The All New Spurs U21, U18 & Other Youth News Thread

[beats1]

16, 17, 18 and even 19 to earn £10,000/week is crazy

Really, so Bentaleb earning more than that is crazy, despite being a first team player at 19?

Messi scored against Chelsea in the CL at 18 years old

Not to mention someone like Wilshere playing in the PL at 17. Whilst Im sure the money has helped made him a **** but if a footballer at that age is already good enough for them to play at a high level, its not crazy for them to get paid the same as their teammates despite their age

You can say paying mediocre players like Barton £70k is arguably more crazier than paying someone like Fryers £20k a season could considered crazy since he was shit

The game has a changed alot and all of this doesn't make it right but it isn't crazy since the amount of money say the likes of Toure, Rooney and etc earn

 

[IGSpur]

The question is, how much would Levy pay him, had he signed him from another club like Parrett or Bostock

Very good point. If it was a highly rated youngster we were trying to sign it wouldn't surprise me if Levy did it, people just feel we shouldn't have to do it if they are already here, but really and truely why not. If they are good enough you pay to have em. I don't remember at Bostock or Parrett at that age but Edwards must surely be on a similar level. Bostock must have been rushed as I can't imagine a 16yo being that much better than Edwards.

 

[IGSpur]

Alos whilst looking up Hector Kyprianou who is an u14/15 with us I found this article. FAO @DaSpurs I think we were discussing a while ago, but it looks like the Cypriot FA are tracking Georgiou

http://www.parikiaki.com/2014/06/the-futures-bright-im-sure-says-kypros-kyprianou/

 

[Chris12]

Really, so Bentaleb earning more than that is crazy, despite being a first team player at 19?

Messi scored against Chelsea in the CL at 18 years old

Not to mention someone like Wilshere playing in the PL at 17. Whilst Im sure the money has helped made him a **** but if a footballer at that age is already good enough for them to play at a high level, its not crazy for them to get paid the same as their teammates despite their age

You can say paying mediocre players like Barton £70k is arguably more crazier than paying someone like Fryers £20k a season could considered crazy since he was shit

The game has a changed alot and all of this doesn't make it right but it isn't crazy since the amount of money say the likes of Toure, Rooney and etc earn

Yes, any 18 year old making over £10,000 a week is crazy money. And back to Edwards, he may be coming up to 16 or 17 or however old he is, but he isn't in the first team is he? So why should the club pay him around £10,000/week or any of the other youngsters that much?

 

[mpickard2087]

Yes, any 18 year old making over £10,000 a week is crazy money. And back to Edwards, he may be coming up to 16 or 17 or however old he is, but he isn't in the first team is he? So why should the club pay him around £10,000/week or any of the other youngsters that much?

With the amount of money involved now, that is (unfortunately) becoming more and more the market rate for promising players. If we don't pay them, someone else will come in and offer them that wage. It might not be right, and it's too much too soon in some cases, but we're lucky that we are in a position to pay this if we choose. Many lower league clubs lose some great talents because they cant compete.

I think we have to accept it though, and trust that as they come through our system that McDermott and co. have given them a great education and grounding, not just on the football pitch, and in the majority of cases developed sensible, focused lads who can see the bigger picture and don't let money affect them. Also I'd rather we gave 10k each to the likes of Onomah, Edwards, Winks, CCV, KWP, Azzaoui (and many more on the cusp of coming through, I think there is a real chance that the production line is about to go into overdrive in the near future) in the realistic hope of having two or three stars than 50-60k to one of our numerous squad members. We can easily afford to.

 

[Chris12]

With the amount of money involved now, that is (unfortunately) becoming more and more the market rate for promising players. If we don't pay them, someone else will come in and offer them that wage. It might not be right, and it's too much too soon in some cases, but we're lucky that we are in a position to pay this if we choose. Many lower league clubs lose some great talents because they cant compete.

I think we have to accept it though, and trust that as they come through our system that McDermott and co. have given them a great education and grounding, not just on the football pitch, and in the majority of cases developed sensible, focused lads who can see the bigger picture and don't let money affect them. Also I'd rather we gave 10k each to the likes of Onomah, Edwards, Winks, CCV, KWP, Azzaoui (and many more on the cusp of coming through, I think there is a real chance that the production line is about to go into overdrive in the near future) than 50-60k to one of our numerous squad members. We can easily afford to.

I know it's the norm, I just don't agree with it being right. It's just at those ages it's still rather early to say how good they will be and to pay a youth player £10,000/week who isn't even playing for the first team, is something I think is majorly wrong with football nowadays. If and when they break into the first team, then I think it become a bit more reasonable (still quite a lot for 17 year olds) to pay them around £10,000/week, I mean that's half a million a year at that age. I can see why so many young footballer go off the rails getting so much money so early.

And I just don't think a club the size of Spurs or hell any other football club should be held to ransom by 17 year olds for £10,000/week contracts. That's just far too much power and just taking the piss.

