PS4.twitter

'Our centre-back pairing starts with Steven Caulker, who was the only defender to make 38 appearances without committing a single individual error leading directly to a chance for the opposition'

That could be one in the eye for those arguing that he's not good enough.

Coming back to Spurs would mean that he needs minimal time to settle in, and after last season that's a huge advantage.

Rumoured to have a release clause if Cardiff were relegated in his contract, he could be available. Liverpool are known to be wanting to strengthen their CB's and Rogers is a fan after Caulker was at Swansea when Rogers managed there - but Spurs have an advantage as we have (according to the Daily Mail) a 50% sell on fee in excess of the £11m transfer fee we got for him.

At 22 he's made about 80 PL appearances, so plenty of experience. But just as importantly he's well short of his peak playing years and a good decade of playing assuming he keeps fit.

He's also a leader on the pitch - and that was certainly missing last season. He has played on both left and right of the CB partnership - I could certainly see him playing well as a CB paired with Vertonghen or Chirches to add steel.

Will Kaboul recover to play at the level he did before injury ? Is it time for Dawson at age 30 move on ? Caulker could be a shoe in for either.

The problem is, our injury problems are down to our coaching (which will improve greatly under either Poch or FDB), so buying a player that has not been injured doesn't mean much (just look at Capoue's record before joining us).

In regards to leadership qualities, when he was with us last year, he didn't show any. Maybe he needs consecutive games to show it, but he won't get that here just yet.

At the moment he is not good enough for the starting 11 and he needs regular games to improve to that level, which he won't get here. If we did buy him back, I would hope we loaned him out for the season.

 

[Spursidol]

At the moment he is not good enough for the starting 11 and he needs regular games to improve to that level, which he won't get here. .

So statistically one of the 2 best CB's in the PL league.

On what basis is your opinion more valid could I ask ?

And which CB's are so much better and likely to sign for Spurs rather than another team - such as Liverpool, ManU or even Arsenal (all of whom need new CB's) assuming they want to come to the PL.

 

[spurs9]

So statistically one of the 2 best CB's in the PL league.

On what basis is your opinion more valid could I ask ?

And which CB's are so much better and likely to sign for Spurs rather than another team - such as Liverpool, ManU or even Arsenal (all of whom need new CB's) assuming they want to come to the PL.

The only statistic that they were working off for Caulker was mistakes leading to a chance, which although impressive in itself, only paints a small part of he picture . Also, we don' know the criteria of that stat, for example is that just giving he ball away that leads to a chance? I doubt hey included loosing his marker or being out of position, which is something stats can't tell you.

I based my opinion on what I saw, the few times I saw hem play and what I read of his performances.

That is a lot of quality young CB's out there Schar (who is good enough for our firs team), Ginter, Tah (who have a much higher ceilling and are young enough to improve whilst being 3rd or 4th choice). Here are lots of options for 1st team experienced CB's that would improve us.

Do you think Caulker is good enough to be first choice now?

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

I would take him back as a replacement for Dawson. He's not great but could be useful as back up.

 

[spurs9]

I would take him back as a replacement for Dawson. He's not great but could be useful as back up.

Me too but when he left, he stated he left for 1st team football and after starting every game for Cardiff, I doubt he would return to be 3rd choice.

 

[KingNothing]

I remember him making a lot of errors in 2012-13. Seemed very raw, understandably. He was made captain for Cardiff (lol) and played all 38 games so has he improved much?

Me too but when he left, he stated he left for 1st team football and after starting every game for Cardiff, I doubt he would return to be 3rd choice.

That was before the world cup

 

[rabbikeane]

I remember him making a lot of errors in 2012-13.

No worse than King at same age, people forget that eventhough King looked really promising, it wasn't untill age 23-24 that he was a top defender (after his spell next to what had been one of the best defender in world football of the past 10 years, Naybet)

 

[SpurSince57]

The problem is, our injury problems are down to our coaching (which will improve greatly under either Poch or FDB), so buying a player that has not been injured doesn't mean much (just look at Capoue's record before joining us).

In regards to leadership qualities, when he was with us last year, he didn't show any. Maybe he needs consecutive games to show it, but he won't get that here just yet.

At the moment he is not good enough for the starting 11 and he needs regular games to improve to that level, which he won't get here. If we did buy him back, I would hope we loaned him out for the season.

Are they? Is this fact, or opinion?

 

[SpurSince57]

I would take him back as a replacement for Dawson. He's not great but could be useful as back up.

Frankly, Kaboul looked more in need of replacing than Dawson. I also wouldn't rule out United making a move for Vertonghen.

I wasn't keen on him back when we were linked with him when he played for the Baggies, but Curtis Davies has been impressive this season. After witnessing Caulker's masterclass against Aguero, I'm far from convinced that he's made a great deal of improvement.

