The beginning of the end...

[Timberwolf]

What I've seen is that people are talking about the quality of the footie, and a perceived lack of or decline in motivation, which I think is fair to scrutinise.

That's fair, but I still think we owe him some more patience rather than looking for excuses to fire our best manager in 30 years. Our play style is indeed shite, but Ndombele and Lo Celso have barely played, Sess isn't fit and the whole Eriksen thing still isn't resolved. We should at least give Poch some more time to settle in the new guys rather than saying "LOOK WE'RE STILL CRAP EVEN WITH HIS SIGNINGS!" after 3 games and 1 defeat in which 2 of our signings barely featured.

 

[yankspurs]

Lol at this meltdown. In 3 weeks this will all be forgotten.

I will say, i think this started with Poch and his insistence on Kane always being in the XI whenever available. A player who even when fit(which has been rare)
has not been performing like he is able to for 2 years. He used to drag this team out from the doldroms on the pitch 2-3 years ago. Now he just dithers, does sweet fuck all then gets hurt then is right back in the XI. Players see that and get disenchanted. Especially when others who deserve the place in the team after being a hero countless times get dropped for him. Poch will sort this out but i do feel like its time Kane is sent a message. His bs should not be tolerated anymore.

 

[ManningSpur]

What I've seen is that people are talking about the quality of the footie, and a perceived lack of or decline in motivation, which I think is fair to scrutinise. What I'm saying is, dismissing this thread because of timing, I wonder if that is as shallow as those dismissers are trying to say this thread is.

As has been stated, yesterday was in fact just another poor performance in a long line going back to maybe Wolves at home around Christmas 2018. Sideways and backwards football and no invention. + am sorry to say that Sanchez is a weak link and always likely to make a decisive error - often in terms of game reading and positioning.

 

[arunspurs]

Lol at this meltdown. In 3 weeks this will all be forgotten.

Or not...No one outside the club has any clue. We can only go by results & comment. Currently, its terrible and worse record than times of Sherwood/AWB.

 

[Timberwolf]

4) After winter break, Kane starts even though we have been doing brilliantly.
5) Kane coming back & starting could just be coincidence but all of a sudden for whatever reasons, we start performing terribly.

This is a bit of revisionist history tbh. Without Kane we squeezed past Newcastle, Fulham and Leicester each by one goal and looking very shaky throughout. We were lucky to get 3 points let alone 9 points from those games and also got knocked out of the cups by Palace and Chelsea. This idea that we were brilliant without Kane simply isn't true. Our best games during this period were over Christmas against Bournemouth, Cardiff and Everton, games in which both Kane and Son started (though we were admittedly v.clinical against Dortmund without him).

 

[ComfortablyNumb]

Lol at this meltdown. In 3 weeks this will all be forgotten.

We’ll have played Arsenal and Palace by then. You think we’ll beat them, the way we played yesterday?

 

[Mr Pink]

That's fair, but I still think we owe him some more patience rather than looking for excuses to fire our best manager in 30 years. Our play style is indeed shite, but Ndombele and Lo Celso have barely played, Sess isn't fit and the whole Eriksen thing still isn't resolved. We should at least give Poch some more time to settle in the new guys rather than saying "LOOK WE'RE STILL CRAP EVEN WITH HIS SIGNINGS!" after 3 games and 1 defeat in which 2 of our signings barely featured.

I'm with you... But what IF he has lost the dressing room? Do mangers get more time when things reach that stage? Generally speaking...

I sincerely hope he hasn't lost the dressing room.

 

[yankspurs]

We know the score by now with managers under ENIC - channelling the Dark Knight... "You either die a hero, or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain"

Levy is the happiest man alive right now. He could outlive Poch.

 

[g_harry]

He also made some comment last year about the team struggling for top 4 saying thst maybe this is their level. The players have alot to answer for also. They are not the young boys he took on 5years ago now. They also have to look at themselves and maybe thats why Trippier ran off, Eriksen looking out too. Cant handle the pressure. Thats why we havent won anything the players wont/cant step up.

 

[mil1lion]

We'll be ok. Yes we have been terrible for much of this year but it just feels like a transitional period at the moment. Last year we ran ourselves into the ground trying to win the Champions League and juggle the league. Honestly I dont think the players could motivate themselves for top 4 when they were chasing the Champions League and that's why our league form was so bad. I guess top 4 alone just doesn't inspire them anymore and that's no surprise. We came close to being champions of europe and yet because we fell short we're all deflated from it. I'm sure the summer felt long for the players after that final loss.

