Summer transfer wish list - 2018

[Ghost Hardware]

They can extend another year though ( without a release clause )

According to latest reports he has refused the extension which prompted my original question of can players do that.

 

[mill]

According to latest reports he has refused the extension which prompted my original question of can players do that.[/QUO

I guess it would depend on if there was a specific clause in his contract to allow him to

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

According to latest reports he has refused the extension which prompted my original question of can players do that.

Depends on the clause - there are really 3 types of options: Club options - club can unilaterally extend; Player options - player can unilaterally extend, or Mutual Options - both parties must agree to extend.

 

[Hengy1]

According to latest reports he has refused the extension which prompted my original question of can players do that.

Im sure it is a automatic extension by the club

 

[Trix]

According to latest reports he has refused the extension which prompted my original question of can players do that.

well I expect he was offered a different extension to the one already in his contract.

 

[SpursSince1980]

I'm just not so sure much change is needed over the summer. Yes, I can see the likes of Llorente, Jansen, Sissoko and N'Koudo leaving. But with the World Cup, and with so many of players participating, it seems like big change might be counterproductive. I would feel very satisfied with our dealings, if all we bought in was a really good number 8, to take the number 8 shirt. Anyone else would be a big, lovely bonus. But I wouldn't fret.

 

[ardiles]

According to latest reports he has refused the extension which prompted my original question of can players do that.

I think that they are referring to a new contract (extension) that the club has offered him.

 

[Guntz]

Could only see Martial coming if Lamela went.

 

[dtxspurs]

Could only see Martial coming if Lamela went.

Agreed, but not so sure that's a swap I'd want to make. I understand that Martial has the potential to become so much more than Lamela but I think Martial and Son/Lucas are redundant. Lamela brings something different than the rest of them. I know the other three each have their differences but Lamela is a pass first type of player and I prefer that to another dribbler/scorer.

 

[RichieS]

Could only see Martial coming if Lamela went.

Why? They're not the same sort of player at all.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

Agreed, but not so sure that's a swap I'd want to make. I understand that Martial has the potential to become so much more than Lamela but I think Martial and Son/Lucas are redundant. Lamela brings something different than the rest of them. I know the other three each have their differences but Lamela is a pass first type of player and I prefer that to another dribbler/scorer.

We could accommodate all of them if we play say 4141 against the bus parkers. Wanyama, Moura Alli Eriksen Son, Kane with say new GK, Aurier, Dier, Dembele, Sessegnon? Lamela, Martial on the bench.

 

[Joely]

More then us? Ether way, if he only has a year left on his contract they will sell to the highest bidder.

Believe Utd have an option to extend his contract by a further year so no panic for them quite yet. If Utd do sell him, no surprise if they look to move him on abroad and most likely PSG who apparently hold an interest in him and are probably one of only a few clubs outside of the EPL that will pay up what Utd want.

If he moves to another team in the EPL, it is out of ourselves, goons or chelsea and only way he moves to us is if they get one of ours in some kind of deal imo.

Him moving to Liverpool just seems a non starter due to their rivalry. Majority of Utd fans rate Martial and there would be uproar if they sold him to Liverpool. Think the last player to move between those 2 clubs was in 1964!

 

[dtxspurs]

We could accommodate all of them if we play say 4141 against the bus parkers. Wanyama, Moura Alli Eriksen Son, Kane with say new GK, Aurier, Dier, Dembele, Sessegnon? Lamela, Martial on the bench.

You want to line up a defense of Aurier, Dier, Dembele and Sessegnon? And you want a new GK?

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

You want to line up a defense of Aurier, Dier, Dembele and Sessegnon? And you want a new GK?

Thats about 1.5 defenders and a new GK. What could go wrong?

 

[TEESSIDE1]

You want to line up a defense of Aurier, Dier, Dembele and Sessegnon? And you want a new GK?

What? Where an Earth did I say that??? Read what I said again, all the aforementioned players are on the ‘bench’.

 

[dtxspurs]

What? Where an Earth did I say that??? Read what I said again, all the aforementioned players are on the ‘bench’.

You put a questions mark after Sessegnon which I took to mean what you predicted as a potential lineup. You listed exactly 11 players and then put a punctuation then said Lamela and Martial on the bench.

