As for calling the Fuzz in to help tonight, its beyond belief. If a Green Team member makes me miss a goal live, because of their incessant ranting, then you really will see an angry man in need of police assistance.
grrrrr.....:roll:
As for calling the Fuzz in to help tonight, its beyond belief. If a Green Team member makes me miss a goal live, because of their incessant ranting, then you really will see an angry man in need of police assistance.
Firstly I would like to say that, having been in Seville I will always be grateful for the actions of the Tottenham stewards that night. Being in the upper tier that night I was away from the melee, but had a good view of their actions that night, and I unreservedly applaud them, and fully endorse the award they received from the Met Police for their actions.
And now onto the point of the thread.
Mr Levy, you recently sacked a man who we loved for, in your opinion, not being up to the job he was expected to do. I salute you for having the courange to back your convictions.
So, if you are prepared to sack a loved associate of the club for not being up to the job, then please get rid of disrepected associates, those that go by the name of "Green Team".
I understand the issue of standing in conjunction with the Football Licensing Authority.
My issue is, sitting in row 8, why am I continually told by Green Team to sit down, when there are seven rows in front of me who are standing up.
In the words of Coolio, I'm an educated fool yet I still cannot work out quite why Green Team can think how I spend £700 on a season ticket, plus more for cup games, and expect me to be happy to watch the back of someone's head, rather than the match.
Another thing. You quite rightly bring up the million plus number of supporters our club has, and the fantastic atmosphere at the Lane. Well, if your Green Team cronies, lead by Tottenham employee Mr Moustache in the South East Corner, continuously throw people out for starting the chant "Stand Up if you hate A*rsenal", and generally kill the atmosphere, expect our numbers to fall and our "twelfth man" to be negated.
As for calling the Fuzz in to help tonight, its beyond belief. If a Green Team member makes me miss a goal live, because of their incessant ranting, then you really will see an angry man in need of police assistance.
I shall not dwell on the chant "Four pounds an hour, you only get four pounds an hour". Sort them out, or ship them out.
In the words of Coolio, I'm an educated fool yet I still cannot work out quite why Green Team can think how I spend £700 on a season ticket, plus more for cup games, and expect me to be happy to watch the back of someone's head, rather than the match.
I remember some chants from1 game last year coming from the Shelf aimed towards Green Team...
“You’re just a fat Eddy Murphy”
“Who’s got a big fat wife, who’s got a big fat wife, Lenny Henry, Lenny Henry, he’s got a big fat wife”
“Green Team, Green Team what’s the score?”
Block 34 tickets just doubled in price on ebay
the girl in 34 she aint all that, maybe from very far away
Not since 1979.arthurgrimsdell, paxton i presume?
Do you really think that the mindless chant "Stand Up If You hate Arsenal" is in any way supporting Tottenham? Or indeed is adding to a supportive atmosphere for the team? It is self-indulgent nonsense, goading the authorities by inciting people to stand: Nothing more, nothing less.
I've got a new chant for you, if chanting is your idea of support, rather than roaring the team on, which in my view shows support much much more than competitive singing against the opposition's fans with only half a mind on the game: Altogether now:
"Sit down if you've got a brain, Sit down if you've got a brain."
The only way we're gonna resolve this is for the Prem League to look at implementing safely controlled standing areas in the same manner as they have at one of the Bundesliga clubs. Until that happens this sort of angst will continue.
I'm in with those that want to stand through a game. It drives me nuts that home fans are constantly told throughout a game to sit down, while the away fans can do what the hell they like for the 90 minutes.
For those taking kids or indeed anyone else of a delicate nature, the place to go is Paxton Road, NOT the South Stand. I love the South Stand but wouldn't take a young kid or a granny there. If you take kids to the South Stand don't be surprised if your kids go home and call your neighbour a f***ing c*** or something equally pleasant.
Oh, and if you want to sit throughout the game with virtually no swearing save up your pennies and head for the West Stand.
I've seen several interviews with players that say they really enjoy the crowd banter...
Last season Dawson said he loved it when the crowd did the "We're the X side..." thing at each other...
Were you at/did you hear the MJs blue n white army all second half vs Seville?
Personally I think it created a very good atmosphere, and probably really spurred the players on... but since thats not "urging the team on", merely "self indulgent chanting", i guess it didn't, we might aswell have been quiet all game and yelled "come on" occasionally :roll:
Arthur, some of what you say is correct, but a lot of it is really wide of the mark.
The only way the crowd will 'roar' on the team is if they do something in particular that gets us excited, or if they're having attack after attack in a short space of time. Basically, we have to rely on them for that.
