The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - 8th June 2015

[Mr Pink]

I don't think it is that simple. Levy fought hard to keep Berbatov, Modric and Bale. Only relenting on two of them due to their contracts running down and the other one went for a world record fee that no club would turn down.

I believe Levy will fight again to keep Lloris in this case. There is no reason why he won't refuse to sell to a rival in Man U like he did Modric a few seasons back. And Lloris can't do anything about it.

Not saying its that simple, what I am saying is that its a possibility. To dismiss it completely is naive IMO.
Levy will do his best to try and keep him, or, secure as much as we can for him.

 

[Shadydan]

Do we want unsettled players though?

Look how Berbatov threatened to score own goals unless he got his move, look how Bale faked an injury, look how Modric sulked and sulked, do we really need a barely motivated Lloris sulking around the place possibly unsettling the squad?

Don't think you can really compare Lloris' situation to those who were actively seeking moves away from the club just yet, the impression I get is that he'd be happy to stay on as Spurs despite today's comments, can't see him throwing his toys out the pram at all unlike the others who were in a desperate situation.

 

[fuzzylogic]

Do we want unsettled players though?

Look how Berbatov threatened to score own goals unless he got his move, look how Bale faked an injury, look how Modric sulked and sulked, do we really need a barely motivated Lloris sulking around the place possibly unsettling the squad?

Never heard anything about berba threatening to score own goals before

 

[spursfan77]

Doesn't surprise me in the slightest. We'll get top dollar, guaranteed with Levy, but for the love of God get it done swiftly so it doesn't turn into the saga of the summer, and more importantly, we can get on with getting our incoming business under way - as that should provide some additional funds for the needs we've identified.

The new itk from the goat isn't great is it. Shame we are so shit at buying replacements when our best players leave. We might get top dollar for Hugo but I've zero faith in the club replacing him adequately

 

[Xeeleeyid]

I'm pretty relaxed about Lloris. The reason being is because I like the bloke. I think he's approaching his peak as a keeper and unfortunately we have a young squad, a very young squad, that's a few seasons away from being as competitive as he deserves.

But if he stays great. If he goes, we'll get a shit-tonne of money, possibly £20m or such-like and there are keepers available who we could get for half that who would do a good solid job for us.

 

[smudger]

Do we want unsettled players though?

Look how Berbatov threatened to score own goals unless he got his move, look how Bale faked an injury, look how Modric sulked and sulked, do we really need a barely motivated Lloris sulking around the place possibly unsettling the squad?

Never heard anything about berba threatening to score own goals before

That was gallas at chelski i think matey

 

[gerishep]

I'm pretty relaxed about Lloris. The reason being is because I like the bloke. I think he's approaching his peak as a keeper and unfortunately we have a young squad, a very young squad, that's a few seasons away from being as competitive as he deserves.

But if he stays great. If he goes, we'll get a shit-tonne of money, possibly £20m or such-like and there are keepers available who we could get for half that who would do a good solid job for us.

You mean like our last 2 Robinson and Gomez.

 

[Bus-Conductor]

I'm with @jair1970 on this one.

Lloris isn't our most important player, Bentaleb is, I'd be far more gutted if we didn't get his situation sorted out, than I will be if we sell Lloris for big fee. I'd be more gutted if we lost Vertonghen, Dier, Eriksen, Kane, Onomah, Winks, Pritchard or Edwards.

Hell, I'd even take Casillas, he's no where near the disaster the spanish media and the idiot Real fans think he is. He's a very good keeper who plays behind a 2/8 formation.

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

Do we want unsettled players though?

Look how Berbatov threatened to score own goals unless he got his move, look how Bale faked an injury, look how Modric sulked and sulked, do we really need a barely motivated Lloris sulking around the place possibly unsettling the squad?

Lloris will get on with it. He has already said himself that when the season starts he will be focused and professional.

 

[barry]

I'm with @jair1970 on this one.

Lloris isn't our most important player, Bentaleb is, I'd be far more gutted if we didn't get his situation sorted out, than I will be if we sell Lloris for big fee. I'd be more gutted if we lost Vertonghen, Dier, Eriksen, Kane, Onomah, Winks, Pritchard or Edwards.

Hell, I'd even take Casillas, he's no where near the disaster the spanish media and the idiot Real fans think he is. He's a very good keeper who plays behind a 2/8 formation.

Trust me he's bad. Real fucking bad. I don't want casillias anywhere near the club. I've never seen a keeper that imperious became that terrible. If he wasn't casillias he would have been sold long ago. He should never pay for Spain again. Awful keeper

 

[Oshi]

I'm with @jair1970 on this one.

Lloris isn't our most important player, Bentaleb is, I'd be far more gutted if we didn't get his situation sorted out, than I will be if we sell Lloris for big fee. I'd be more gutted if we lost Vertonghen, Dier, Eriksen, Kane, Onomah, Winks, Pritchard or Edwards.

Hell, I'd even take Casillas, he's no where near the disaster the spanish media and the idiot Real fans think he is. He's a very good keeper who plays behind a 2/8 formation.

Managing to pick up Casillas for a few million notes after we have fleeced United for £30million + wouldn't be the worse piece of business in the summer

*I acknowledge many assumptions there

 

[smudger]

ironically there looks like there will be a few decent keepers getable for us u would think this window, but sure we will stick with vorm in true spursy style.

but in saying that a couple of years ago we would've been happy with that, been spoilt by having a keeper probably too good for us in between the sticks for us

 

[THFCSPURS19]

I'll lump these all in one post.

Head in the sand mate.

This is escalating fast from a few weeks ago where he "definitely isn't leaving" to an acceptance from ITK's we will sell and quotes from the player specifically talking about the club he is linked to.

