Sunderland Vs Tottenham: Match Thread

[kaz Hirai]

I watch every one of our games, and the majority of games televised. I try and attend as many games as I can too - at all levels.

I have just watched Philadelphia Union snatch a draw right at the death against the New York Red Bulls in the MLS. I know they have a Cup Final midweek but they shouldn't have rested so many players tonight, not when right in the playoff hunt.

Anyway, I remember Lennon playing in the hole away at Chelsea in the FA Cup under Jol and he absolutely destroyed them but then he changed it and we blew a two goal lead and never played him there again.

Lennon was great in that game. But he has played in the hole a few times since, and every time he has been damn awful in that role

 

[Main Man]

Can't be bothered to read through the thread but I hope everyone has calmed down now. We have 3 winnable games coming up with a chance to build up some momentum in time for the Goons. Hopefully Fazio and Stambouli will be up to speed by then too.

I would encourage you to read through the thread, and not be blighted by certain peoples perceptions of others comments.

I don't think I have found one comment which has criticised our performance in general today, yet some people are throwing a tantrum because they don't think people should be disgruntled at the way we threw away victory.

 

[Main Man]

Lennon was great in that game. But he has played in the hole a few times since, and every time he has been damn awful in that role

When?

 

[Grapo2001]

It wasn't unlucky, it was entirely preventable.

Kaboul, Chiriches and then Kane could all have dealt with it.

Oh piss off mate. The lad has had a great start to the season and it came through a few players and bobbled off him and in. Of course it was unlucky.

 

[Main Man]

I am not criticising Harry Kane, and I have made no reference to his start to the season or general ability whatsoever.

But today; he, Kaboul and Chiriches could all have prevented Sunderlands 2nd goal.

They had a greater role to play in that goal than Lady Luck.

 

[kaz Hirai]

When?

I'm pretty sure avb played him in that position a few times and he was ineffective.cant remember the specific games.

Lennon is what he is. An old fashioned touchline winger with no other dimensions to his play. Why he's struggling to get into our new fluid style attack were Chadli.lamela and eriksen all play in the hole

 

[shelfmonkey]

We have no finisher, and that's not Poch's fault. Been like it for season after season.

Been saying this myself......... season after season

 

[shelfmonkey]

Some say we were unlcky, others say we were shit. I think some of our players were unlucky, Coco, Kane and some(or one in particular), Adebayor were shit. But our biggest problem is still finishing off chances, for whatever reason the club will not or cannot identify and buy quality up front! Look at Southampton, Koeman has the heart of his team ripped out but the club are still able to go out and find a striker that sticks the ball in the net and not for an extortionate fee or wages, ok , so you'll say 'well, Newcastle are shit'!! Well, guess what, we made Sunderland look shit and should have buried them before Kane's og. So wtf have Levy, the scouts, Baldini and/or whoever else is/has been involved in procuring players, been doing for all these years? Have they been watching totally different Spurs games to the rest of us? I just don't get it, it's what frustrates me most, even more than our Keystone Cops defending when you consider we've out performed most teams we've played in terms of chance creation for each of the past, god knows how many seasons!!!

 

[ostrov]

...of course it is. It's not the top of the table, competing with the big teams.

If we win 50% games against top 4 but lose 50% to teams lower than us and still finish in top 6, will you call it competing with the big?

 

[sak11]

One of the weakest refereeing performances I have seen in a while. He just let them kick seven shades of shit out of us until it was too late to matter.

We are a work in progress... But at least we are actually making some visible progress compared to the stagnant football we have had for the last season or two.

 

[spurs mental]

Only watched highlights on MOTD, but we hit the post and bar, and that OG was quite unlucky. We had most of the play and quite a few chances. By the looks of it we should have won that game, but hey, Liverpool lost yesterday, Arse and Man City drew, and United are still only on 2 points. It's not all bad. Some more positives and with 34 games to go we are already seeing signs of large improvement from last season.

 

[stevenurse]

Only watched highlights on MOTD, but we hit the post and bar, and that OG was quite unlucky. We had most of the play and quite a few chances. By the looks of it we should have won that game, but hey, Liverpool lost yesterday, Arse and Man City drew, and United are still only on 2 points. It's not all bad. Some more positives and with 34 games to go we are already seeing signs of large improvement from last season.

