Team v the Scum

[danielneeds]

Well last season, the 1st 3 games against the top 3 saw us play 4-5-1 against Man U cfc and Arse and lost 3-1 3-0 3-0

2nd set of 3 games we played 4-4-2 and we beat both Arse and cfc 2-1 lossing to man u 3-1

Im not suggesting we play a system yet, as we need to see who is available, But i would suggest 4-4-2 is an option. In my mind if we play a defensive game, a play not to lose, we will in fact lose, and i would even predict we will concede 3 goals...again.

Spurs are at "our" best when we take the game forward. not trying to shut up shop, our defense, the players we have, are not "the bus" more the F1 :razz:

It wasn't the formation that saw us lose so pitifully away to Chelsea and Arse last season, it was belief. We played Crouch upfront at Emirates, but nobody showed the belief to get up and support, they merely tried to hold what we had at the time.

451 with Crouch and VDV isn't really 451 anyway. Hopefully the latter will enjoy going into the enemy's den and really inspire the rest of the team to go at them.

 

[spursandbarca]

defoe was already training will get a special arranged game mid week. ledley should be fine as well

gomes

hutton gallas king bae


vdv thudd modric BALE


pav defoe.

4-4-2 it works much better. the scum will play 4-3-3 extra man in midfield to close fabregas down

 

[stevenqoz]

---------Gomes
Hutton Gallas Kaboul BAE
Bentley Modric Jenas Bale
--------VDV
------------Crouch/Pav

 

[Stavrogin]

It's a ball breaker...

We were very open against Blackburn, they could operate between our defence and midfield at will - we can't really allow that against arsenal.

On the other hand, Palacios and Sandro are hardly in great form and if we try to be a little more defensive it will surely fail whilst making us less potent in attack.

The crux of it is whether we play well. If we're on form then playing the same side as yesterday could work, because they're hardly rock solid themselves. But if they manage to zerg effectively in midfield, I can see problems for Jenas and Modric and both Crouch and Pavlyuchenko having very quiet games.

We could try:
Jenas-Palacios-Modric-Bale
VdV-Crouch/Palyuchenko

Under the provisio that we were going to attack attack attack. Hutton would push up and when VdV roves about the onus would be on Jenas to support the striker.

 

[spudtrader]

It wasn't the formation that saw us lose so pitifully away to Chelsea and Arse last season, it was belief. We played Crouch upfront at Emirates, but nobody showed the belief to get up and support, they merely tried to hold what we had at the time.

451 with Crouch and VDV isn't really 451 anyway. Hopefully the latter will enjoy going into the enemy's den and really inspire the rest of the team to go at them.

Some may argue the two go hand in hand.. 4 5 1 is a slightly more negative formation, whereas 442 suggests we will go for the win and have confidence in our game plan.

 

[agrdavidsfan]

-----------Gomes-----------------
Hutton----Gallas----Kaboul--Ekotto
----------------------------------
------------Jenas--------------
--------------------Modric--------
Bentley----------------------Bale
--------------VDV---------------
---------------Crouch----------

Crouch will kill koschelny if he can play? and squillaci

 

[brett.spurs]

I remember people saying Crouch will kill Vermaelen last year and I don't think he won a single header against him. God that game was horrific, all we did was get to the halfway line, give it to Bentley so he could boot it upto Crouch to lose the header, was absolutely zero pace in that side. We missed JD and Lennon's pace that game and it looks like it could well be the same again.

 

[ShelfSide18]

Gomes
Hutton Gallas Kaboul Disco
Jenas Palacios
VDV Modric Bale
Crouchlyuchenko​

 

[Raxscallion]

Some may argue the two go hand in hand.. 4 5 1 is a slightly more negative formation, whereas 442 suggests we will go for the win and have confidence in our game plan.

I don't agree that it's necessarily more negative. It really depends on who your 5 are, and how you play them. A midfield / attack of

Lennon Gio VDV Modric Bale

Pav
​

would be less 'negative' than

Jenas Hudd Wilson Sandro

Pav Crouch​

(I'm not saying either would be a sensible line up, just using an extreme example to illustrate the point)

 

[YiddoJames]

Yeah let's go "4-4-2" .. that's worked the past 68 times we've tried winning away to any of the "Big 4"

NOT :roll:

We tried going 1 up front at the Emirates last year and got tonked 3-0.

We never looked like scoring.

We also lost 3-0 to Chelsea away doing the same thing, if I remember rightly.

Attacking is our strength, defending is not. Go with your strengths I say.

 

[brett.spurs]

We had Keane and Crouch upfront against Arsenal, Keane and Defoe against Chelsea, Crouch/Defoe at Anfield, Defoe/Pav at Old Trafford - last season.