 

[TEESSIDE1]

You put a questions mark after Sessegnon which I took to mean what you predicted as a potential lineup. You listed exactly 11 players and then put a punctuation then said Lamela and Martial on the bench.

Sessegnon? as in if we sign him. For arguments sake - Lloris, back 4, Wanyama holding, 4 attacking midfielders in Moura, Alli, Eriksen, Son with Kane up top. There would then be sufficient space on the bench for Lamela and Martial.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Yeah but this is the third time they have approached us, after the previous two I'm not sure we'd entertain them tbh

What did they do to us though? We seemingly weren't used for a new contract or to flush out someone else. Mourinho got jealous of others courting his toys and actually used him for a spell (and got goals out of him until he got bored after the window closed!)

 

[ljinko888]

My two-cents. This is lengthy so I've put them in spoilers for the sake of clarity.

Goalkeeper:

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No change unless Vorm decides he wants to finish his career as a number one elsewhere in which case let him go with our blessing. Gazzaniga becomes sub keeper and Whiteman or another academy keeper takes up the ceremonial role of third-pick keeper.

Right Back:

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Neither Trippier or Aurier have cemented the spot as their own. If you combine their strengths you'll have the best right back in the world. Alas Trippier's lack of athleticism and Aurier's lack of subtlety can be glaring. Both are fine but the fact we bought a £25m player who on the evidence of his debut season is not as good as the incumbent is disappointing. Maybe he'll get better after one year to adapt but I haven't been too impressed and ultimately the loser is the 19 year old academy kid who is highly rated, was a starter in the England U20 World Cup team and was MOTM in our opening game. Walker-Peters probably needs to go on loan unless a vacancy emerges on the other flank which we can't fill.

Center Back:

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We haven't missed Alderweireld. Now keeping our best players is crucial, but I understand the issues behind the contract stand-off are unique. Toby is coming off a lengthy lay-off, he's turning 30 soon and the terms he wants puts the club in a bother. He might not be the same player. Knee injuries are serious and Poch was vindicated not taking him to Turin given how he was so far off the pace against Rochdale. The flip-side is we sell him and he does regain his old form and then a City or Utd get a classy defender who not only nips in and puts out fires but is a composed and dynamic passer.

I would keep him and see if he firstly returns to form, and secondly a compromise can be made i.e. Spurs are top of the league in December and that additional £30k is secondary to a potential medal. I am just concerned at the knock off effect a summer sale will have, given Walker will have a league medal in May. I think "my way or the highway" is brave but in some cases the management should be pragmatic. Toby is contracted to 2019. No player is bigger than the club so if the club says you have to fulfill your contract, everyone gets the message.

Dier has good spells at the back and in midfield. His adaptability enables us to switch positional play fluidly. The full backs push on, the center backs pull wide and he slots into the space behind. One day he will have to nail a position outright but not too soon.

As for the others, Foyth looked good against lowly opposition. Should get some lesser PL games next season. I like the sound of De Ligt coming. But maybe we have to find a short term option. De Ligt needs development time and would we (or anyone else in the league) be able to do so immediately to justify the fee quoted. Not to mention we might have to look at the number of homegrown players. ITK suggested we were very interested in Mawson last summer? Tarkowsi? Incomings are entirety dependent on Toby ultimately.

Carter-Vickers needs to go because he's fallen a long way out of the picture. No point holding him back.

Left Back:

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This is quite simple for me. Davies has cemented himself. Rose hasn't been impressive in the games he's played and although he was good on Saturday, there's not many games left to make his mark. Ideally he stays and we have two fantastic players competing. However Rose can get his move if he still wants it, provided a good offer comes in. The difference between Rose and Toby is we've had long enough to assess Rose while he's been available. He's been back in the fold since November. Granted he hasn't had a long run in the team, but he hasn't been outcast either.

Clearly Poch thinks Davies is our number one now and the performances don't dispute it. Rose hasn't played to a £40m+ level for over a year. I doubt anyone will offer that now but if they do, I'd say thanks for all these years of service and move on. If Utd do a swap deal with Shaw, arguably we'd get the better deal. Because Shaw has already starred under Poch and has his peak years ahead. Both have not got the same relevance post-injury but while Shaw has an upside, Rose might have hit his peak already. Alternatively, if we push the boat out for Sessegnon, while he will be an attacking forward no doubt in the future, the fact he can play left back means he can still play a healthy amount of games for experience and development. Competing with four very good attackers for a wing spot, or one very good defender for the left back spot. He will play games.