In the meantime, pro Spurs songs such as the Park Lane Shelf Side chants are more than welcome and do not come just because there's a lull in the game. They're sung because people are there enjoying themselves and in some cases, trying to up the atmosphere so the team can perform better.
I agree 100% with the poster who hates the Stand up if you hate Arsenal chant, which is why i always sing Stand up if you love Tottenham when they start it. No-one joins in with me, but i don't care. Sing the former if we're actually playing Arsenal. There's a trillion pro Spurs songs that are also sung during the 90 minutes and some fucking funny ones too, mainly aimed at the opposition, so it's all good.
Back to the point, the fact is, Footie used to be like that. We used to be able to stand and shout and sing and it did help the atmosphere. It isn't our fault (as such) that they made it all seater. It's a million times more difficult to get a bit of atmosphere going when you're all sat down. Not that it's the stewards fault, but bare in mind a massive percentage of those who go now, used to go when we could stand and sing.
Your main point was chanting is different to supporting. It's not really, depending on the chant. A roar from the crowd is when the team give us something to roar about. Your example against Seville last season was based on the fact that we were down and out, then we came back into it, hence the roar as time was running out. The only other commonplace roar is when the board is shown for injury time minutes if we're level or losing. Or when i get home and my fucking dinner ain't ready.
We fundamentally disagree.
Your first point is that it's up to the team to get the fans excited. My point is that it's up to the supporters to support.
I have no argument against fans enjoying themselves, but without supporting the team that is self-indulgence, which is fair enough, but means they are fans rather than supporters.
Whether it's "Stand up if you hate Tottenham", "Stand up if you hate Arsenal", or "Stand up if you need a wee" it's still inciting the crowd to stand up, and the team or the state of the game becomes an irrelevance.
You can't argue that this sort of chanting is supporting the team, and at the same time argue that because of all-seater stadia, you can't get a supportive roar going. That's utter nonsense isn't it?
If someone can only support the team when they are doing well, doesn't that, by definition, make them a "fair-weather supporter", something that Tottenham supporters take a great deal of pride in accusing Arsenal, Manchester United and particularly, Chelsea supporters of being: "Where were you when you were Sh*t" comes to mind.
You are arguing both that chanting is supporting, and at the same time that a supportive roar won't come about unless the team is providing something that incites a roar. You are contradicting yourself.
Your comments about when roars occur are generally accurate. That is just what I'm arguing about: that instead of chanting at the opposition, and singing to enjoy themselves the fans would be better off roaring the team on in support, if they want the team to win. If they don't care about the team winning, but are only concerned with their status vis-a-vis the opposition's chants and singing then by all means carry on. They have every right to do what they like. My priority is the team playing well, with confidence, and winning, and I'm firmly of the view that roaring support and encouragement, rather than concentrating on singing your favourite songs, and out-insulting the opposition's fans, is the best way to help the team achieve that.
You disagree.
So be it.
We fundamentally disagree.
Your first point is that it's up to the team to get the fans excited. My point is that it's up to the supporters to support.
I have no argument against fans enjoying themselves, but without supporting the team that is self-indulgence, which is fair enough, but means they are fans rather than supporters.
Whether it's "Stand up if you hate Tottenham", "Stand up if you hate Arsenal", or "Stand up if you need a wee" it's still inciting the crowd to stand up, and the team or the state of the game becomes an irrelevance.
You can't argue that this sort of chanting is supporting the team, and at the same time argue that because of all-seater stadia, you can't get a supportive roar going. That's utter nonsense isn't it?
If someone can only support the team when they are doing well, doesn't that, by definition, make them a "fair-weather supporter", something that Tottenham supporters take a great deal of pride in accusing Arsenal, Manchester United and particularly, Chelsea supporters of being: "Where were you when you were Sh*t" comes to mind.
You are arguing both that chanting is supporting, and at the same time that a supportive roar won't come about unless the team is providing something that incites a roar. You are contradicting yourself.
Your comments about when roars occur are generally accurate. That is just what I'm arguing about: that instead of chanting at the opposition, and singing to enjoy themselves the fans would be better off roaring the team on in support, if they want the team to win. If they don't care about the team winning, but are only concerned with their status vis-a-vis the opposition's chants and singing then by all means carry on. They have every right to do what they like. My priority is the team playing well, with confidence, and winning, and I'm firmly of the view that roaring support and encouragement, rather than concentrating on singing your favourite songs, and out-insulting the opposition's fans, is the best way to help the team achieve that.
You disagree.
So be it.