The Case For Frank de Boer...continued

[THFC 1882]

Dutch star Nigel de Jong has urged his compatriot Frank de Boer to join Tottenham Hotspur amid increasing speculation the Ajax coach is ready to join Spurs.

De Boer has masterminded four consecutive Dutch titles for Ajax with the tactician insisting that Spurs have made contact with his club's board.



Spurs chairman Daniel Levy is also thought to be interested in Southampton boss Mauricio Pochettino, with the Saints resigned to losing him this summer.

De Boer, though, was reportedly in London earlier this week to hold talks with Spurs and De Jong thinks he should take the job if asked.

"Like a player, he must take the next step", the AC Milan midfielder told NUsport.

 

[barry]

FDB played entertaining football for ajax, some fans this season have said that the football hasn't been great against the smaller teams but they also say that the team is the worst it has been for a very long time(10 years plus).

Also I hear people say FDB plays a boring style of football like Pep(not true) yet people say Poch is entertaining and then post how pep mentions they play his kind of way

People say FdB and Pep are disciples of the LVG school of football, so their respective teams' play in a similar way. Don't follow Ajax enough to tell you but Pep is boring. His own chairman, the Kaiser, said it best when he said, "God we're fuck boring".

Regarding Pep and Poch, Pep did not say their styles are similar, he said he admired Poch's high intensity style. He said something along the lines of some teams wait for the ball and some teams hunt the ball down. He said Poch's team played the latter style.

 

[kaz Hirai]

People say FdB and Pep are disciples of the LVG school of football, so their respective teams' play in a similar way. Don't follow Ajax enough to tell you but Pep is boring. His own chairman, the Kaiser, said it best when he said, "God we're fuck boring".


Regarding Pep and Poch, Pep did not say their styles are similar, he said he admired Poch's high intensity style. He said something along the lines of some teams wait for the ball and some teams hunt the ball down. He said Poch's team played the latter style.

Yep they just won the league scoring over 90 goals. The 2nd highest goals scored total in the bundesliga in recent times.

Wish pep would get the sack so he could make us fuck boring too

 

[spurs9]

People say FdB and Pep are disciples of the LVG school of football, so their respective teams' play in a similar way. Don't follow Ajax enough to tell you but Pep is boring. His own chairman, the Kaiser, said it best when he said, "God we're fuck boring".

Regarding Pep and Poch, Pep did not say their styles are similar, he said he admired Poch's high intensity style. He said something along the lines of some teams wait for the ball and some teams hunt the ball down. He said Poch's team played the latter style.

When talking about Pochettino's Espanyol side, Pep said:

"I feel very close to their style of football"

 

[barry]

Yep they just won the league scoring over 90 goals. The 2nd highest goals scored total in the bundesliga in recent times.

Wish pep would get the sack so he could make us fuck boring too

I didn't say it, Beckenbauer did, his own chairman. Why would he say it??? I agree with him but that's inconsequential. The worst football match I've seen in recent times involved Pep's Bayern.
I think Pep coming here would be a massive risk. Never been truly tested. He's always managed the top teams in world football. Imo massively overrated

 

[barry]

When talking about Pochettino's Espanyol side, Pep said:

"I feel very close to their style of football"

I don't know what that really means, but if he means Barca play like Espanyol, then great, I stand corrected. I don't see it, but if Pep does great.

 

[RuskyM]

Poch's record at Espanyol makes for an interesting read. He had more money than other mid table teams, had clashes with the board and spent more than the others. Almost every mid table and bottom placed La liga team faces those issues as @beats1 has said above. He yet complained of not having enough money and left the club languishing in the bottom places but the next man got them a respectable mid table position.

Coming to his Southampton reign his net spend so far is 45 million and last season they had the 3rd highest in the league.
This season he will most likely lose Shaw, Llana, etc. or at least one of his top players. He's obviously upset with this and has threatened in the past to leave if his best players are sold ( similar to Espanyol). We keep selling our best players and our net spend has been negative during the last couple of seasons. What if he threatens to leave us too when we sell our top players ? (which will happen). It seems he doesn't have the confidence to continue once his best players are sold. If he does join us then I'm not sure he will stick around long considering how we deal with transfers.

FDB took over mid season when Ajax were 4th, Jol was sacked, the entire board had just resigned and Cryuff had taken the club to court. He finished the season as league winners and in subsequent years has lost Van der weil, Verts, Eriksen, Alderweild, etc. but never complained. He's made a net profit of 70 million so far and even rejected Pool last year. His record in the CL isn't that great but one has to consider the teams he's played AC Milan (x3), Barcelona (x2), Real Madrid (x4), Dortmund (x2), Man City (x2), Lyon (x2)

Both have faced situations similar to ours and their responses have been totally different. Its difficult to say who's better but at the moment FDB is the best fit. Just my opinion.

It astounds me that someone could read this and still be pro-Pochettino. All other merits aside, he is quite plain and simply the wrong man for us right now.

 

[barry]

It astounds me that someone could read this and still be pro-Pochettino. All other merits aside, he is quite plain and simply the wrong man for us right now.

