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SpurSince57

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Jan 20, 2006
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I'm not saying I know everything about the area. I said "bullets flying every other night of the week". The stats back this up.

I couldn't give a flying fuck what you know pal. Those places are very different beasts to how they were back then - particularly the demographic. I understand why you'd be offended, but you cannot deny your local area has an issue with gun crime, you simply can't.

There is no attraction for anyone to go there at any other time than a match day, other than those that live there and a big reason for that is the crime.

But, sadly for you, you have as much clue about what those stats mean as you do about Tottenham. They were much bandied about by lazy journalists at the time of the riots and are, in fact, the figures for Haringey as a whole. They're very much in line with the figures published by the Met for the twelvemonths ending in May 2013 and May 2012. Furthermore, 'gun crime' according to the official police definition does not have to be a shooting, does not have to involve a fatality or a wounding, does not have to involve a real gun (an air gun, a starting pistol or a replica also counts); the weapon can be used as a threat or as a blunt instrument. The last time I can recall bullets flying in the streets was almost two years ago, and they were police ones.

Yes, the area has a serious issue with gun crime, like several other London boroughs; to reiterate, as seems sadly necessary, gun crime does not and never has impinged on my daily life or the daily life of anyone I know. The two statements are not mutually exclusive. If you don't get it, too bad. I'm not going to lower the Flesch Reading Ease of my posts for you or anyone else.

Harehills and Chapeltown can't have changed that much if you used them as examples of dodgy areas of Leeds.
 

spurdownunder

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How does a thread debating how good/bad Tottenham is/isnt get 8 pages in without comparing Liverpool?
Surely we can all agree Liverpool is a proper shithole?
 

vicbob

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Back on subject....................just noticed this thread and i'm sad. Where else can i go pre match to get a warm can of beer from the "garden" while looking at the interesting wooden structures and "garden furniture". It was a shit pit, but it was kinda like a tradition to freeze your bollocks off in the middle of winter before a game
 

Misfit

President of The Niles Crane Fanclub
May 7, 2006
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Back on subject....................just noticed this thread and i'm sad. Where else can i go pre match to get a warm can of beer from the "garden" while looking at the interesting wooden structures and "garden furniture". It was a shit pit, but it was kinda like a tradition to freeze your bollocks off in the middle of winter before a game
Antwerp Arms is the new frontrunner for me.
 

Rocksuperstar

Isn't this fun? Isn't fun the best thing to have?
Jun 6, 2005
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Antwerp Arms is the new frontrunner for me.

I think Cosmic said it closed a few pages back - as per me i'm too lazy to go looking but, if you do find it, let me know if i read it wrong please? (y)
 

Misfit

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May 7, 2006
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Oh right, I was going off the recommendation of SS57. I did notice a google suggestion involving fire when I was entering the search so maybe it is gorn.
 

dazzle

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Just saw a post from the lads that run the Hotspurs podcast.

Apparently the Bell & Hare has shut down!

RIP :(


Now they are saying on the Hotspurs podcast that the Bell & Hare is back in action on 10-Aug. T'was just a refit.
It's like a new signing!

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RichieS

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Dec 23, 2004
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Oh right, I was going off the recommendation of SS57. I did notice a google suggestion involving fire when I was entering the search so maybe it is gorn.
SS57 said it's open again now after the fire.
 

Rocksuperstar

Isn't this fun? Isn't fun the best thing to have?
Jun 6, 2005
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Now they are saying on the Hotspurs podcast that the Bell & Hare is back in action on 10-Aug. T'was just a refit.
It's like a new signing!

That's the Saturday we play Espanyol - great news \o/
 

playboypaul

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Jun 22, 2012
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Boston Manor here. I feel at home in Tottenham whether it is on match day or on a wet Tuesday night in December. The locals don't bother me and I don't bother the locals. It's all the twats who live in their lovely safe little villages who think everywhere is dangerous that make me laugh. They won't kill you if you don't look scared peeps.

Went to school at Gunnersbury RC (for shame).
 

CosmicHotspur

Better a wag than a WAG
Aug 14, 2006
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The Antwerp Arms has shut but the local community (with the involvement of THFC Trust) are attempting to save it from developers as a community-run pub.

There has been a rumour that the Bell & Hare will re-open next month some time - it was closed due to work to structural damage being carried out.

More than this I do not know.
 

ThorntonSpur

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Jan 21, 2011
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shame its gone, used to meet me mates outside when waiting for a Keithie Robbins special for away games in the 80s. if we missed it always the von ryans express coach that was always last to leave.
 

RickyVilla

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May 16, 2004
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shame its gone, used to meet me mates outside when waiting for a Keithie Robbins special for away games in the 80s. if we missed it always the von ryans express coach that was always last to leave.

I believe it will be open for the Espaynol game mate as do a few others.
 

SpurSince57

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Jan 20, 2006
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The Antwerp Arms has shut but the local community (with the involvement of THFC Trust) are attempting to save it from developers as a community-run pub.

There has been a rumour that the Bell & Hare will re-open next month some time - it was closed due to work to structural damage being carried out.

More than this I do not know.

It's definitely back in business.
 

CosmicHotspur

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Aug 14, 2006
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Just heard from landlady's sister in-law that the Antwerp Arms is open again - apart from match days, they are doing Sunday lunches and even disco nights.
 
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