The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 18 May 2011

[Spurger King]

I'd love Rio. Take him in a second. Fuck all chance of us getting him though.

This sums it up nicely.

 

[StartingPrice]

My point was that Harry is sailing dangerously close to completely disregarding our future. It is no good him doing half a job.

When he first came in it was experienced players that were still young enough... Bassong was 22, Palacios and Krancjar were 24. Now, aside from Parker at 30 the minimum age he is looking at is about 33.

My point is that the facts don't really warrant such a pessimistic conclusion.

You, yourself, idicate that he did bring in some fairly young talent. He also made one of his first purchases the two Kyle's. What is wrong with him wnating to balance that out a bit, now, with some more experience (real experience) - it's not like he has issued a statement that he will be at WHL for the enxt 10 years omg, and will only consider players over 30 for the rest of his tenure. He just, at this precise juncture, wants to get some experience in - who knows with that 'experience' we might have squeezed wins out of some of those draws in the final 3rd of the season:shrug:

Besides, he has been instrumental in most of the appointments directly responsible for youth development, etc - that is his job, to delegate. We must also suppose that he has had some input in the fancy continuity-soaked job titles for peeople like Sherwood, whcih are quite forward thinking and aimed specifically at facilitating the development of youth players and their induciton into the higher levels of the playing squad.

If I were to be honest, I would have to say, i really don't think a lot of fans have a Scooby about what is actually going on at these levels.

 

[NickHSpurs]

I can't believe people are even discussing Rio, we may as well be talking about bidding for Messi, we do not have a hope in hell's chance of signing someone like Rio Ferdinand!

The lad will be on mega mega money which we would not be able to come close too.

 

[haslemereyid]

Where am I saying lose Bale, Sandro and Kaboul?

Bassong and Woodgate are leaving the club in all likeliness, if that happens Rio in would be a good move, especially seeing as when fit he's one of the best in the world in his position.

He would only have a couple of seasons, but if that makes us better and helps players to improve it's only a good thing. Look how Dawson improved playing alongside King and Woodgate, Kaboul can learn from Rio.

Neither am I saying just sign old players, but I think there's a place for players who have been there and done it, especially if we want to go places.

you are not saying lose bale sandro kaboul and any other 20's something but by bringing in players in the twilight of their careers will lead to the loss of the younger players

 

[nicdic]

you are not saying lose bale sandro kaboul and any other 20's something but by bringing in players in the twilight of their careers will lead to the loss of the younger players

No it won't.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

We have a boy who is widely considered a huge talent in Caulker. Huge talents develop by getting chances, not by having Rio put ahead of them. In Kaboul we have a tall, strong, fast centre back who is comfortable on the ball, great in the air and a quality tackler. He doesn't become the centre back he was destined to be by having Rio put ahead of him. Then there's King, who when fit is the best centre back anywhere, Dawson, who is our heartbeat, and Gallas, who has just had a superb season for us. We're cutting a great centre back loose in Woodgate, and shipping out the very capable Bassong because he can't get a sniff. Massive wages and a squad place going to Rio would be a huge waste in every sense.

 

[haslemereyid]

No it won't.

ok kaboul just sits there at number 5 hoping to get an upgrade to the bench yeah right - i would be disappointed any of our players who had that attitude -

for the record i would also love to see rio playing regulalry in a spurs shirt but it would have to be at the expense of Gallas or Ledley

 

[punky]

If you ignore all of the young players we're being linked to, yeah.

:roll:

Oh come on, we are linked with something like 200 players every window and normally buy around 3. You have to ignore 98.5% of players we are linked to.

Harry has been quoted as saying he wants to buy experienced, seasoned EPL players for an immediate impact. Where has he been quoted as saying he wants to buy young talent to build a team for the future?

My point is that the facts don't really warrant such a pessimistic conclusion.

If you really don't think so then that's your perogative. We'll agree to disagree and move on.

Speaking of the two Kyles though when the transfer went through there was plenty of ITK (and i'm sure media reports) that, like the Sandro transfer, it wasn't entirely a Redknapp descision.

 

[haslemereyid]

We have a boy who is widely considered a huge talent in Caulker. Huge talents develop by getting chances, not by having Rio put ahead of them. In Kaboul we have a tall, strong, fast centre back who is comfortable on the ball, great in the air and a quality tackler. He doesn't become the centre back he was destined to be by having Rio put ahead of him. Then there's King, who when fit is the best centre back anywhere, Dawson, who is our heartbeat, and Gallas, who has just had a superb season for us. We're cutting a great centre back loose in Woodgate, and shipping out the very capable Bassong because he can't get a sniff. Massive wages and a squad place going to Rio would be a huge waste in every sense.

:clap: thats what i meant to say

 

[nicdic]

ok kaboul just sits there at number 5 hoping to get an upgrade to the bench yeah right - i would be disappointed any of our players who had that attitude -

for the record i would also love to see rio playing regulalry in a spurs shirt but it would have to be at the expense of Gallas or Ledley

Gallas, Ledley and Rio are all likely to miss games, so I don't see a problem. I'll reiterate I don't think it will happen, United would be mad to sell.