Maybe because that's a biased and baseless article. I can't believe the author even had the temerity to put that he was undecided after writing such propaganda.

 

[beats1]

People say FdB and Pep are disciples of the LVG school of football, so their respective teams' play in a similar way. Don't follow Ajax enough to tell you but Pep is boring. His own chairman, the Kaiser, said it best when he said, "God we're fuck boring".

Regarding Pep and Poch, Pep did not say their styles are similar, he said he admired Poch's high intensity style. He said something along the lines of some teams wait for the ball and some teams hunt the ball down. He said Poch's team played the latter style.

Err Pep says himself he is heavily influenced by Bielsa who influenced Pochettino. Pep's football was considered the best football 4 years ago, in his last couple of seasons people found it boring because barcelona couldn't keep up the urgency to hunt the ball or tempo on the ball to split teams apart.

Bayern this season have suffered from the same problem in the second half of the season hence everyone saying its boring.

FDB is more akin to the cruyff system than LVG but with the LVG work ethic

 

[beats1]

Maybe because that's a biased and baseless article. I can't believe the author even had the temerity to put that he was undecided after writing such propaganda.

What was baseless about it?

 

[Lilbaz]

It's all down to the truffle shuffle. Levy should just get them both into the office and best man wins. (think Poch might nick it).

 

[Spurger King]

It's all down to the truffle shuffle. Levy should just get them both into the office and best man wins. (think Poch might nick it).

Allardyce was ruled out for being over-qualified.

 

[like2eatpie]

It's all down to the truffle shuffle. Levy should just get them both into the office and best man wins. (think Poch might nick it).

This is how I feel now, bored of all the over analysis of both managers, just sort it baldy so we can get on with our lives, well at least until the ITK thread fires up

 

[jambreck]

What was baseless about it?

It wasn't baseless but it was very one sided and therefore of limited worth. Consequently, it was silly for RuskyM to complain that not everyone else had taken it to heart.

 

[Metalhead]

This is how I feel now, bored of all the over analysis of both managers, just sort it baldy so we can get on with our lives, well at least until the ITK thread fires up

I must admit that I just blaze straight past any post that starts quoting stats about either FDB or Pochettino.

 

[buttons]

Assuming one of the worlds elite (Jose, Klopp, Carlo etc) aren't going to come to spurs, FDB is the guy we should be after.

He may be unproven outside the Dutch league but he is a winner and to smash out 4 titles in a row, against a back drop of selling your best players (he should fit in well), is quite impressive. He'd be well respected by the players and is a name that would attract decent players.

He has to be the one, please! COYS.

 

[GetSpurredOn]

Personally I'm slightly more 'Team Poch' than 'Team FDB'... But that's not to say I wouldn't be happy if FDB got the job, I actually like both and don't mind which one joins.
To keep pointing out FDB has only won in Holland is a but short sighted. If that's the only olace he's managed so far, then all he can do is beat what's infront of him, which he is clearly doing. If we were looking at him saying he'd won in Holland and La Liga, then he'd probably already be on the radar of bigger clubs, so we'd be out if the running anyhow.
Jose Mourinho had only managed in Portugal, look how that panned out. So had AVB granted, but Mourinho had actually done a few seasons, not just one year each at two clubs.
Basically you can't really use FDB only having managed in the Dutch league as a negative. If that's the only job he's had, then that's what you have to judge him on. Visible improvement in his teams results, check. Successful, check. Managed turnover of key players in the squad, check. I can't comment on style of football too much, as I haven't really watched them, but I'm sure someone more knowledgable can fill in that.

 

[Metalhead]

This article is a few months old but very revealing in terms of FDB's playing style and philosophy: http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/de-boer-longs-legacy-ajax-bid-crack-europe-again

 

[indianspurs]

Maybe because that's a biased and baseless article. I can't believe the author even had the temerity to put that he was undecided after writing such propaganda.

1) If you're going to accuse me of being biased and baseless then at least have the decency to quote me so that I can defend myself rather than anonymously accusing me of having a propaganda.

2) What I spoke of Poch and FDB regarding their respective history at Espanyol and Ajax, whether that be incapable of coping with the loss of his best players, his net spend at Southampton, FDB taking over mid season, losing his best players each season, his record in the CL are all facts and not opinions. Look it up if you're genuinely interested. Whether Bale is a world class player is matter of opinion but the truth that he scored the 2nd goal in our win at Old Trafford in 2012 is a fact and not an opinion. There's a big difference between an opinion and a fact. You've either misunderstood me or have conveniently misconstrued it to suit your case

3) The reason I am undecided is because there are no guarantees in football, just like in life in general. There's no saying that Poch will be a success and the same goes for FDB. Even a Guardiola can fail here since you have to look at various factors before hiring like our transfer system, youth academy, competitions we play in, the language barrier, players at disposal, etc. I never said that FDB is better than Poch, all I said was that at the moment he's the better FIT keeping in mind how they both handled similar situations at their respective clubs in the past.

 

[tototoner]

I think it's nearly certain now that whoever we hire as head coach between Pochettino and de Boer will guarantee the one who misses out will go on to be the more successful, the Tottenham way.