Taarabt to be sold!

[SpurSince57]

I don't think it can have lasted since the beginning of September.

 

[joey55]

uhm hasnt he been at some international youth thingy mabob for the last few games

Actually someone did say something about that the other day.

 

[Defsta]

Fucking twat. He is what... 17 or 18? And he wants first team football? He needs to prove himself first.

Forgot to add that I don't rate the **** at all.

C'ya in 24 hours :adios:


And I don't think that he'll be sold as he's still under 20 and will get his chance sooner or later. Just little hard work :think:

 

[tony0379]

Yes, I don't rate him as I said. I think he is a waste of money that could have been spent elsewhere.

what the peanuts we spent on him

 

[hybridsoldier]

and mass delerium and over-reaction ensue from a factless rumour....transfer window here we come

 

[joey55]

Comolli lured Taarabt to club with the promise of first team football; Jol dutifully kept him involved in the first team set up, doing enough to keep him happy without doing anything silly like playing him when it mattered. If Ramos is freeezing him out it is perhaps an early indication that he is going to be less obliging than Jol when it comes to being Comolli's bitch.

This is at the crux of why I find the whole appointment of Ramos bizzare. Looking at the players Ramos was successful with at Seville and the players Comolli has brought to Spurs and St Etienne, it seems they have very little in common. Obvioulsy there will be cross over examples, but in general the fact they are from different football cultures is very evident. I can't think of a single example of when a Director of Football from one culture and a coach from another have been successful. I'd say a Latin style coach, needs a Latin Director of Football. There is definitely a correlation between style of football and the colonial history of the country. In general the Prem and French leagues have a much greater African influence which suits the power and pace of our football. Whilst Spain has a far greater South American influence which fits in well with their more technical and tactical game.

To me this surely has to mean there will be key differences in the way people from these different football cultures will want to build teams. As far as I know Comolli didn't sign a single player who wasn't of African descent when he was at St Etienne and other than Berbs and Rocha, i'm pretty sure all his signings from abroad for Spurs, are of African descent. Of the Sevilla players used this year 17 of 26 have come from Latin countries. The only other example of a Spannish coach coming over here is Benitiez and of the 31 players he signed for the 1st team, 17 of them have been from Latin countries. And this is clear in the way they play football. Having seen a fair bit of Sevilla in recent weeks, I see so few of our players as suitable for "Ramos" football, which means major changes will need to be made. Which, given the reason for the two tier system was to avoid major upheaval, seems odd to me.

 

[don1]

its Taarabt turn to be slated today:bang: give it another week and it will be ramos turn:shrug:

 

[paxtonyiddo]

I thought he looked promising the few times ive seen him play. Hope this isnt true.

 

[CaptainCat]

Don't understand the criticism he's been getting in this thread. He seems very talanted and, despite what others will have you believe, has a pretty good eye for a pass. It's a shame that all people ever remember of him is his stepovers.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

If true, which I'd be very sceptical of it being, it suggests to me that Taarabt has been taking too much notice of what his agent has been saying , such as "in France he is considered the new Zidane." To me Taarabt looks talented , but nothing special. Dribbling skills and step overs are the worst attributes to judge young players on, as they are exciting things to watch and allow people to get carried away. For all his skills, he's not a patch on Gareth Bale, who is even younger than him. Passing, crossing, tackling, vision and shooting are all attributes that I'd rather see in a player before step overs etc. I'm yet to see evidence of any real quality from Taarabt in those departments. I'm not saying he wont develop to be a great player, but I definitely think he's been way over hyped and this may well have given him a bit of an ego.

Would have been fucking lovely if those stepovers had turned into the the next Christiano Ronaldo though wouldn't it.

With players like taarabt you really want a great coach to get hold of them and say "look sonny, it's not about the step over, it's about where the step over gets you" end product, team game etc.etc.

Mourinho had a really positive effect in harnessing Joe Cole I thought. And Ferguson really improved the productivity and awareness of Ronaldo. I can remember people thinking he was just a twinkle toed dandy when he first arrived.