Central Midfield:

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Lots of options when all fit which is a rarity. Dembele's best form ironically has come when he started games without a break as opposed to having his games managed. That run of big games earlier in the year he was different gravy. Wanyama's loss for half the season and his slow return has been understated. He was awesome in his debut campaign and while everyone raves about Dembele's elegance, Wanyama too has a fleet-footed nature about him. Unlike Dier, he can beat the press with quick feet and in doing so can lead a charge. I like Dier. He screens very well. It's just the first two are more than just screens.

Winks is someone who I feel a bit sad for. This season looked to be his year and when he was starting all the CL games and big league games, he never looked out of place. His simple ability to move the ball quickly and buy himself time on the ball is more of a continental quality than British. But he also has the passion for the club to do the hard yards. Injury has curtailed his season again so a full pre-season is needed. Sissoko is a favorite of Poch but I like most people on here would rather see his minutes given to a more useful player. Nice guy, seems a popular figure but he's just not got the quality to be a starter and again having a player like that blocks the path for younger players who could have more upside. I don't think this area needs immediate attention but a player like Ndidi could be an option for a Dembele successor in the coming years. Very impressive all-round game for 21 years old. However a creative option will also be valuable. There's a lot of bustle in our midfield but not so much in way of an conductor. Eriksen is doing a wonderful job but if we can have another player who can start attacks from deep that will free Eriksen to pop up in more promising positions knowing he can share the playmaking duties. Kovacic is my dream pick for this team.

Attacking Midfield:

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Very exciting options. Eriksen is the lynch-pin and comes up with important goals to go with assists and running the show. Alli for someone who has been lambasted a lot is quietly having a very productive campaign (12 goals and 17 assists). He has operated in a deeper starting position than before and has demonstrated more all-round qualities. The guy is still early into his career and has been the victim of his own success in some ways. Son is a fine player who is like our Alexis Sanchez. This season he has been better in fact. He brings tremendous energy, directness, goals and prowess. The fact he can play with both feet is a very valuable asset. Lamela is *like a new signing*. He combines skill and close control with a bit of snide. Lucas hopefully will be the top-class dribbler we have been looking for - the type of player who can pull something out of the bag even when the team and system is struggling. I think we're good to go without additions this summer. However Martial would be awesome for his potential but also playing under an attacking coach. Regardless what is special about this group is they dovetail nicely with each other and have a good blend of skill, speed, power and productivity. Sessengon as mentioned above, if signed, is another option.

Striker:

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Kane is Kane. Llorente and Janssen are out of the door. The problem is, when Harry is fit he starts and plays full games. It's very difficult for a "back-up striker" to find any rhythm when he gets six minutes here and twelve minutes there. The only time we will play something resembling two up top is when we play three at the back, but Alli or Son take the role of a second striker because they have the ability to intertwine across the final third rather than just be another front-man. I believe the idea behind Janssen and Llorente is that they were identified as having similar attributes to Kane, just a big downgrade in quality and execution. That's why we don't change our way of play when they're on the pitch which often led to bemusement...."why don't we just lump balls in the box..."

The solution is not to have "back-up" strikers. Have another wide forward, like Son, who can play down the middle but can also be a viable option in other positions. Martial fits the bill. Alternatively allow an academy prospect the chance to take that mantle. Most probably we will continue using Son as the auxiliary striker when Kane is out, because Lucas and Lamela can play on the wings. Ultimately I think unless a very special talent comes available, we should just keep our money and work for solutions internally because it's not worth taking up a spot for a player who will only see the pitch in emergency.

 

[dtxspurs]

Sessegnon? as in if we sign him. For arguments sake - Lloris, back 4, Wanyama holding, 4 attacking midfielders in Moura, Alli, Eriksen, Son with Kane up top. There would then be sufficient space on the bench for Lamela and Martial.

He's still sitting on the bench though. I just don't think it makes sense to bring him in.