Oh come on, we are linked with something like 200 players every window and normally buy around 3. You have to ignore 98.5% of players we are linked to.

Harry has been quoted as saying he wants to buy experienced, seasoned EPL players for an immediate impact. Where has he been quoted as saying he wants to buy young talent to build a team for the future?

But you've only chosen to listen to the ones that annoy you and support an anti-Harry agenda.

If you really don't think so then that's your perogative. We'll agree to disagree and move on.

Speaking of the two Kyles though when the transfer went through there was plenty of ITK (and i'm sure media reports) that, like the Sandro transfer, it wasn't entirely a Redknapp descision.

Oh yeah I remember now, good transfers = Levy/Broomfield/anyone but Harry. Bad transfers = Harry.

:roll:

 

[nicdic]

We have a boy who is widely considered a huge talent in Caulker. Huge talents develop by getting chances, not by having Rio put ahead of them. In Kaboul we have a tall, strong, fast centre back who is comfortable on the ball, great in the air and a quality tackler. He doesn't become the centre back he was destined to be by having Rio put ahead of him. Then there's King, who when fit is the best centre back anywhere, Dawson, who is our heartbeat, and Gallas, who has just had a superb season for us. We're cutting a great centre back loose in Woodgate, and shipping out the very capable Bassong because he can't get a sniff. Massive wages and a squad place going to Rio would be a huge waste in every sense.

Pav, Crouch and Defoe can all score goals and Kane, Obika etc. could come through, so buying a striker would be a waste? :shrug:

 

[punky]

But you've only chosen to listen to the ones that annoy you and support an anti-Harry agenda.



Oh yeah I remember now, good transfers = Levy/Broomfield/anyone but Harry. Bad transfers = Harry.

:roll:

Oh grow up, really.

If you're going to reply to my posts then at least say something meaningful than dismissing every post as a anti-Harry agenda.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Pav, Crouch and Defoe can all score goals and Kane, Obika etc. could come through, so buying a striker would be a waste? :shrug:

Pav, Crouch and Defoe are, as agreed by almost everyone including you, nowhere near good enough at what they do for what we want. King, Dawson, Kaboul and Gallas most certainly are. Therefore all of the above is a completely irrelevant point. That aside, good point well made!

 

[nicdic]

But punky you have chosen to ignore any links to anybody that doesn't fit. We're linked with Osvaldo, Falcao, Hulk, Drogba, Adebayor, Marin, Hazard, Sakho, Gervinho, etc. Yet Harry only wants aging pros who are all past it and will have a bad influence etc.

It's just silly.

 

[ohwhenthespurs]

fair enough. I knew this would get a bit of Harry bashing, and I almost didn't post it on here for that reason.

If what I'm posting on here leads to Harry bashing then I (among others I'm sure) will stop posting altogether. This isn't the harry bashing thread, its a transfer discussion thread and complaining will do no good for anyone.

Worth mentioning also early on that I didn't say it WOULD happen, I just said we're interested. The half-decent rags will be picking this up soon enough for sure.

Don't stop posting mate, I for one value your information extremely highly and always find it to be a good, informed, well-balanced read. If you're who I think you are, also, I can see no way in which your info wouldn't be absolutely spot on, straight from multiple horses' mouths at the club. Keep fighting the good fight, my friend.

 

[nicdic]

Pav, Crouch and Defoe are, as agreed by almost everyone including you, nowhere near good enough at what they do for what we want. King, Dawson, Kaboul and Gallas most certainly are. Therefore all of the above is a completely irrelevant point. That aside, good point well made!

Ferdinand is better than Kaboul, Dawson, Bassong, Caulker, Khumalo, etc. but we don't want him because he'd mean they couldn't play. Even though he'd improve the team. I just don't get that. I won't be disappointed if we don't sign Rio, I don't think it will happen, but surely if there's an opportunity to improve an area of the team, even if it's not a vital area, you'd do it? Surely.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

When we have King out for a likely half the games at least, would it really be wise to assign a squad place to Ferdinand who will be out of a likely half the games at least? Unless we managed to make sure that their injuries didn't coincide, that could leave us with just 3 centre halves, one of whom is the very breakable Gallas, for a likely half the games at least.

 

[nicdic]

When we have King out for a likely half the games at least, would it really be wise to assign a squad place to Ferdinand who will be out of a likely half the games at least? Unless we managed to make sure that their injuries didn't coincide, that could leave us with just 3 centre halves, one of whom is the very breakable Gallas, for a likely half the games at least.

How different is that to Woodgate and King the last two seasons? If Woodgate is leaving, then why is Rio in a bad move. The guy is class, and plays more than Woodgate would.

 

[BringBack_leGin]

Other than losing the club around 5m in wages, what has Woodgates presence acheived over the past two seasons?

The other thing I'd say is, if Ferguson is writing off a player from being useful, then a club like us who aspires to that level shouldn't go within a mile. I would never want us to sign a player that Utd didn't actually want to keep.

 

[nicdic]

Is Ferdinand better than Dawson, Gallas and Kaboul?