I'm not saying Taarabt is in that league - I really can't say I've seen anywhere near enough to decide - but he does have raw talent, just very erratic from the little I've seen.

 

[coffer]

Yeh, Like Cristiano Ronaldo he was a step over king as well when he first played for manur. Give the guy a break for god's sake!

 

[camaj]

What happened to freedom of speech?

Freedom of speech is fine but why just believe some rumour? If it was an undisputed fact then you'd be entitled to judge but you can't just condemn people because you heard something that's probably false

 

[yanno]

This is at the crux of why I find the whole appointment of Ramos bizzare. Looking at the players Ramos was successful with at Seville and the players Comolli has brought to Spurs and St Etienne, it seems they have very little in common. Obvioulsy there will be cross over examples, but in general the fact they are from different football cultures is very evident. I can't think of a single example of when a Director of Football from one culture and a coach from another have been successful. I'd say a Latin style coach, needs a Latin Director of Football. There is definitely a correlation between style of football and the colonial history of the country. In general the Prem and French leagues have a much greater African influence which suits the power and pace of our football. Whilst Spain has a far greater South American influence which fits in well with their more technical and tactical game.

To me this surely has to mean there will be key differences in the way people from these different football cultures will want to build teams. As far as I know Comolli didn't sign a single player who wasn't of African descent when he was at St Etienne and other than Berbs and Rocha, i'm pretty sure all his signings from abroad for Spurs, are of African descent. Of the Sevilla players used this year 17 of 26 have come from Latin countries. The only other example of a Spannish coach coming over here is Benitez and of the 31 players he signed for the 1st team, 17 of them have been from Latin countries. And this is clear in the way they play football. Having seen a fair bit of Sevilla in recent weeks, I see so few of our players as suitable for "Ramos" football, which means major changes will need to be made. Which, given the reason for the two tier system was to avoid major upheaval, seems odd to me.

Joey55 - I always find your posts interesting and thought-provoking, and this is no exception. I'm not sure you're identifying the most important issue about the likely relationship between Ramos and Comolli here though.

There have already been a few suggestions that Ramos and his "Latin" DoF @ Sevilla did not always see eye-to-eye about player signings (eg Juande allegedly wanted Jarque, and Monchi signed the Colombian CB Mosquera instead). So, Ramos' relationship with DoF @ Sevilla may not have been one of pure hamony.

Also, the lack of a proper DoF at Liverpool has allowed Rafa Benitez to make some, frankly, shocking signings from Spain & South America, some of whom have already been shipped back to their host countries as patently not up to the physical demands of the EPL. Ideally, Ramos' knowledge of Spanish players and Comolli's expertise in the French market should enable us to consider a larger pool of players before trying to sign the best ones - so I see that as more of an opportunity than a problem, looking forwards at least.

However, looking backwards, I entirely agree with you that there are not that many players in the current Spurs squad who look well suited to Ramos' preferred system, and style of play. But my concern about the relationship between Ramos and his DoF - as I wrote in the dragon1 thread today - is not about the Latin versus French/African clash, but rather that the players recruited under Jol were signed to play a different sort of football in a different system . And that the notion of player continuity being guaranteed by a DoF system is therefore bollox.

And, unfortunately, young Adel Taarabt is a shining example. Comolli appears to have lured him with promises of early first-team football. Jol attempted to keep him sweet with 5 minutes here and there. But now Ramos is busy trying to impose an entirely different system onto his squad and does not have the luxury of time in trying to accommodate a young, talented but totally indisciplined player. And the only position I can see Taarabt playing for Ramos is wide left, and that's not his natural position. It's a great shame because Taarabt, like Huddlestone, clearly has a lot of natural ability.

 

[orkneyspur]

Now excuse me for bringing FACTS into the discussion, but Taraabt only played two games this season for Martin Jol before he was sacked. Both of these were in August and both as sub. He had clearly not been figuring in Martin Jol's plans before Ramos arrived and to state that he has been overlooked because of the change in management is not correct.
I like Taraabt and believe he has a future with the club, but Ramos will play the people who were around the first team, before he gets to the real fringe players and I'm afraid Taraabt HAS been a fringe player way before Ramos arrived.

