Strange reverse in fortunes

[thfc1973]

Just saw a stat on us;
Ranked #1 20pts Dropped - from winning position

Wasnt it only last year that we had pretty much the opposite? Most points won from coming behind..?

Wierd. I wonder why that is?

 

[UpTownSpur]

Poch is over training them maybe. Too many double sessions taking their toll. A lot of the players look burnt out. Toby in particular seems to have dipped alarmingly. I can see most of our players having poor Euros. Poch needs to learn from this and make adaptations.

 

[cliff jones]

Just saw a stat on us;
Ranked #1 20pts Dropped - from winning position

Wasnt it only last year that we had pretty much the opposite? Most points won from coming behind..?

Wierd. I wonder why that is?

Well the last week or so hasn't helped.

Think a bigger problem of late appears to be the return of poor defending. We were flat today, but conspired to let them score from their only shots on target. Shite from Hugo, and the central players on both goals. Poor goal v wba, poor first goal at least at the Russians.

 

[Damian99]

We haven't conceded many goals this season and never more than 2? in a league game, but imo as good as we have been at the back in general, there is/has been occasions mainly gone unpunished when/where we have lost concentration at the back.

 

[Damian99]

Also think we need a real leader in the team.

 

[cliff jones]

Poch is over training them maybe. Too many double sessions taking their toll. A lot of the players look burnt out. Toby in particular seems to have dipped alarmingly. I can see most of our players having poor Euros. Poch needs to learn from this and make adaptations.

Poch has made loads of mistakes so far, but learnt very quickly from most of them.

Today most of the sideways passing after they pegged us back could be put down to tiredness.

The further upfield the fb s are, the less effective they are, or certainly in Cafu s case. They are better coming from deeper with momentum.

And we have no plan b, it's like for like really off the bench. He said we had enough up front but we didn't.

We are effective on the break but it could be argued don't have enough variety to see off inferior teams at at home, particularly if we are all square at the break and especially around the hour mark.

Can he find a way to deal with these issues and take us to the next level, and will he get the support from the board to do so?

Time will tell.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

It was a very disappointing match today but it's probably down to a long season. To comment on a couple of posts above, I think we have real leaders and I don't think they do double training sessions to a large degree between September and May. What I think is needed is probably just 3 signings who immediately expands Pochettino's core of trusted players. I think we have had just a bit too few players he really, truly trusts. Expanding that category of players a little bit will go a long way IMO.

 

[mpickard2087]

Today was a real clusterfuck and not really worth bringing into the discussion, but on the 'dropped points' stat... Well I'm not surprised. People like myself, @Bus-Conductor and others have highlighted constantly, even when we have won games, examples where we have surrendered the initiative in games (particularly second half). Usually a combination of dropping deeper, unable to retain the ball and keep possession, and some of the golden boys disappearing out of the game. I/we have often been criticised and get told the likes of 'you're too negative', 'too hard to please', 'just enjoy the win' etc etc. Maybe I am, doesn't mean its not happening and I'd rather things like game management were identified and improved on when we were winning, because no matter how good a team you are doing something badly will eventually come back and bite you on the arse.

This stat doesn't surprise me, and it's not even league games as some of the best examples have been the Europa games (Monaco and Anderlecht away for example).

 

[The Scarecrow]

Just saw a stat on us;
Ranked #1 20pts Dropped - from winning position

Wasnt it only last year that we had pretty much the opposite? Most points won from coming behind..?

Wierd. I wonder why that is?

I think we're still among the best teams at coming from behind.

 

[glospur]

Haven't we also gained the most points from losing positions this season? Swings and roundabouts.

 

[thfc1973]

I think we need to find a balance. When we're winning we need to put more emphasis on defending as thats a point in time we are vulnerable. Once we score we need to nullify the opposition and then build on that to press on to kill the game off. Tiredness definitely plays a part but I really do wonder if its a case of not managing the game properly - or rather better.

 

[Dov67]

the stats are slightly skewed because you wouldn't expect the likes of Villa to find themselves in winning positions too often. We take the lead often because we are a pretty good team.

That said, this is the one area of our game we must address in time for next season. Those should-have-been-win draws cost us a lot of points......our last 3 games for example

 

[eddiev14]

Poch has made loads of mistakes so far, but learnt very quickly from most of them.

Today most of the sideways passing after they pegged us back could be put down to tiredness.

The further upfield the fb s are, the less effective they are, or certainly in Cafu s case. They are better coming from deeper with momentum.

And we have no plan b, it's like for like really off the bench. He said we had enough up front but we didn't.

We are effective on the break but it could be argued don't have enough variety to see off inferior teams at at home, particularly if we are all square at the break and especially around the hour mark.

Can he find a way to deal with these issues and take us to the next level, and will he get the support from the board to do so?

Time will tell.

...and the Dele Alli and Dembele-shaped holes in our midfield.

The midfield options we have in reserve are such a drop-off in quality to our starters.

We seriously need to improve those options or bringing 'fresh legs' on at 70 minutes from the bench (and drafting them in when we have injuries) is going to continue to invite pressure on us.

 

[Dillspur]

Home work for the summer, seeing games out!

 

[Danfunkel]

Simple answer. We need more quality in the squad. Great first 11, but no one I could say would change a game if they came on.

Can sort this in the summer.

 

[danielneeds]

Lose the most points from winning positons? Gain the most points from losing positions? Argh.... My brain can't take it. Explosion inevitable...

 

[werty]

Pretty sure we were bad at it last year too. It's the main problem that's holding us back at the moment.

 

[SPURSLIFE]

Losing Ali for the last two and Dembele for today has made a big difference. Dembele was a one off but Ali has a problem that needs to be sorted before the start of next season or he will become a liability. For all his talent if he carries on the way he has this season he will be out quite a few times through the season.
If Ali had been available for both the last 2 games and Dembele today I'm sure the results would have been different. Probably a win against both Chelsea and Southampton. So a moment of stupidity by both may have cost us the title for one but certainly a guaranted 2nd place now it will possibly be 3rd and again Arse will finish above us AGAIN !!!

 

[Bobbins]

It's a problem but it's also a very misleading stat - when you're the top goal scorers in the division it means you'll score first a lot of the time - when you're Villa and score once every three games your stats for dropping points from winning positions will be great, because you're never in winning positions.

It is a problem for us amongst many but it's a pretty rubbish stat.

 

[Shea]

Also think we need a real leader in the team.

I agree

That and some extra additions to increase our strength in depth and options off the bench