 

[mpickard2087]

I know it's the norm, I just don't agree with it being right. It's just at those ages it's still rather early to say how good they will be and to pay a youth player £10,000/week who isn't even playing for the first team, is something I think is majorly wrong with football nowadays. If and when they break into the first team, then I think it become a bit more reasonable (still quite a lot for 17 year olds) to pay them around £10,000/week, I mean that's half a million a year at that age. I can see why so many young footballer go off the rails getting so much money so early.

And I just don't think a club the size of Spurs or hell any other football club should be held to ransom by 17 year olds for £10,000/week contracts. That's just far too much power and just taking the piss.

I agree its not ideal, or right, but it is the (footballing) world that we live in.

It also depends on how you see things. If the club is putting much more emphasis on youth development and an increasing amount of the squad being homegrown then if they have faith in the work the academy is doing then they may be happy to pay 10k a week to a top prospect, because they feel there is a good chance of him being worth more in the future and having an impact at first team level.

 

[beats1]

Yes, any 18 year old making over £10,000 a week is crazy money. And back to Edwards, he may be coming up to 16 or 17 or however old he is, but he isn't in the first team is he? So why should the club pay him around £10,000/week or any of the other youngsters that much?

Im sorry but that is a poor argument. I don't think we should go straight to a £10k a week wage but your justification for him being paid such a sum is poor

Fryers wasnt in the first team why did we pay him reportedly £20k?

Dele Alli, isn't a first team player why are we paying him a high wage? (definitely more than £10k a week)

Youth players are getting at least £1k a week when they sign a contract. If a youth player is considered one of the best in continent, why is crazy to ask for ten times that and less than some of his peers?

Personally I would give him £5k a week and give him a wage increase on his debut or when he turns 18.

I know it's the norm, I just don't agree with it being right. It's just at those ages it's still rather early to say how good they will be and to pay a youth player £10,000/week who isn't even playing for the first team, is something I think is majorly wrong with football nowadays. If and when they break into the first team, then I think it become a bit more reasonable (still quite a lot for 17 year olds) to pay them around £10,000/week, I mean that's half a million a year at that age. I can see why so many young footballer go off the rails getting so much money so early.

And I just don't think a club the size of Spurs or hell any other football club should be held to ransom by 17 year olds for £10,000/week contracts. That's just far too much power and just taking the piss.

How is it being held ransom?

He wants the wage that his peers are getting, is hardly ransom from his point of view. He knows he is one of the most talented players in england and yet his liverpool teammate and west ham teammate are earning more.

The average wage for a PL is £43k a week, the likes of Kane, Townsend, Bentaleb, Mason and etc are getting less than that. Whilst we shouldn't exactly accept his demands as it may hurt us later but we need show him his good performance with the club will be rewarded

 

[Chris12]

Im sorry but that is a poor argument. I don't think we should go straight to a £10k a week wage but your justification for him being paid such a sum is poor

Fryers wasnt in the first team why did we pay him reportedly £20k?

Dele Alli, isn't a first team player why are we paying him a high wage? (definitely more than £10k a week)

Youth players are getting at least £1k a week when they sign a contract. If a youth player is considered one of the best in continent, why is crazy to ask for ten times that and less than some of his peers?

Personally I would give him £5k a week and give him a wage increase on his debut or when he turns 18.

How is it being held ransom?

He wants the wage that his peers are getting, is hardly ransom from his point of view. He knows he is one of the most talented players in england and yet his liverpool teammate and west ham teammate are earning more.

The average wage for a PL is £43k a week, the likes of Kane, Townsend, Bentaleb, Mason and etc are getting less than that. Whilst we shouldn't exactly accept his demands as it may hurt us later but we need show him his good performance with the club will be rewarded

How is it poor? Because I don't think he should be paid that much when he isn't in the first team? I don't recall justifying Fryers or Dele Alli being paid that much. It might be okay in football, I am talking in general. A 16/17 year old being paid £10,000/week is ridiculous money and how someone doesn't think so is beyond me. Hell even in football terms, I think it's crazy that a 17 year old youth player who has yet to make an appearance for the first team and how many appearances has he made at U21? He may become great and if he did start to break into the first team then OK, pay him that much (still absurd amount) but he isn't. At least Fryers was in/out of first team and made appearances and Alli is likely to be in the first team squad next season going by reports.

He is putting in good performances at youth level, which is great, but he doesn't deserve to be paid £10,000/week and neither do his Liverpool/West Ham mate who are shittier than him, and just becuase they have been paid that much, doesn't justify him being paid that much. It's being held ransom because if we don't give him his wage demands of £10,000/week it's likely that he will leave.

Edit - please do tell me how you'd justify giving him that much? Or if you don't think he should get that much, then why don't you think so?

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

Sigh.

Its funny to hear other people talk about what a player is worth. Why does it matter what a player is paid? Every single person on this board would take more money for what we do - if someone was willing to pay. If Edwards can get £10K/week, good for him.

Most of the discussion about "he doesn't deserve" the money reeks of jealousy more than anything.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

16, 17, 18 and even 19 to earn £10,000/week is crazy

I should think that's pretty rare though, and it's comparable to, say, popstars, boy bands etc.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I think just like transfers we have to speculate. There's no guarantees with these kids, just like buying a proven goalscorer from Spain doesn't guarantee you goals.

