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[Archibald&Crooks]

You secretly love him don't ya!

I see the feeling in Australia hasn't diminished from what I've seen online, what are the people you mingle with in the criminal fraternity calling for out there?

Personally I think Smith & Warner are facing 12 to 24 month bans, most likely 12 with anyone else connected getting a bit less, maybe just a suspension from playing for the team.

Gillespie has said he knows for a fact that one senior player is raging that he's been dragged into this so there's another rift to be healed. I wonder who it is? Starc perhaps?

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Going back to honest cricket, England look fucked. Again.

Root out last ball of the day, Moen out a couple of balls before tea. Bah.

Which reminds me. If anyone thinks the Aussies cheated in the Ashes. Really? We're that shit they didn't need to.

It looks like both teams will soon be ripping it up and starting again.

 

[aussiespursguy]

I see the feeling in Australia hasn't diminished from what I've seen online, what are the people you mingle with in the criminal fraternity calling for out there?

Personally I think Smith & Warner are facing 12 to 24 month bans, most likely 12 with anyone else connected getting a bit less, maybe just a suspension from playing for the team.

Gillespie has said he knows for a fact that one senior player is raging that he's been dragged into this so there's another rift to be healed. I wonder who it is? Starc perhaps?

There really is a lot of pain here. So many ex players are seething. I spoke with my old man yesterday (former safe cracker) and he agrees with me. The team is going to be tainted unless every last person involved is removed. I really cant see any comeback for those involved. Even a 12 or 24 month ban. If, and its a big if, a player comes back in the team its basically giving the opposition a free hit to have a crack, along with the worlds press.

The most important thing right now is find out exactly who was actively involved. It is clear Smith and apparently Warner are. We also know Bancroft was but he was the mule. As for who else, names thrown about are Starc and Hazelwood. I would be very surprised if Paine wasn't involved. Even though he's only recently back he would be considered a senior player. Not so sure about both Starc and Josh. I also doubt Boof had any idea.

At the end of the day, do the investigation, weed out who was involved, and dump them. The Australian team and indeed the game worldwide is bigger than the individuals. I cant support anyone who was involved. The team will suffer initially, but will bounce back. There are some great players looking for an opportunity.

Finally, this is the biggest scandal in Cricket here ever. This is bigger that World Series Cricket. This will not be brushed under the carpet, well at least i expect not. Nor should it. The Aussie public wont accept a half hearted effort at the clean up.

 

[Ossie'sAardvark]

There really is a lot of pain here. So many ex players are seething. I spoke with my old man yesterday (former safe cracker) and he agrees with me. The team is going to be tainted unless every last person involved is removed. I really cant see any comeback for those involved. Even a 12 or 24 month ban. If, and its a big if, a player comes back in the team its basically giving the opposition a free hit to have a crack, along with the worlds press.

The most important thing right now is find out exactly who was actively involved. It is clear Smith and apparently Warner are. We also know Bancroft was but he was the mule. As for who else, names thrown about are Starc and Hazelwood. I would be very surprised if Paine wasn't involved. Even though he's only recently back he would be considered a senior player. Not so sure about both Starc and Josh. I also doubt Boof had any idea.

At the end of the day, do the investigation, weed out who was involved, and dump them. The Australian team and indeed the game worldwide is bigger than the individuals. I cant support anyone who was involved. The team will suffer initially, but will bounce back. There are some great players looking for an opportunity.

Finally, this is the biggest scandal in Cricket here ever. This is bigger that World Series Cricket. This will not be brushed under the carpet, well at least i expect not. Nor should it. The Aussie public wont accept a half hearted effort at the clean up.

Hard but Fair is the way I see the Aussie Cricket team. That won't change for me because of a few idiots....But I'll enjoy being smug for a while, especially after the Jimmy Anderson accusations. Keep ya chin up mate!

 

[samspurs92]

I just can’t see how Smith, Warner, Starc, Lyon and Hazlewood can get a look in after this.

If they’re confirmed to be the people that are the ‘leadership’ team, they have all been involved in pre meditated cheating and been caught red handed.

Smith has ruined his career and will be forever known as a cheat. Nobody likes this team and I think they’ll now be lucky to find anyone to play.

It was really sad listening to Jim Maxwell on the radio too, the players don’t understand the significance of what they’ve done to the game.

 

[dondo]

Crikey. Would never have thought the Australians would be bad sports and cheat..

