The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 15 August 2011

[#1 Spur]

Keane moving obviously helps with the wages, but I'm not sure that it means that we'll sign a striker anytime soon as he wasn't really part of our first team squad. And he's already been replaced with VDV.

There was an interesting thought on here last night though that may-be some deals were held up due to Robbie having an equal pay clause in his contract. Does anyone know if that clasue exists, or is it just another Spurs myth?

That is an interesting thought.

He certainly did have it during his first stint. I'm not sure I can see Levy agreeing to it for his second though...

 

[RJ1882]

Great price for Galaxy, might get a few more through the gates. Decent price for us. Between WestHam's loan fee and this we have recouped probably as much as we were ever going to.And big earner of the wage bill.Spurs legend no doubt, but ever since he went to Liverpool he has slowly and painfully continually damaged his lasting memory with me.Now he has gone, I can get back to remembering the good times.

 

[codspur]

A footballer is not a car, which as you know, is an inanimate object. A footballer is a human being, and as such their preferences need to come into the equation.

A wonderfully romantic yet hideously naive view.
Sadly Football is a business, Footballers are assets and shareholders don't like assets being sold to the lowest bidder. Yes thay are people and their opinions count clearly but if they can get more for selling a player to one club as opposed to another they are well within their right (in fact it is their duty as custodians of a business)to try and turn the player towards that club...rather than just selling to the other interested party at a lower price straight away.

 

[plzsm]

i do support the sale of GDS, the chances of him making it in the prem seem slim although I think he is a preferable back up to Lennon than Bentley, my issue is the fee if the 3.5M euro to Seville is correct. For starters its a loss of approx £2M at least, plus he is young, has shown glimpses of real potential (e.g. World Cup), I wouldnt be surprised to see him tarnsferred for +£10M in a few years. I would have thought £5M is a fair price with a sizeable sell on clause. He has to be worth as much as O'Hara and dont reckon he is on big wages. On this basis I fully support Levy telling Seville to do one unless they cough up.

 

[jimmy-jojo]

Not when their preferred move only gets us 2/3 of the transfer fee of the highest bidder

Nonsense.

 

[Hoowl]

Keane contributed nothing last year and was surplus to requirements. If we are going to bring in another forward you would think someone else has to go too.

 

[Spurvert]

Crouch is the only one likely to go now?

Get him to Stoke!!!!!

 

[$hoguN]

Nonsense.

How is that nonsense? It makes complete sense. Levy is not obliged to allow Dos Santos to move, and if one club is offering us more money we are fully entitled to tell the player that he has two options until Sevilla up their bid to match Udinese's, which are to stay or move to Udinese. It is fairly simple really, if Sevilla we offering a similar amount than we should allow Dos Santos to move there as it is his wish, however if they do not, we do not have to.

 

[jimmy-jojo]

A wonderfully romantic yet hideously naive view.
Sadly Football is a business, Footballers are assets and shareholders don't like assets being sold to the lowest bidder. Yes thay are people and their opinions count clearly but if they can get more for selling a player to one club as opposed to another they are well within their right (in fact it is their duty as custodians of a business)to try and turn the player towards that club...rather than just selling to the other interested party at a lower price straight away.

Perhaps it is you that is naive...along with Levy. Remind again how successful we've been getting rid of our surplus players?

Never heard of Player Power? Winston Bogarde, Fabregas, C Ronaldo, Berbatov???

Players go where THEY are happy to go. If GDS doesn't want to go to Udinese then there is little the club can do to 'force' him to go.

GDS may decide to go if he feels Udinese is better than staying with THFC but at the end of the day it's still his decision.

 

[SpurSince57]

i do support the sale of GDS, the chances of him making it in the prem seem slim although I think he is a preferable back up to Lennon than Bentley, my issue is the fee if the 3.5M euro to Seville is correct. For starters its a loss of approx £2M at least, plus he is young, has shown glimpses of real potential (e.g. World Cup), I wouldnt be surprised to see him tarnsferred for +£10M in a few years. I would have thought £5M is a fair price with a sizeable sell on clause. He has to be worth as much as O'Hara and dont reckon he is on big wages. On this basis I fully support Levy telling Seville to do one unless they cough up.

Yes, if. Most of these figures that get bandied about are pure guesswork. According to Topspurs, which probably has as good an idea as any source, he cost us £4.7m; I see nothing wrong with Levy trying to turn a small profit on that.

 

[$hoguN]

Perhaps it is you that is naive...along with Levy. Remind again how successful we've been getting rid of our surplus players?

Never heard of Player Power? Winston Bogarde, Fabregas, C Ronaldo, Berbatov???