With Bale we were still expecting him to be with us next season at this point.

We will sell, Utd will pay and Hugo will go. It really is as good as done.

OK, firstly, I'll admit that I'm probably 'too relaxed' about this. I also refused to believe the Bale stuff but that was different as it was always very plausible that we would sell to Madrid, whereas I don't think Levy would sell to a PL rival. If this was Hugo to Madrid we were talking about, then I would think we would have no chance keeping him.

Regarding your last statement, I think all the parts of it are wrong. Firstly, I'm not sure we would sell to a PL rival, especially United after our previous dealing which left us in the shitter. Secondly, as I've said before, why would United pay if we set an obscene price that was far above what Stoke and Chelsea would want for Begovic and Cech. If we play our cards right, at some stage, I think Levy could frustrate them enough for them to go for someone else.

Lastly, it just isn't as good as done at all. It cannot be anywhere near that stage until a formal bid has been made and they have sold De Gea, which could go on for ages if they try to haggle with Madrid.

Lloris is openly talking about United's interest though, further still he claims to be monitoring De Gea's situation!

Whilst I agree that plenty of us like to dramatize, those quotes are pretty clear in terms of his intentions.

And, long experience tells us that we invariably deal in these situations - and if De Gea is sold its inevitable they'll bid. Modric and Chelsea was entirely different given the ill feeling between the Clubs.

Hugo has talked about the speculation, but it's not like he's sat down and said 'you know what, let's talk about me going to United'. He was asked a question, and he answered it- maybe he should have completely avoided it, but I wouldn't say he is 'openly' talking about it.

I agree they will bid, but I don't agree that there is a significant difference at all between the Modric and Lloris situations. In fact, evidence suggests that feelings are worse between us and United after the Carrick and Berbatov messes and they were clearly furious when we signed Fryers. Just because they aren't in London, it doesn't mean there can't be bad feelings. In fact, I believe that if City were trying for him, they would have a much better chance.

Come on, mate. Would you really be surprised if he left? We've all seen this one play out multiple times. I was convinced Bale was staying all summer until he suddenly went missing from pre-season and that was the final straw, realising we'll just end up selling our best players. I'm pretty convinced Lloris will be off this summer, especially after quotes of him admitting he's keeping an eye on the United position.

I wish I could share your optimism but I think we've all been burnt too many times.

I would be slightly surprised as I thought Levy had stopped selling to rivals, and if he did, my feelings about Levy would finally be concrete, and it wouldn't be positive. We have seen this play out before, but it is the consequences of certain events that make me have my position.

One situation would be the Berbatov transfer, which is one of the reasons I think Levy would hate doing any business with United and would not have it in him to sell our best player to them. Again. Remember, 2008 was the last time we sold a big player to a rival PL club. This has to be taken into account.

The most recent situation was the Modric shit. And we know what happened. He refused to deal with a PL rival, and ended up selling for less than Chelsea bid the next summer. I see no reason why he couldn't also flat-out refuse to deal with United this time around. Saying that, I would expect him to go next summer if we don't get Champions League, which is looking like the most probable scenario.

So, all in all, I still think the reaction has been too extreme, but that's SC for you As I've said before, I'm probably too calm about this, but then I think people who believe that he's basically gone are completely wrong. I think the best position to take would be to accept that he may go, but not that he's already done so.

Fuck, that was a long post.

 

[Lilbaz]

If Lloris stays great. If he leaves get top dollar and a good replacement. Scrap the suicidal high line and sort out one of the leakiest defences in the premier league.

Can we all stop being drama queens about it?

 

[Sarsipius]

But if we ever want to join the big boys we need to halt the selling of stars like Lloris - esp when they're under contract and have no need to sell. We don't have the financial clout to purchase mega stars so when we get one for cheaps we must refrain from cashing in! But hey ho I expected Hugo to go soon, this is THFC

For the gillionth time, players are more powerful than their contracts and can (and have on nearly every occasion for us when we've wanted to keep a star) force a move if they are determined to.

It is simply foolish to try to keep a player if he is genuinely intent on leaving. If you can't understand that you're lacking basic comprehension of the game/industry.

The managers captain was Kaboul....

That was the players' captain tbf

 

[Bus-Conductor]

Trust me he's bad. Real fucking bad. I don't want casillias anywhere near the club. I've never seen a keeper that imperious became that terrible. If he wasn't casillias he would have been sold long ago. He should never pay for Spain again. Awful keeper

I don't think he is anywhere near as bad as he's portrayed, he gets awfully exposed at times.

 

[Oshi]

@THFCSPURS19 is @StartingPrice around your house borrowing your PC?

 

[Sarsipius]

I think Lloris would be mad to join Man U, they're not really that close to winning anything with Chelsea, Citeh and Arsenal all so strong right now.

Plus under Van Gaal they're an absolute circus.

 

[barry]

I don't think he is anywhere near as bad as he's portrayed, he gets awfully exposed at times.

He has that air of insecurity and fallibility which causes havoc amongst the defence. He's looks like a broken man to me. He's like a deer caught in the headlights,whereas before he oozed confidence.
Maybe in a less pressured environment he could get it back, but I just can't see it, and I don't want us to be the tester club.

 

[mpickard2087]

I don't think he is anywhere near as bad as he's portrayed, he gets awfully exposed at times.

His decision making in particular has completely gone to pot. I really do not know what happened with him and it is a shame to see a player decline like that, mentally he's just gone. HIs reflexes aren't what they were either.

 

[Nanky_1988]

Never heard anything about berba threatening to score own goals before

That was gallas at arsenal I think!?