Summer sell off list

[Syn_13]

Good list, I'd still add Chadli though. Don't care that he's new, he's had enough game time and we might as well sell while we can still get a good price.

Need to decide what we're going to do with Harry Kane, he's at the age now where he either needs to start getting minutes, even if as a backup, or we should let the lad move.

And call me crazy, but if someone came in with an offer of around the £15m mark for Townsend, I don't think I'd mind seeing him go..

I think Chadli can still do a decent job. I prefer him as a backup than Siggurdson, personally, and I've seen him play very well for Twente, so I'm hoping he can recapture that form at some point.

Kane is a good point, but the kid is only 20 so I'd rather we loaned him out than let him go. He won't be on much money either.

I completely agree about Townsend though. I know it's too easy to write off players at times, just look at Bale's amazing rise in ability, but there's something about Townsend when he plays that makes me wonder if he's got the mental fortitude to raise his game. Bale always seemed to get his head down and get on with his job, he was a year younger than Townsend is now when he had that amazing game against Inter that really catapulted his career, and I'm yet to see Townsend provide anything like that. Yes, players develop at different ages, and I'm not expecting him to be the next Bale, but I fear that it's another case of English hype. I don't think Levy would turn down an offer like £15m, but I don't think anyone would offer that anyway. Well, not unless City sold Rodwell and/or Milner and decided they needed to fill their English quota again. I think he's worth keeping as he can be a better player than Lennon is, but seriously needs some proper coaching. Otherwise we'll never get the best out of him, just like Lennon.

 

[Dazza86]

I think we lack anyone with an idea of how to create a balanced squad. Redknapp came in in a similar scenario and enforced his ideas on Levy. He balanced our squad and we looked infinitely better for the next 3 years.

I don't think it is simply a case of getting rid of most of our players. We need to add some balance and when we do, we need to invest in those positions and not just future potential. 2 or 3 quality players, not wholesale buying every time we have some money to spend - it keeps setting us back and we run the risk of not progressing because of it. It's practically the same scenario as when Ramos was sacked and hopefully we go to that next level from here.

A balance will make our other players look better as their weaknesses aren't as exposed. Dembele for example is fantastic at keeping the ball and eliminating one of their players but because we don't have anyone able to take the ball from him and play a killer pass, his limited passing range is highlighted.

If Levy is solely looking for a return, look for someone who is at or near the top of their game, who balances the team and find the return in the increased value of everyone else.

I'd still sell Siggy though. And Dawson. Livermore, BAE and freeing Gomes go without saying.

The rest are dependent. Rose if we can get in a first teamer (he won't be backup). Townsend if he fails to learn from a proper coach, so probably keep him this summer. Lennon if he doesn't want to be an impact sub.

 

[Lufti]

I think Chadli can still do a decent job. I prefer him as a backup than Siggurdson, personally, and I've seen him play very well for Twente, so I'm hoping he can recapture that form at some point.

Kane is a good point, but the kid is only 20 so I'd rather we loaned him out than let him go. He won't be on much money either.

I completely agree about Townsend though. I know it's too easy to write off players at times, just look at Bale's amazing rise in ability, but there's something about Townsend when he plays that makes me wonder if he's got the mental fortitude to raise his game. Bale always seemed to get his head down and get on with his job, he was a year younger than Townsend is now when he had that amazing game against Inter that really catapulted his career, and I'm yet to see Townsend provide anything like that. Yes, players develop at different ages, and I'm not expecting him to be the next Bale, but I fear that it's another case of English hype. I don't think Levy would turn down an offer like £15m, but I don't think anyone would offer that anyway. Well, not unless City sold Rodwell and/or Milner and decided they needed to fill their English quota again. I think he's worth keeping as he can be a better player than Lennon is, but seriously needs some proper coaching. Otherwise we'll never get the best out of him, just like Lennon.

Maybe, but to me he looks too slow to be top four PL standard.