Bad sports certainly but cheats is a bit harsh. Only this cricket team has cheated (twice) in the last year or so

 

[tiger666]

Bad sports certainly but cheats is a bit harsh. Only this cricket team has cheated (twice) in the last year or so

Yeah, so they're cheats.

 

[aussiespursguy]

Yeah, so they're cheats.

Those in glass houses and all that......
http://www.news.com.au/sport/cricke...s/news-story/0b40e65e087016811800ade7b36a235b

 

[Redfap]

I haven't posted in a long time but I feel the need to post here.

I'm an Australian (living in Adelaide) and a cricket tragic, I'm disgusted by this and the entire public wants blood. I can barely think of a bigger story that has united the public in anger and condemnation.

We are very proud of our successful sporting teams and more so we expect that they conduct themselves in a tough and uncompromising manner but always FAIR. This is what makes the Ashes so special and why we respect a good contest between the two (2005), two quality teams with an appreciation for the game and a passion to play hard for their country but to do so in the spirit of the game.

This was blatant cheating and it is hard to cop, the worst is that they didn't realise how bad their behaviour was. The last few years our behaviour has been poor and we've been hyprocrits!

A dark day and I would think Smith and Warner sacked as Capt and Vice and to serve 12 month bans. It is a joke that Smith got a one game ban from ICC.

I will also add that reportedly Starc and Hazelwood were unaware and were furious that Smith used term leadership group (wank fest) and since retracted to senior players.

Embarassing for proud Aussie's but please don't think for a moment that we are cheaters and consider this acceptable.

End Rant - tail between legs.

COYS

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I haven't posted in a long time but I feel the need to post here.

I'm an Australian (living in Adelaide) and a cricket tragic, I'm disgusted by this and the entire public wants blood. I can barely think of a bigger story that has united the public in anger and condemnation.

We are very proud of our successful sporting teams and more so we expect that they conduct themselves in a tough and uncompromising manner but always FAIR. This is what makes the Ashes so special and why we respect a good contest between the two (2005), two quality teams with an appreciation for the game and a passion to play hard for their country but to do so in the spirit of the game.

This was blatant cheating and it is hard to cop, the worst is that they didn't realise how bad their behaviour was. The last few years our behaviour has been poor and we've been hyprocrits!

A dark day and I would think Smith and Warner sacked as Capt and Vice and to serve 12 month bans. It is a joke that Smith got a one game ban from ICC.

I will also add that reportedly Starc and Hazelwood were unaware and were furious that Smith used term leadership group (wank fest) and since retracted to senior players.

Embarassing for proud Aussie's but please don't think for a moment that we are cheaters and consider this acceptable.

End Rant - tail between legs.

COYS

Good post.

The ICC have ball tampering listed as a level 2 offence and the punishment they gave Smith was the maximum allowed under that rule, a Fine of 50% to 100% of match fee and/or ban for 1 Test or 2 ODIs (I think if you offend in a test you're banned for a test, same for ODI's). Currently the most serious offences are mainly related to match fixing but I wouldn't be surprised if that were revisited sometime soon.

Here's the ICC code of conduct

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICC_Cricket_Code_of_Conduct

The seriousness of these levels goes from 1 (the lowest) to 4 (the most severe)

 

[Redfap]

Good post.

The ICC have ball tampering listed as a level 2 offence and the punishment they gave Smith was the maximum allowed under that rule, a Fine of 50% to 100% of match fee and/or ban for 1 Test or 2 ODIs (I think if you offend in a test you're banned for a test, same for ODI's). Currently the most serious offences are mainly related to match fixing but I wouldn't be surprised if that were revisited sometime soon.

Here's the ICC code of conduct

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICC_Cricket_Code_of_Conduct

The seriousness of these levels goes from 1 (the lowest) to 4 (the most severe)

Thanks for share. That sort of penalty is hardly a strong deterrent to anyone considering tampering. Shouldn't be left to the respective national cricket boards to decide the fate.

Imagine if Bancroft had effected the ball and Starc got the ball reversing like Wasim Akram and cleaned up the SA top order and we won? One match would seem a pittance.

 

[aussiespursguy]

Major announcement scheduled for Wednesday morning from Cricket Australia.

 

[Redfap]

Major announcement scheduled for Wednesday morning from Cricket Australia.