No doubt, but seeing the same defensive cock ups that we have for years is still a worry

 

[spurs mental]

No doubt, but seeing the same defensive cock ups that we have for years is still a worry

I agree, but no Vertonghen yesterday, and Fazio to come in, Walker to come back and Rose playing well so far this season, the outlook again, is positive. Who knows how long it will be before Walker is back though!

 

[tomo]

We played pretty well but looked vulnerable to the counter and as soon as a cross comes in our area we shit ourselves.
I agree we are progressing but we need a world class player to link the whole think together. Dembele played well in the role yesterday but another find like Modric would be nice - easier said than done.
Lamela looked good. Wasted a few crosses but he wanted the ball and caused problems. He needs a few goals to settle him down and then I think we could have a bit of a player.

 

[stevenurse]

I agree, but no Vertonghen yesterday, and Fazio to come in, Walker to come back and Rose playing well so far this season, the outlook again, is positive. Who knows how long it will be before Walker is back though!

Whilst I also agree with that, and I'm trusting poch, as a defender can see fazios quality. Apart from Verthonghen (and even he has been poor for over a year), our defenders are all 2/10 or 9/10 players.

They can all be brilliant but also complete toilet, never a solid 7 game.

Naughton/Rose/Vlad/Kaboul/ especially. Davies and Dier it's maybe too early to say plus they are also young, but even walker at times. if he wasn't quick he'd be bang in trouble and this injury business is worrying.

 

[scottlag10]

But isn't the game all about winning? Or just about becoming a stylish showcase?

I do NOT doubt that we will improve under Poch, but in all seriousness this was Sunderland we were playing today. Fucking Sunderland. Some in here are spouting on about them only having two shots on goal, which should indicate just how embarrassing the final result was.

Now Gaz, towards the end of last season we had a 3-3 draw away to WBA in April and I expressed my disappointment that we had dropped points against them. You then said something along the lines of 'there are no easy games in the premiership, an away point is a good point, if you think we should just roll everybody over 4 or 5-0 you should go support Citeh!
Now, have you changed your mind or was that just you desperately trying to back your position on Sherwood at the time?

 

[shelfboy68]

Some say we were unlcky, others say we were shit. I think some of our players were unlucky, Coco, Kane and some(or one in particular), Adebayor were shit. But our biggest problem is still finishing off chances, for whatever reason the club will not or cannot identify and buy quality up front! Look at Southampton, Koeman has the heart of his team ripped out but the club are still able to go out and find a striker that sticks the ball in the net and not for an extortionate fee or wages, ok , so you'll say 'well, Newcastle are shit'!! Well, guess what, we made Sunderland look shit and should have buried them before Kane's og. So wtf have Levy, the scouts, Baldini and/or whoever else is/has been involved in procuring players, been doing for all these years? Have they been watching totally different Spurs games to the rest of us? I just don't get it, it's what frustrates me most, even more than our Keystone Cops defending when you consider we've out performed most teams we've played in terms of chance creation for each of the past, god knows how many seasons!!!

Quality up front costs money good money and thats where it ends for Our chairman as We all know.
Profit before success all day Long.

 

[only1waddle]

Quality up front costs money good money and thats where it ends for Our chairman as We all know.
Profit before success all day Long.

Cheer up

 

[Gassin's finest]

With that forward line we are always likely to score goals, and we got 2.

However, with that defence we are always likely to concede, and we conceded two.

Simple. As. That.

 

[nowayjose]

Didnt see the game, but what i thought was cool, and promising as far as gradual progress goes, and it might already been mentioned was the Poch quotes after analysing the liverpool game

“Because we had time, we had two weeks to prepare for Sunderland and a lot of players were away. We had time to analyse it."
“We need to improve in a lot of things but we need to improve our mental preparation.
“The most important thing was that we analysed the first seven minutes because that was the key."

That lead to goals in the first minutes of both halfs, which gives something to build on, now obviously they let in early again as well but all work in progress...