Neg rep is deserved for not checking facts. :shrug:

 

[DoublePivot]

Heard today, from someone with links to one or two players, that our young frenchman is not happy at the moment. He feels he's not been given a chance by Ramos and has let it be known around the club that if he isn't involved with the 1st team by Christmas he'l ask for a transfer! Apparently Ramos has heard the above and isn't impressed with it or his attitude! Sounds like it could be a short stay at Spurs for Adel.

I could see him wanting to go. It's not that he won't be given a chance as much as he doesn't really have a fit in the new structure. He's an AM, and while someone like Steed is too, Steed has been able to fill gaps. Taraabt won't be given the the luxury to fill in at LM, HM or RM really. It seemed inevitable when Ramos was hired, as players like him don't fit the system. I wouldn't have any hard feelings if he wanted to go. Just get him out of the country :grin:

 

[hybridsoldier]

does anyone actually remember his cameo against derby? his pass completion % was 0, because he didnt pass the ball! A total show pony!

 

[ever]

does anyone actually remember his cameo against derby? his pass completion % was 0, because he didnt pass the ball! A total show pony!

if he didn't pass the ball then how can he his pass completion be 0% surely to get such a shite percentage he would have had to at least attempt and fail 1 pass.

did your school not do maths?

 

[sloth]

This is at the crux of why I find the whole appointment of Ramos bizzare. Looking at the players Ramos was successful with at Seville and the players Comolli has brought to Spurs and St Etienne, it seems they have very little in common. Obvioulsy there will be cross over examples, but in general the fact they are from different football cultures is very evident. I can't think of a single example of when a Director of Football from one culture and a coach from another have been successful. I'd say a Latin style coach, needs a Latin Director of Football. There is definitely a correlation between style of football and the colonial history of the country. In general the Prem and French leagues have a much greater African influence which suits the power and pace of our football. Whilst Spain has a far greater South American influence which fits in well with their more technical and tactical game.

To me this surely has to mean there will be key differences in the way people from these different football cultures will want to build teams. As far as I know Comolli didn't sign a single player who wasn't of African descent when he was at St Etienne and other than Berbs and Rocha, i'm pretty sure all his signings from abroad for Spurs, are of African descent. Of the Sevilla players used this year 17 of 26 have come from Latin countries. The only other example of a Spannish coach coming over here is Benitiez and of the 31 players he signed for the 1st team, 17 of them have been from Latin countries. And this is clear in the way they play football. Having seen a fair bit of Sevilla in recent weeks, I see so few of our players as suitable for "Ramos" football, which means major changes will need to be made. Which, given the reason for the two tier system was to avoid major upheaval, seems odd to me.

I don't agree with much there I'm afraid, although its well thought out. Unfortunately the central premise feels shaky and without that the rest comes tumbling down.

I think all sides are more adaptable than you make out.

 

[SpurSince57]

Before anyone dismisses Tomspurs' info out of hand, I suggest you check his posting record. His first post here said we'd be signing Taarabt. This appeared several hours ahead of the news in l'Equipe. I'm not sure when the ITKs on COYS and FTL posted their info.

One certain fact is that Taarabt hasn't figured for us in any role since a ressies game on 3rd September, in which his performance left BOF, Eddie and SpursOdyssey's match reporter seriously unimpressed. He may have been involved in a youth tournament in France, but I've yet to hear of a youth tournament lasting two-and-a-half months. Draw your own conclusions.

I wouldn't assert that Taarabt would not fit into a Ramos side, but from what I've seen of Sevilla JR's checklist for players that float his boat probably doesn't include boxes for fannying about and wanting your own personal ball. I don't imagine that Jol's did, either.

 

[truespur]

the boy will be a quality player, with or without us. i feel he should be more involved in the team