The Case For Frank de Boer...continued

[Metalhead]

1) If you're going to accuse me of being biased and baseless then at least have the decency to quote me so that I can defend myself rather than anonymously accusing me of having a propaganda.

2) What I spoke of Poch and FDB regarding their respective history at Espanyol and Ajax, whether that be incapable of coping with the loss of his best players, his net spend at Southampton, FDB taking over mid season, losing his best players each season, his record in the CL are all facts and not opinions. Look it up if you're genuinely interested. Whether Bale is a world class player is matter of opinion but the truth that he scored the 2nd goal in our win at Old Trafford in 2012 is a fact and not an opinion. There's a big difference between an opinion and a fact. You've either misunderstood me or have conveniently misconstrued it to suit your case

3) The reason I am undecided is because there are no guarantees in football, just like in life in general. There's no saying that Poch will be a success and the same goes for FDB. Even a Guardiola can fail here since you have to look at various factors before hiring like our transfer system, youth academy, competitions we play in, the language barrier, players at disposal, etc. I never said that FDB is better than Poch, all I said was that at the moment he's the better FIT keeping in mind how they both handled similar situations at their respective clubs in the past.

I totally agree. Anyone is a risk. Even if we had managed to somehow entice one of the world's top managers (yes, it is stretching the imagination a bit), it is no guarantee of success.

 

[Metalhead]

I think it's nearly certain now that whoever we hire as head coach between Pochettino and de Boer will guarantee the one who misses out will go on to be the more successful, the Tottenham way.

Ha ha you cynic.

 

[Metalhead]

Another interesting article: http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/four-big-reasons-frank-de-boer-man-take-spurs-next-level

 

[barry]

1) If you're going to accuse me of being biased and baseless then at least have the decency to quote me so that I can defend myself rather than anonymously accusing me of having a propaganda.

2) What I spoke of Poch and FDB regarding their respective history at Espanyol and Ajax, whether that be incapable of coping with the loss of his best players, his net spend at Southampton, FDB taking over mid season, losing his best players each season, his record in the CL are all facts and not opinions. Look it up if you're genuinely interested. Whether Bale is a world class player is matter of opinion but the truth that he scored the 2nd goal in our win at Old Trafford in 2012 is a fact and not an opinion. There's a big difference between an opinion and a fact. You've either misunderstood me or have conveniently misconstrued it to suit your case

3) The reason I am undecided is because there are no guarantees in football, just like in life in general. There's no saying that Poch will be a success and the same goes for FDB. Even a Guardiola can fail here since you have to look at various factors before hiring like our transfer system, youth academy, competitions we play in, the language barrier, players at disposal, etc. I never said that FDB is better than Poch, all I said was that at the moment he's the better FIT keeping in mind how they both handled similar situations at their respective clubs in the past.

Mate Read your article, you bash Poch and then extol FdB, then at the end you say I'm veering towards FdB, but they both have their virtues. If I knew nothing I would think what the fuck is the author talking about, based on what he's written it has to be FdB.

Your article has little to no objectivity. You want FdB, fine, and you don't want want Poch, No worries. Don't try and purvey impartiality when your have none. This is no sleight on you, you have a preference as do I, there's nothing wrong with that

 

[parklane1]

I totally agree. Anyone is a risk. Even if we had managed to somehow entice one of the world's top managers (yes, it is stretching the imagination a bit), it is no guarantee of success.

As you say all managers appointments are a risk, it will not stop the slagging of the club if whoever comes in starts badly.

 

[Metalhead]

As you say all managers appointments are a risk, it will not stop the slagging of the club if whoever comes in starts badly.

Absolutely. These days, there is little patience in the hunt for success. Everything has to be immediate.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Another interesting article: http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/four-big-reasons-frank-de-boer-man-take-spurs-next-level

In a nutshell that is why he would be perfect for us. He fits our/Levy's remit as a club/company. he ticks every single box. Plays the the type of football that would suit us, the type that our entire development academy is based around. He is happy working within fiscal parameters, he is demanding and doesn't tolerate to much bullshit bit his players seem to like him. Has worked with a DOF so understands the system. Has that crucial winning mentality.

As much as I don't mind the idea of Pocettino, I can't for the life of me understand how DeBoer isn't the leading candidate by a country fucking mile.

 

[indianspurs]

In a nutshell that is why he would be perfect for us. He fits our/Levy's remit as a club/company. he ticks every single box. Plays the the type of football that would suit us, the type that our entire development academy is based around. He is happy working within fiscal parameters, he is demanding and doesn't tolerate to much bullshit bit his players seem to like him. Has worked with a DOF so understands the system. Has that crucial winning mentality.

As much as I don't mind the idea of Pocettino, I can't for the life of me understand how DeBoer isn't the leading candidate by a country fucking mile.

He doesn't have PL experience

 

[Bus-Conductor]

He doesn't have PL experience

Neither did Ferguson, Wenger, Mourinho, Ancelloti, Mancini, Pellegrini, etc etc…

And neither did Pochettino when he arrived and improved Southampton for that matter.


It's a ridiculous argument.