I thought Kane was older tbh, can't believe he's the same age as me. In that case, loan the guy out again, to a PL team who will play him.

This second bold point is what worries me, as Sherwood said in an interview how Townsend needs to cut down on his shooting etc, yet he doesn't seem to have changed at all! He's possibly even got worse!

 

[brasil_spur]

Can't say i mind too much about the back-up keepers, so i'll stick with my list for the outfield players only:

Naughton - not even sure he's mid-table quality, certainly not for us
Dawson - weak and with Kaboul, Verts and Vlad all better than him, move him on and replace with better
Rose - good player for a mid-table team, but not a top 4/5 team
Sigurdsson - we don't have a place for him and he isn't as good as others we have
Chadli - not good enough
Soldado - if we can get £25m for him then sell, cut our loss and bring in someone else

 

[Syn_13]

Maybe, but to me he looks too slow to be top four PL standard.

I thought Kane was older tbh, can't believe he's the same age as me. In that case, loan the guy out again, to a PL team who will play him.

This second bold point is what worries me, as Sherwood said in an interview how Townsend needs to cut down on his shooting etc, yet he doesn't seem to have changed at all! He's possibly even got worse!

I take it you mean mentally slow, rather than physically? If the former then perhaps so, it's a criticism I have of Sigurdsson, although from what I saw of him at Twente he had a bit of trickery about him and I'm hoping he can develop that.

As for Townsend - didn't know Tim said that. It either means Tim talks a good game and isn't following up on it, or Townsend simply isn't listening. A new manager in the summer should answer that one.

 

[Vulcan10]

I think we lack anyone with an idea of how to create a balanced squad. Redknapp came in in a similar scenario and enforced his ideas on Levy. He balanced our squad and we looked infinitely better for the next 3 years.

I don't think it is simply a case of getting rid of most of our players. We need to add some balance and when we do, we need to invest in those positions and not just future potential. 2 or 3 quality players, not wholesale buying every time we have some money to spend - it keeps setting us back and we run the risk of not progressing because of it. It's practically the same scenario as when Ramos was sacked and hopefully we go to that next level from here.

A balance will make our other players look better as their weaknesses aren't as exposed. Dembele for example is fantastic at keeping the ball and eliminating one of their players but because we don't have anyone able to take the ball from him and play a killer pass, his limited passing range is highlighted.

This x 100.

Balance is the key, our midfield no matter what personnel or formation is so unbalanced it's ridiculous. There is no one who can play a cross field pass to someone in space or apply any sort of tempo. Next to a carrick/Modric type dembele and paulinho could flourish. Together with Bentaleb/capoue/whoever it doesn't work & is painful to watch.

We need to add the key players we need and play players in their best positions. If we have too many for the same role some will have to go even if they then flourish elsewhere. We can't expect players to change leagues and then not get a run in their best positions and do well. Who even knows what siggy, holtby, chadli's best positions are? Not me. But I do know it's not left wing where most have spent their time. Although fun at the time, our summer recruitment policy and lack of balance have left us in a mess.

We all want consistency and quality over quantity this summer i completely agree but my worry is that due to the unbalanced nature of the squad & current weak links quite a few positions still need attention.

Really we need two left backs unless fryers can step up next season as the reserve lb (I'm done with Rose)
Daws is probably going to have to stay (as 4th choice) as we already need a replacement for Kaboul & what if Jan leaves - that would be 3 CB's needed if daws went also. Not realistic I'm afraid.
Potentially a replacement for Hugo unless a big name manager convinces him to stay
Genuine wide left player unless somehow Townsend can find his England form (which was on the right anyway) for spurs.
Striker situation, what is going to happen with ade, Soldaldo, JD replacement. If ade goes off the boil/Soldaldo doesn't ever find the net again etc do we need reinforcements there?
Still desperately need a playmaker. Someone who can pass the ball forward quickly.

For this season what is eriksen's best position? Is he more luka or Vdv? Speak to him, find out what it is and for the love of god play him there consistently.