 

[spurs9]

Are they? Is this fact, or opinion?

The vast majority of injuries in football are down to coaching which is a fact discovered by modern sports science. We have one of the worst injury records in the EPL year after year so it can't just bad luck.

 

[SpurSince57]

The vast majority of injuries in football are down to coaching which is a fact discovered by modern sports science. We have one of the worst injury records in the EPL year after year so it can't just bad luck.

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/2013_14/injury_analysis.php

We were second, but Arsenal were top, and Wenger is still regarded as one of the best coaches around. Stoke were best!

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/2012_13/injury_analysis.php

Mid-table, with Newcastle worst. Stoke best again!

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/2011_12/injury_analysis.php

Second-worst, with United worst and Arsenal close behind. Stoke again low down on the list.

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/2010_11/injury_analysis.php

Worst, with Arsenal close behind. Stoke again low down on the list.

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/2009_10/injury_analysis.php

Down in seventh, Arsenal worst, United third-worst, Stoke second-best.

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/2008_09/injury_analysis.php

In alphabetical order, but we're level with Stoke and a lot better than United, Arsenal and Chelsea.

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/2007_08/injury_analysis.php

Mid-table again. But look at Arsenal!

Unfortunately, that's where it ends. We're not brilliant and have actually got worse over recent seasons, but the real shock is how bad Arsenal have been under Wenger.

Think this would be a good thread for Spurs chat?

 

[spurs9]

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/2013_14/injury_analysis.php

We were second, but Arsenal were top, and Wenger is still regarded as one of the best coaches around. Stoke were best!

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/2012_13/injury_analysis.php

Mid-table, with Newcastle worst. Stoke best again!

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/2011_12/injury_analysis.php

Second-worst, with United worst and Arsenal close behind. Stoke again low down on the list.

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/2010_11/injury_analysis.php

Worst, with Arsenal close behind. Stoke again low down on the list.

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/2009_10/injury_analysis.php

Down in seventh, Arsenal worst, United third-worst, Stoke second-best.

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/2008_09/injury_analysis.php

In alphabetical order, but we're level with Stoke and a lot better than United, Arsenal and Chelsea.

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/2007_08/injury_analysis.php

Mid-table again. But look at Arsenal!

Unfortunately, that's where it ends. We're not brilliant and have actually got worse over recent seasons, but the real shock is how bad Arsenal have been under Wenger.

Think this would be a good thread for Spurs chat?

Wenger has been criticized for years for his fitness coaching, hence why Arsenal are consistent with their injury problems.

 

[spurs9]

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/2013_14/injury_analysis.php

We were second, but Arsenal were top, and Wenger is still regarded as one of the best coaches around. Stoke were best!

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/2012_13/injury_analysis.php

Mid-table, with Newcastle worst. Stoke best again!

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/2011_12/injury_analysis.php

Second-worst, with United worst and Arsenal close behind. Stoke again low down on the list.

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/2010_11/injury_analysis.php

Worst, with Arsenal close behind. Stoke again low down on the list.

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/2009_10/injury_analysis.php

Down in seventh, Arsenal worst, United third-worst, Stoke second-best.

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/2008_09/injury_analysis.php

In alphabetical order, but we're level with Stoke and a lot better than United, Arsenal and Chelsea.

http://www.physioroom.com/news/english_premier_league/2007_08/injury_analysis.php

Mid-table again. But look at Arsenal!

Unfortunately, that's where it ends. We're not brilliant and have actually got worse over recent seasons, but the real shock is how bad Arsenal have been under Wenger.

Think this would be a good thread for Spurs chat?

BTW, there was a discussion somewhere in Spurs chat. I will try and find it for you.

 

[SpurSince57]

Wenger has been criticized for years for his fitness coaching, hence why Arsenal are consistent with their injury problems.

I had read that, but it's one thing reading it and seeing such conclusive evidence. And yet Wenger is supposed to be one of the best when it comes to scientific training methods.

 

[spurs9]

I had read that, but it's one thing reading it and seeing such conclusive evidence. And yet Wenger is supposed to be one of the best when it comes to scientific training methods.

I have read a few caches comment that when he first came to England, his methods were revolutionary but he hasn't developed them much since and they are starting to/have become out dated compared to the new methods.

 

[spurs9]

I had read that, but it's one thing reading it and seeing such conclusive evidence. And yet Wenger is supposed to be one of the best when it comes to scientific training methods.

Here is the link to the thread in Spurs chat where this was discussed previously.

http://www.spurscommunity.co.uk/index.php?threads/tottenham-physios-medical-staff.106855/

 

[SpurSince57]

Many thanks!