 

[spurs mental]

We'll be playing most of the game on the break I reckon. We could go with the same team as yesterday, which did well. Or we could go with this, if Lennon is fit, because Clichy has a bit of a mare against anyone who can run at him.

Gomes

Hutton Kaboul Gallas Bale

Lennon VDV Jenas Modric

Crouch Pav​

The only problem is that middle doesn't have a proper holding player, and we're most likely going to need a presser/holder like Palacios/Sandro. Jenas could do that job, but we would be incredibly open, which I don't think we'd get away with against the scum.

 

[samspurs92]

Can anyone update me on the injury status of King, Hudd, Lennon and Defoe? Are they all in line to come back next weekend?

 

[ShelfSide18]

I think people are again getting bogged down by the dogmatic notion of team formations rather than talk about the way we as a team should be attempting to play. To me it doesn't particularly matter the order of which we put the players down on a teamsheet, but more how that we go out and play with freedom, fluidity and dynamism, and perhaps more importantly how hard we work off the ball, how we press and then how we keep the ball.

We could send out a 451/433 and play rigid, unmoving straight line football whilst we could send out a bog standard 442 and play with freedom and fluidity - it really doesn't matter how Andy Gray puts the team down on his Microsoft Paintshop program on monday night football at all.

If you look at the way Modric and VDV play, they don't have a set position, they drift, they create space, they come deep, they work the space, create it and exploit it and the more shackles you put on them to stick to a particular area you compromise a lot of their qualities - thats what we need next weekend, but I think the most important thing we need to do is have a foundation of Jenas and Palacios to build from - to press and hurry the likes of Fabregas and Wilshere - you don't beat Arsenal if you don't do the things that allow the Modric/Bale/VDV to do their damage.

 

[Yid121]

Gomes
Hutton--- Gallas Kaboul--- BAE
----Hudd?/Wilson-Modric-----
-Lennon-----VDV--------Bale
------------Crouch-------

If Lennons injured put Modric right attacking midfielder and put Wilson and Hudd/Jenas in the middle.

As much as I despise Crouch as a player we need him against Arsenal due to them not being good in the air.

Also defiently need to play 4-5-1 to help our defence, as it hasn't been great recently...

 

[Yid121]

Yeah let's go "4-4-2" .. that's worked the past 68 times we've tried winning away to any of the "Big 4"

NOT :roll:

This :clap:

 

[BringBack_leGin]

No posts in 2 days, wow, and that's with the derby coming up. I guess people were still focused on the aftermath of the Blackburn game.

Anyway, my team is pretty much based on whether Lennon is fit or not. If Lennon is fit, he plays. Clichy hates him.

Gomes
Hutton Kaboul Gallas Ekotto
Lennon Jenas Modric Bale
VDV
Pavlyuchenko​

If there's no Lennon, I'd go completely different:​

Gomes
Hutton Kaboul Gallas Ekotto
Jenas Palacios Modric Bale
VDV
Pavlyuchenko​

 

[Vedi]

No posts in 2 days, wow, and that's with the derby coming up. I guess people were still focused on the aftermath of the Blackburn game.

Anyway, my team is pretty much based on whether Lennon is fit or not. If Lennon is fit, he plays. Clichy hates him.

Gomes
Hutton Kaboul Gallas Ekotto
Lennon Jenas Modric Bale
VDV
Pavlyuchenko​

If there's no Lennon, I'd go completely different:​

Gomes
Hutton Kaboul Gallas Ekotto
Jenas Palacios Modric Bale
VDV
Pavlyuchenko​

Same here. Altough i wouldnt mind if its Sandro instead of Palacios in the second Line-Up. Not preferring him but I dont think its makes a difference which one of them plays, Harry will know who showed more during the trainings as on the pitch they're about the same right now IMO.

 

[whitelightwhiteheat]

For me, no changes from Blackburn. If Lennon's fit he can be an "impact sub" to stretch them second half.​

Gomes

Hutton Gallas Kaboul BAE

VDV Jenas Modric Bale

Pav Crouch
​

We need to go at them with an intensity/tempo which will shock them. Get Bale, Modric and VDV on the ball. Jenas will need to have one of his "game of his life" Arse appearances which he usually puts in.

Gallas to score the winner, 3 minutes from time! mg: 2-1 Spurs.

COYS!!​

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Same here. Altough i wouldnt mind if its Sandro instead of Palacios in the second Line-Up. Not preferring him but I dont think its makes a difference which one of them plays, Harry will know who showed more during the trainings as on the pitch they're about the same right now IMO.

I'm also thinking of the fact that it's an early Saturday kick off, with Sandro having just been all the way in Doha for the Brazil Argentina friendly.