Now we're starting the season while the European window is open and 4 players have 1 year on their contracts. This is wihout doubt a big distraction for us right now. New players settling in and players who are not sure where their future is. Come the close of the European window at least we'll know where we stand. I just hope those players in their final season can get their heads right after the window closes. I really dont want them playing through the motions in their final year. The only salvation will be new contracts but I think there's likely at least 2 that wont extend. If their heads aren't in it still then drop them.

People can talk tactics all they like. The fact of the matter is there's too many top players player well below par right now. They have been for some time. It's going to take a couple of big performances before they start to click again. We need to get our swagger back and soon though because we can't lose too much ground this early. You can play the best tactics in the world but if your best players aren't performing then it's not going to win games.

 

[Sissoko1234]

A bad defeat to the filth and this will compound it to record levels and if we do sack poch t

1. Don't think he will last beyond this season, let alone another 5.

2. Didn't we do that already? Was N'Dombele, Lo Celso and Sess his preferred choices?

I haven't seen the likes of Winks progress,

Your saying winks hasn’t improved since poch has came to the club?
Just stop

 

[arunspurs]

This is a bit of revisionist history tbh. Without Kane we squeezed past Newcastle, Fulham and Leicester each by one goal and looking very shaky throughout. We were lucky to get 3 points let alone 9 points from those games and also got knocked out of the cups by Palace and Chelsea. This idea that we were brilliant without Kane simply isn't true. Our best games during this period were over Christmas against Bournemouth, Cardiff and Everton, games in which both Kane and Son started (though we were admittedly v.clinical against Dortmund without him).

I am not talking about Christmas period, do I ? Just stating the facts from the winter break of 10 days in Barca from Feb.
I am just putting the facts of wins before & after. I am not even suggesting its all down to Kane.

 

[yankspurs]

We’ll have played Arsenal and Palace by then. You think we’ll beat them, the way we played yesterday?[/QUOTE

Yes.

Or not...No one outside the club has any clue. We can only go by results & comment. Currently, its terrible and worse record than times of Sherwood/AWB.

No way is this worse than Sherwood snaking his way into the top job then proceeding to prove he knows nothing about football.

 

[jurgen]

Tbf I recall there was some similar rumblings last year and that certain bsodls were determined he had only a few games to save his job.. or maybe that was the year before.. or the year before that.

 

[Timberwolf]

I'm with you... But what IF he has lost the dressing room? Do mangers get more time when things reach that stage? Generally speaking...

I sincerely hope he hasn't lost the dressing room.

Fair point. If the dressing room's gone, it's gone and we might have to make a change sooner rather than later. However none of us, not even the ITK, know the true extent of the fallout. We don't know about the individual cliques and private conversations between players. We can't read their minds. Perhaps there are pockets of support, perhaps it's not beyond repair, perhaps a lot of it is due to the Eriksen situation which will soon be resolved one way or the other. Or, perhaps, it really is fucked.

The point I'm making is, beyond a certain point we can only speculate, yet a lot of people seem 100% sure the dressing room is gone and are already digging Poch's grave. Bit OTT if you ask me.

 

[arunspurs]

Yes.
No way is this worse than Sherwood snaking his way into the top job then proceeding to prove he knows nothing about football.

Well, prepared to be surprised. Statistically in terms of points won per game , this period from Feb 19 to now, is far worse than end of Sherwood period or when AVB got sacked after a 5-0 Liverpool drubbing

 

[Timberwolf]

I am not talking about Christmas period, do I ? Just stating the facts from the winter break of 10 days in Barca from Feb.
I am just putting the facts of wins before & after. I am not even suggesting its all down to Kane.

Just saying we weren't doing brilliantly without Kane like you stated. We got knocked out of 2 cups and limped to victories against poor sides in games we could've easily drawn or lost.

 

['O Zio]

They don't get more winnable than Newcastle at home in my opinion.

Agree completely. This was one of the fixtures that there's no excuse for dropping points in, let alone losing. Even more so this early in the season when they've got a brand new manager who is yet to bed in the team.

 

[Mr Pink]

Fair point. If the dressing room's gone, it's gone and we might have to make a change sooner rather than later. However none of us, not even the ITK, know the true extent of the fallout. We don't know about the individual cliques and private conversations between players. We can't read their minds. Perhaps there are pockets of support, perhaps it's not beyond repair, perhaps a lot of it is due to the Eriksen situation which will soon be resolved one way or the other. Or, perhaps, it really is fucked.

The point I'm making is, beyond a certain point we can only speculate, yet a lot of people seem 100% sure the dressing room is gone and are already digging Poch's grave. Bit OTT if you ask me.

Yeah agree mate ?

 

[Deleted member 29446]

Tbf I recall there was some similar rumblings last year and that certain bsodls were determined he had only a few games to save his job.. or maybe that was the year before.. or the year before that.

But did we play like shit for the past 6 months then?

Nope.

Good then.