 

[Mr Pink]

Not sure if these quotes are that recent....but anyway Liverpool will apparently renew their interest in Siggy.

He'll probably go there next season and score 15-20 goals lol

http://www.footballdirectnews.com/p...rpool-chase-spurs-midfielder.php#.UwtySklFDIU

 

[TaoistMonkey]

Ones I think I'd like to cast off..

Rose
Naughton
Siggy
Townsend
Lennon

None of these players can take us forward. At all.

 

[parklane yid]

We have to many players who are similar , I don't mean same positions I mean players who only turn it on now and then, who are slow and swagger around the pitch, don't work hard for example

ADE ( although I do like him)
Dembele
Capoue
Chadli
Rose
Paulinho
Lennon

They don't get stuck in or chase lost causes, they only play well when things are going we ie Newcastle game, don't get me wrong I like these players but you need them to play along side grafters who chase every ball like sandro or samways we got totally bullied by Norwich

 

[Tott66]

Chadli
Naughton
Rose
Soldado
Siguurdsson

Sometimes things just don't happen,cut your losses and move on...maybe more to follow

 

[Phil-spur99]

Sell:

Rose - Not good enough for top 4/5 team. His level in mid tier PL at best, should have taken Sunderland's £8m offer.

Naughton - Mid level Championship - if we can get £3m then that would be a result.

Dawson - Too slow, caught out of position too often, too easily turned. Best used for games like Stoke away.

Chadli - Not sufficient quality for top 4/5. If we play 433 we need wingers who score /assist more like Chelsea or players in the Robben mould. Remy would have been a good option.

Lennon - Has been hear long enough and never really improved. Same comments as Chadli.

Townsend - I just don't see him being anything other than a one trick pony. Better to cash in now when his stock is high. Agreed if we got £15m it would be seriously worth considering.

Siggy - Don't see a place for him. Central midfield is too crowded and the £8m or so we might get should be put towards other areas of the squad that need to be more balanced.

Soldado - I think he is a good player, I don't knock him record in La Liga but expect far more than I have seen for £26m. I was expecting a Ruud Van Nistelrooy type player but I don't think Soldado has the pace or time on the ball he needs in this league. If we could get £20m back I would take it, best used in part ex back to La Liga although no chance of getting Costa.

Kane - A trier but not of necessary quality.

Benteleb - I would rather have Carroll when he is back next season.

We need to keep Verts, Walker, Sandro, Lamela, Eriksen, Ade. That is a good spine of a team. Consistency is the issue.

As for Hugo, I'd like to keep him but think he is more replaceable. There would be options - Dutch keeper at Fulham, Begovic, Krul or Reina.

 

[VoteMe4Prez]

I don't think we should sell Townsend. A proper coach next season could get so much more out of the guy

 

[Yakflange]

Personally I'd rather see as few players as possible out of the door. Pretty much every player we have is good enough to either be first XI or a decent backup, the issue is coaching them to be better and moulding them into a better team. This is far preferable to getting rid of ten and getting a new ten in - then we'll just be left with the same problem of players taking time to settle, get used to each other etc. If we keep pretty much everyone we have already, most of them will reward us by being better next season.

I'd rather see us sign one or two absolute top quality players, get rid of one or two at the bottom of the pecking order and get a decent manager who can get them all playing well and as a team.

 

[talkshowhost86]

I don't think we should sell Townsend. A proper coach next season could get so much more out of the guy

Much as I don't think our coaching has been up to much recently, I doubt he's being coached to be the Jermaine Defoe of wingers. I think like Defoe he is very good at the way he plays, but if someone manages to stifle that style of play then he's stuffed.

I know people don't like Lennon but I think there's a lot more nuance to his game than Townsend's. But I was hoping that the signings of players like Eriksen, Chadli and Lamela would mean that neither got much of a look in.

Sadly all of them, apart from Eriksen every now and again, they've all been a bit pap.