You have to take a view, evaluate the risk/potential benefit. Right now Edwards looks to me as talented as any kid I've seen playing his age group (and above to be honest) so I'd say, take the risk and pay give him a contract that values that potential.

If it doesn't work out you've still paid out much, much less than you would on a ho hum journeyman transfer/wages. If it works out it's the best money you've ever spent. Like paying 5+5m for Bale before he'd kicked an EPL ball.

 

[Spursidol]

Alos whilst looking up Hector Kyprianou who is an u14/15 with us I found this article. FAO @DaSpurs I think we were discussing a while ago, but it looks like the Cypriot FA are tracking Georgiou

http://www.parikiaki.com/2014/06/the-futures-bright-im-sure-says-kypros-kyprianou/

Yup, the other point to make is that we seem well plugged into the Greek Cypriot community at the moment with Andros Townsend, Anthony Georgiou, Zenon Styliandes, Hector Kyprianou, Nick Tsaroulla and I've possibly missed out one or two.

 

[danielneeds]

Yup, the other point to make is that we seem well plugged into the Greek Cypriot community at the moment with Andros Townsend, Anthony Georgiou, Zenon Styliandes, Hector Kyprianou, Nick Tsaroulla and I've possibly missed out one or two.

Probably won't be seeing many young Turkish-London kids at the training ground then!

 

[Spursidol]

How is it poor? Because I don't think he should be paid that much when he isn't in the first team? I don't recall justifying Fryers or Dele Alli being paid that much. It might be okay in football, I am talking in general. A 16/17 year old being paid £10,000/week is ridiculous money and how someone doesn't think so is beyond me. Hell even in football terms, I think it's crazy that a 17 year old youth player who has yet to make an appearance for the first team and how many appearances has he made at U21? He may become great and if he did start to break into the first team then OK, pay him that much (still absurd amount) but he isn't. At least Fryers was in/out of first team and made appearances and Alli is likely to be in the first team squad next season going by reports.

He is putting in good performances at youth level, which is great, but he doesn't deserve to be paid £10,000/week and neither do his Liverpool/West Ham mate who are shittier than him, and just becuase they have been paid that much, doesn't justify him being paid that much. It's being held ransom because if we don't give him his wage demands of £10,000/week it's likely that he will leave.

Edit - please do tell me how you'd justify giving him that much? Or if you don't think he should get that much, then why don't you think so?

The average salary in the UK is probably about £25k pa - £500 pw. so £10,000 pw is indeed 'not fair'

However if £10,000 pw is 'the going rate' for good PL academy players then Spurs choice is either to make an offer which is there or thereabouts plus talk of a chance at one of the best academies in Europe plus the better opportunities to make it into Spurs first team than at other clubs such as Chelsea or ManCity where they might earn 3 or 4 times as much as Spurs offer - but at age 21 they may well find themselves at a non league club earning the £25,000 pa (£500 pw) UK average wage, as have a number of Chelsea's youngsters (including 2 of Danny Rose compatriats at Leeds who wre seduced by Chelsea as the latest bestest young English player ) but thrown out at age 20/21/22 as there was no future at Chelsea.

I'd hope that Spurs could find a way to 'package' the wage such that 50%+ went into some sort of long term savings plan or even a family house such that the youngster had less cash in his pocket now (so les likely to go off the rails) but built up a pot of money for the future.

However it still means paying a youngster many times the UK average wage (yup not 'fair' but that's life), but we hope that McDermott and team will pay that only to the players with mental self discipline to either make it as a football pro (whether at Spurs or elsewhere) or in another field of life rather than self explode from being given too much at a young age.

 

[Spursidol]

Probably won't be seeing many young Turkish-London kids at the training ground then!

Multi culturalism means it may not matter as much to London born Cypriots and Tukish youngsters - and maybe why Andros played in a team with Kasim (who was Turkish !

 

[kmk]

Multi culturalism means it may not matter as much to London born Cypriots and Tukish youngsters - and maybe why Andros played in a team with Kasim (who was Turkish !

Who Yasser Kasim? He was born in Iraq.

 

[rabbikeane]

Multi culturalism means it may not matter as much to London born Cypriots and Tukish youngsters - and maybe why Andros played in a team with Kasim (who was Turkish !

Iraqi, if there's no dual citizenship involved that I'm not aware of

 

[Dharmabum]

Spurs send squads to play in tournaments from quite young ages so its very likely that the site has found a tournament giving names of players then aged maybe 12 and listed them. Some will continue to be in Spurs academy (as @IGSpur says Brandon Austin et al) whilst others will not make the grade and be released before they enter the acemy proper at aged 16 or so.

Yes, it's just that is was a werid yet interesting and informative info mix of random player - some who've left the club long ago and only the most die hard stat fanatics would have heard of and then players like Hector Kyprianou, who also few must have heard of, is also listed. On one hand the guy really is informed and know their positions etc. but on another hand....oh well never mind.

 

[eddiebailey]

Iraqi, if there's no dual citizenship involved that I'm not aware of

At the time he signed we also had Shwan Jalal who was Iranian. That must have been interesting.