Players go where THEY are happy to go. If GDS doesn't want to go to Udinese then there is little the club can do to 'force' him to go.

GDS may decide to go if he feels Udinese is better than staying with THFC but at the end of the day it's still his decision.

All of which were forced to stay at their clubs longer than they wanted, and all who went for premium prices, as their clubs are not obliged to sell them.

 

[Scutch]

I believe if Keane and Giovani leave, that still leaves us with 28 from a squad choice of 25.

There's more to go.

 

[jimmy-jojo]

How is that nonsense? It makes complete sense. Levy is not obliged to allow Dos Santos to move, and if one club is offering us more money we are fully entitled to tell the player that he has two options until Sevilla up their bid to match Udinese's, which are to stay or move to Udinese. It is fairly simple really, if Sevilla we offering a similar amount than we should allow Dos Santos to move there as it is his wish, however if they do not, we do not have to.

It's nonsense because GDS is ultimately the one who decides where he plays. He could decide to sit on his contract and leave on a free...how will the shareholders feel about that?

 

[codspur]

Perhaps it is you that is naive...along with Levy. Remind again how successful we've been getting rid of our surplus players?

Never heard of Player Power? Winston Bogarde, Fabregas, C Ronaldo, Berbatov???

Players go where THEY are happy to go. If GDS doesn't want to go to Udinese then there is little the club can do to 'force' him to go.

GDS may decide to go if he feels Udinese is better than staying with THFC but at the end of the day it's still his decision.

Apologies perhaps you are not naive just not very capable at reading. My initial argument was with a poster suggesting we should just accept Villareals lower off and move GDS on. If you also think that is what we should do without trying to negotiate perhaps we should halt this discussion as I feel sure I would be wasting my time and you probably have some other human rights crusade for the poor downtrodden footballers of the world that would be a better use of your time.:bang:

 

[#1 Spur]

Perhaps it is you that is naive...along with Levy. Remind again how successful we've been getting rid of our surplus players?

Never heard of Player Power? Winston Bogarde, Fabregas, C Ronaldo, Berbatov???

Players go where THEY are happy to go. If GDS doesn't want to go to Udinese then there is little the club can do to 'force' him to go.

GDS may decide to go if he feels Udinese is better than staying with THFC but at the end of the day it's still his decision.

If we don't accept Sevilla then he still only has two choices. He goes to Udinese or he wastes a year with us. Given that choice he'd leave, surely?

 

[$hoguN]

It's nonsense because GDS is ultimately the one who decides where he plays. He could decide to sit on his contract and leave on a free...how will the shareholders feel about that?

I imagine the shareholder will be less bothered by it than Dos Santos himself who will be wasting another year of his career

 

[danielneeds]

It's nonsense because GDS is ultimately the one who decides where he plays. He could decide to sit on his contract and leave on a free...how will the shareholders feel about that?

To me it is also an issue of class, you are dealing with people's lives not just sums on a balance sheet, sometimes I think Levy forgets that.

 

[Dan Ashcroft]

I thought Woody wouldnt take our pay as you play deal???

Not according to him - he said we didn't offer him anything.

Not sure where you got that £9m figure from. More like £6.5m (O'Hara £3.5m, Keane £3m, Woody £Free).

Still good business getting their wages off the payroll.

O'Hara £5m, Keane £3.75m according to some sources (the O'Hara there was quite a lot of agreement about).

Getting a bit annoyed at Levy and co. still trying to push Gio to Udinese when he clearly wants to go to Sevilla. Gio is clearly refusing to put his signature on the deal so, although I normally admire Levy's stance, he has to know that he's beaten here. Sevilla haven't offered more than a couple of million less, really should take the hit on this one.

Gio's a very useful bargaining tool to keep re negotations with any Spanish or southern european team - we shouldn't rush him out the door.

Crouch is the only one likely to go now?

Get him to Stoke!!!!!

Hoepfully Defoe too if we can bring in someone else as well as Adebayor.

 

[Paolo10]

Oh brilliant, it's transfer time. Soon. B&Y. It's hotting up as 2 players that have hardly kicked a ball for us in a year have offers to leave they might not even take. Oooh it's so exciting.

3 days until Hearts, a week until UNITED AWAY and still no new striker!

 

[$hoguN]

To me it is also an issue of class, you are dealing with people's lives not just sums on a balance sheet, sometimes I think Levy forgets that.

Yeah, Levy is a total prick for not letting players leave for pittance when he has been paying them thousands a week for years.

Shame on Levy, in World where half of Africa are starving to death, Levy has the audacity to put a player like Dos Santos through the trauma of not getting his wishes. I mean ffs Levy needs to be brought in front of the Hague.

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