 

[TaoistMonkey]

Sell:

Rose - Not good enough for top 4/5 team. His level in mid tier PL at best, should have taken Sunderland's £8m offer.

Naughton - Mid level Championship - if we can get £3m then that would be a result.

Dawson - Too slow, caught out of position too often, too easily turned. Best used for games like Stoke away.

Chadli - Not sufficient quality for top 4/5. If we play 433 we need wingers who score /assist more like Chelsea or players in the Robben mould. Remy would have been a good option.

Lennon - Has been hear long enough and never really improved. Same comments as Chadli.

Townsend - I just don't see him being anything other than a one trick pony. Better to cash in now when his stock is high. Agreed if we got £15m it would be seriously worth considering.

Siggy - Don't see a place for him. Central midfield is too crowded and the £8m or so we might get should be put towards other areas of the squad that need to be more balanced.

Soldado - I think he is a good player, I don't knock him record in La Liga but expect far more than I have seen for £26m. I was expecting a Ruud Van Nistelrooy type player but I don't think Soldado has the pace or time on the ball he needs in this league. If we could get £20m back I would take it, best used in part ex back to La Liga although no chance of getting Costa.

Kane - A trier but not of necessary quality.

Benteleb - I would rather have Carroll when he is back next season.

We need to keep Verts, Walker, Sandro, Lamela, Eriksen, Ade. That is a good spine of a team. Consistency is the issue.

As for Hugo, I'd like to keep him but think he is more replaceable. There would be options - Dutch keeper at Fulham, Begovic, Krul or Reina.

What the!??

 

[moomin]

I don't think we should sell Townsend. A proper coach next season could get so much more out of the guy

not to mention he's a perfect last sub candidate. if there was anyone on our team that was capable of scoring a last minute goal out of nothing, it'd be him

 

[yankspurs]

not to mention he's a perfect last sub candidate. if there was anyone on our team that was capable of scoring a last minute goal out of nothing, it'd be him

Not even remotely close. If there was anyone capable of scoring a last minute goal, its Paulinho as he has done it for us. Townsend cannot even score a goal to begin with so him scoring a last minute goal is just so far out of the question

 

[moomin]

Not even remotely close. If there was anyone capable of scoring a last minute goal, its Paulinho as he has done it for us. Townsend cannot even score a goal to begin with so him scoring a last minute goal is just so far out of the question

the hate on townsend is so crazy to me. our squad is obnoxiously boring and chalk full of players that just play backpasses and run about for 90 minutes. townsend is in no way a world beater but our squad is crying out for a player like him and the only difference between his shots and the wonder goals bale was scoring last season is a couple inches (okay... a couple feet.... or a lot more on some attempts....). but as fans we are so impatient, but we should be encouraging him for atleast trying to make things happen. gareth bale wasn't gareth bale over night. not saying townsend will ever come close to being a bale, but he has the traits you look for in a player to come good. all good players look like ball hogs and shot wasters before things click for them. i hope we give him a proper opportunity to let things click. maybe im going a bit overboard in my support for townsend, but it's only in response to the irrational hate for him.

at the very least, he's a tottenham youth that loves the club, is on cheap wages, and seems to be okay with playing a bench/support role. we can't hope for any better. selling him would be bonkers.

 

[SEANSPURS1975]

1st out the door :-
Sherwood, Dawson, Rose, Naughton

Then :-
Sigurdsson, Kaboul(Just can't rely on him anymore), Gomes

Manager:- Louis Van Gaal
Lloris; Walker, Chiriches, Vertonghen, *NEW LEFT BACK*; Sandro, Dembele, Paulinho; Lamela, Adebayor, Eriksen.

Vejkovic, Fryers, Capoue, Bentaleb, Holtby, Lennon, Townsend, Chadli, Soldado, Kane.

Priority has to be a new left back. A striker next on list followed by a couple of back up defenders. Job done.

 

[We'llWinThePrem]

Dawson
Naughton
Lennon
Gomes
Sigurdsson
Kaboul (Crock)