 

[CRUSADER]

I think it's nearly certain now that whoever we hire as head coach between Pochettino and de Boer will guarantee the one who misses out will go on to be the more successful, the Tottenham way.

As always.

 

[indianspurs]

Neither did Ferguson, Wenger, Mourinho, Ancelloti, Mancini, Pellegrini, etc etc…

And neither did Pochettino when he arrived and improved Southampton for that matter.


It's a ridiculous argument.

Was kidding of course and yes it is. Its shouldn't be the deciding factor or else someday we may even turn down Pep and Klopp for that reason.

 

[beats1]

In a nutshell that is why he would be perfect for us. He fits our/Levy's remit as a club/company. he ticks every single box. Plays the the type of football that would suit us, the type that our entire development academy is based around. He is happy working within fiscal parameters, he is demanding and doesn't tolerate to much bullshit bit his players seem to like him. Has worked with a DOF so understands the system. Has that crucial winning mentality.

As much as I don't mind the idea of Pocettino, I can't for the life of me understand how DeBoer isn't the leading candidate by a country fucking mile.

There is a simple answer to that I think has more truth to it than other reasons

Levy is known to have his advisors like Pleat, Hughes, Hoddle, Sherwood and etc.

They would know more about Southampton than they would know about Ajax

 

[mpickard2087]

In a nutshell that is why he would be perfect for us. He fits our/Levy's remit as a club/company. he ticks every single box. Plays the the type of football that would suit us, the type that our entire development academy is based around. He is happy working within fiscal parameters, he is demanding and doesn't tolerate to much bullshit bit his players seem to like him. Has worked with a DOF so understands the system. Has that crucial winning mentality.

As much as I don't mind the idea of Pocettino, I can't for the life of me understand how DeBoer isn't the leading candidate by a country fucking mile.

BC I think if he doesn't get the job it will be because of our fans, to be honest. Levy and his minions must keep an eye on these forums etc. and note the atmosphere at games and what people have been saying. A sizeable number just didn't ever like AVB's supposed style of play (or at least, what he was theoretically trying to achieve, but lets not go over old ground...) full stop and never will. When you then have de Boer who on paper is similar in many ways it really wouldn't surprise me if the views of said fans, who complained this style of play based around possession wasn't attacking enough, are fresh in the memory.

 

[jambreck]

There is a simple answer to that I think has more truth to it than other reasons

Levy is known to have his advisors like Pleat, Hughes, Hoddle, Sherwood and etc.

They would know more about Southampton than they would know about Ajax

There is an even simpler answer.

And that is that Levy has had the chance to speak to each of Pochettino and De Boer about their vision for the club and how they would like to go about achieving it. We haven't. We can cite articles about each candidate's achievements and qualities (or lack thereof) and speculate all day long as to which of them we think is best. But we do not know what they said or how they came across in interview.

 

[Metalhead]

In a nutshell that is why he would be perfect for us. He fits our/Levy's remit as a club/company. he ticks every single box. Plays the the type of football that would suit us, the type that our entire development academy is based around. He is happy working within fiscal parameters, he is demanding and doesn't tolerate to much bullshit bit his players seem to like him. Has worked with a DOF so understands the system. Has that crucial winning mentality.

As much as I don't mind the idea of Pocettino, I can't for the life of me understand how DeBoer isn't the leading candidate by a country fucking mile.

Perhaps that's why the process is not being as quick as some people would like. Levy I guess knows that he has a very tough decision to make and that this appointment really needs to be the right one (in as much as any appointment can be). The article certainly makes a good case for him and perhaps there is a danger in over-complicating the situation. The man clearly has a very well thought out philosophy when it comes to football. He understands the importance of respecting tradition at a club and seems to have a top to bottom approach when it comes to applying that philosophy. He's not just interested in the first team, he looks at the club as a whole.

 

[beats1]

There is an even simpler answer.

And that is that Levy has had the chance to speak to each of Pochettino and De Boer about their vision for the club and how they would like to go about achieving it. We haven't. We can cite articles about each candidate's achievements and qualities (or lack thereof) and speculate all day long as to which of them we think is best. But we do not know what they said or how they came across in interview.

So how do you talk to someone without having any contact with someone?

The only contact that has been had with FDB is Levy asking Overmars about FDB's contract situation

 

[jambreck]

So how do you talk to someone without having any contact with someone?

The only contact that has been had with FDB is Levy asking Overmars about FDB's contract situation

Plenty of speculation that they have met.

 

[beats1]

Plenty of speculation that they have met.

Frank has said himself he hasn't had any contact with us

 

[jambreck]

Frank has said himself he hasn't had any contact with us

People in football lie to the media when it suits them.

 

[greaves]

I think it's nearly certain now that whoever we hire as head coach between Pochettino and de Boer will guarantee the one who misses out will go on to be the more successful, the Tottenham way.

It's for this reason that we should hire them both. Loan one out to another club (to get used to the PL. That would be FDB) If Pochettino fails, sack him and bring in FDB. We will out-Chelsea Chelsea and essentially out-do competitors, buying up all the sweets and toys in the shop so nobody one else can have them.
I can't believe I have just written this. What a ghastly idea. It has to be true.