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fair enough if that’s your opinion, won’t be long till we find out I wouldn’t have thought. ?
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fair enough if that’s your opinion, won’t be long till we find out I wouldn’t have thought. ?
mpickard2087
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The last thing we need is another batsman who wants to play fast and loose and hit a shot a ball. He wont do anything different to what we see already.
Of course, I hope you're right and he does brilliantly.
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just imagine if people would have dismissed the following players based on technique:
Cook
Steve Smith
Warner (mentality also, given he was pigeon-holed as an aggressive ODI player only early on)
Lara
Chanderpaul
Cook
Steve Smith
Warner (mentality also, given he was pigeon-holed as an aggressive ODI player only early on)
Lara
Chanderpaul
midoshairband
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i think thats over simplifying it. plenty of those sorts of ‘can only play ODI’ cricketers have made good test players. players play that way in ODI cricket because they can, and have to nowadays. to suggest they’re incapable of adapting without being given a chance is a bit short sighted.
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Time will tell, IIRC he's playing a lot of red ball cricket this year in an attempt to get into the test team, I'd imagine he's aware of what it'll take so it's up to him to take the chance when (if) it ever arrives.
I'd put Denly in for Jennings for the next test match. But they won't, they'll watch Jennings do the same things right up until about the 2nd or 3rd ashes test.
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Nonsense... With the gub we've seen over the last couple of years and his county captain making a bit of a mark nows the perfect time for his test career to begin..
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Well currently none of the England players in that mould are making good test players, so forgive me for betting against it..........
Cc. @Archibald&Crooks , @class of 62
Edit: He's always batted middle order for Surrey in first class, hasn't he? If his county doesn't trust him to open...
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Roy included in the recent Lions squad I believe. so he’s definitely in their thoughts.
agree with Denly in the next test too. would also mean Rashid can be dropped as Denly and Root could fill in as a bit part second spinner if needed.
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again, a bit short sighted tarring all players with one brush is a bit dangerous - you have to give opportunities. for every 3 or 4 that can’t play test cricket, you might unearth a gem that makes it worth it.
Roy seems to push hard at the ball which won't help as that means every time he nicks it, it will carry to the keeper or slips. He will also need to leave the ball a lot. Test openers need to leave the ball a lot and the earlier comment saying that he gets bored easily doesn't fill me with confidence that he would do that
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We've given about seven trillion chances to batsmen in the last 5 years or so. We are unearthing no gems at all.
I can only repeat myself, the standards of red ball cricket are awful across the globe. It's not just us with the problem. It wont change though when the money is in other formats. We can select the likes of Roy or whoever the next flavour of the month will be, we'll see some cameo innings in amongst the many failures, and the test team will continue to pick up the odd win in amongst looking absolutely shite.
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you have to give him an opportunity to find out and grow and mature as a player, and see if he can adapt.
remember his job in ODI cricket is literally to hit every ball as hard as he can as often as he can, so of course thats what you see him doing.
Warner also pushes hard at the ball, he’s been pretty good.
What has Roy done in red ball cricket to deserve inclusion? I don't see what he would bring that we don't already have in the team. We can give everyone a go and hope they turn out well.
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almost forgot KP - unique technique pretty frowned upon, seen as an ODI player, given a test place on the back of ODI performances.
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he’s an opening batsmen - we have very few of those.
also, for a number of years, the ODI team has been a pathway to the test team.
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Buttler. Averaging 70 since his recall. It can be done, it's up to those given a chance to take the opportunity. Whilst there's a degree of realism about pigeonholing certain players there are still a number of instances in cricket where a successful crossover has been achieved but you have to pick them and then give them a proper run at it.
Alex Hales for example, didn't get anywhere near as much of a crack as Jennings has had and is actually averaging slightly more for about a half dozen fewer tests played. I'm not suggesting that Hales is the answer, but who decides these things? What's Jennings got over Root that he keeps on and on being picked?
Opening the batting in a one day game is very different to opening the batting in a test match plus one day cricket and test cricket are very different now. Doing well in the one day team doesn't mean you do well in the test side as has been shown today.
Buttler. Averaging 70 since his recall. It can be done, it's up to those given a chance to take the opportunity. Whilst there's a degree of realism about pigeonholing certain players there are still a number of instances in cricket where a successful crossover has been achieved but you have to pick them and then give them a proper run at it.
Alex Hales for example, didn't get anywhere near as much of a crack as Jennings has had and is actually averaging slightly more for about a half dozen fewer tests played. I'm not suggesting that Hales is the answer, but who decides these things? What's Jennings got over Root that he keeps on and on being picked?
Buttler has batted lower down the order where his game suits the position. The ball is older and won't do as much so you can be more expansive and he plays spin very well.
Roy at number six or seven would be good but he shouldn't open as his game isn't suited to that.
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Buttler. Averaging 70 since his recall. It can be done, it's up to those given a chance to take the opportunity. Whilst there's a degree of realism about pigeonholing certain players there are still a number of instances in cricket where a successful crossover has been achieved but you have to pick them and then give them a proper run at it.
Alex Hales for example, didn't get anywhere near as much of a crack as Jennings has had and is actually averaging slightly more for about a half dozen fewer tests played. I'm not suggesting that Hales is the answer, but who decides these things? What's Jennings got over Root that he keeps on and on being picked?
Hales was cack and couldn't play the moving ball iirc. I remember even in the innings he was scoring runs he had so much luck and multiple lives (and still couldn't get through to centuries and beyond). Then he decided to jack in red ball cricket for a bit so gave the impression he didn't want to be selected (not that that did Rashid any harm, admittedly...)
From what I understand, the new selectors are of the opinion that Jennings has the most talent and is the best opener in England and they need persist with him as he will come good at some point.
Which, if true, and there is no one better we may as well pack up and stop playing test cricket right now.