What do you think they will do? Length of ban? do they get sent home?

 

[Spurs_Bear]

What do you think they will do? Length of ban? do they get sent home?

Considering the ECB effectively banned Stokes for 6 months without knowing if he was even going to be charged or not, in an unrelated cricket incident that didn't bring the game into disrepute like this ball tampering has, the Aussies will have to be seen to be taking a similar hard line. The difference in this will be, where as other teams (IPL, Canterbury in NZ etc) were happy to take a punt on Stokes while this hangs over him, I'm not so sure similar leeway will be afforded to Smith/Warner. I think their goose could be cooked for a while unfortunately (lol).

 

[montylynch]

They'll be given lifetime WHU season tickets as punishment !!

Don't really know what to say on this. How can they be so stupid as to think no-one would pick it up, i heard somewhere that there are around 36 cameras at the test match, whatever you do, is now on camera, how could they be so naive.

Ball tampering goes on the world over, we'd be silly to think that it doesn't. Of course there are legal ways to do it, throwing it in on the bounce, throwing it so it rolls on the used pitches etc, but to have virtually a black and decker workbench in your pocket was going a bit far.

These are two tough playing cricket teams but it seems there is a lot of bad blood between these two sides and i can't think what started it.

Maybe Frank Drebbin was the umpire.....

 

[aussiespursguy]

What do you think they will do? Length of ban? do they get sent home?

The only reason Smith is is over there is to answer questions. He will be sent home, no doubt. Any other players involved will as well. As to what CA will do, not sure. As i have said before, I dont know how Smith in particular can ever come back from this. Min ban would be 12 months i suspect. Anything less will be seen as weak. There is to much at stake. Sponsors dollars are important.
Will be very very interesting.

 

[aussiespursguy]

What do you think they will do? Length of ban? do they get sent home?

Good to see another Adelaidian here too!

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Going off the Aussie shenanigans for a bit, catching up on some highlights of Englands second innings and something has occurred to me. What happened to old fashioned opening & top order batsmen, who could go out intending to be at that crease for close of play? Granted, they might not score many runs but they'd take their time, pick their shots, score singles/doubles and work over the bowlers for a few hours. Now we seem to have a new trend where top order are playing like tail enders, slashing at stuff they shouldn't be anywhere near and trying to score off of every ball that's even vaguely playable.

Fielders are sharp now, slip fielders seem to be pulling off lightning catches every week, so where's the opener who's prepared to wait for that guard to drop a bit? The patient batsman who'll happily stand there and dot every ball for four, five or six overs, only opening up the bat when the bowler cocks up and something comes in short, or when the fielder's attention has slipped. I remember players like Tresco and Athers, even Gower on his day (when he wasn't being a twat) could stand there all day if they were asked to, knew when to defend and when to go for it, how to wear down bowlers and take their chances (often with textbook shots as well). Seems to be much more rushed now considering they've got five days to play with.

 

[Arnoldtoo]

Going off the Aussie shenanigans for a bit, catching up on some highlights of Englands second innings and something has occurred to me. What happened to old fashioned opening & top order batsmen, who could go out intending to be at that crease for close of play? Granted, they might not score many runs but they'd take their time, pick their shots, score singles/doubles and work over the bowlers for a few hours. Now we seem to have a new trend where top order are playing like tail enders, slashing at stuff they shouldn't be anywhere near and trying to score off of every ball that's even vaguely playable.

Fielders are sharp now, slip fielders seem to be pulling off lightning catches every week, so where's the opener who's prepared to wait for that guard to drop a bit? The patient batsman who'll happily stand there and dot every ball for four, five or six overs, only opening up the bat when the bowler cocks up and something comes in short, or when the fielder's attention has slipped. I remember players like Tresco and Athers, even Gower on his day (when he wasn't being a twat) could stand there all day if they were asked to, knew when to defend and when to go for it, how to wear down bowlers and take their chances (often with textbook shots as well). Seems to be much more rushed now considering they've got five days to play with.

Are you remembering the same Tresco(thick) and Gower that I am?

 

[Rocksuperstar]

Are you remembering the same Tresco(thick) and Gower that I am?

Yeah, yeah, I know they could be a twat once in a while, but they knew how to own their wicket - i did say "on their day", didn't specify which day

But even saying that, I'd still say they were more reliable then most of our current test squad. Generally, the game has become so impatient.