The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - DEADLINE DAY 31st August 2021

[SpursSince1980]

Alrighty, here we go.



Our DoF was given a budget, which he performed miracles, and kept well within. Basically near net-spend, without getting tied down on exact figures. If you take time to calculate our signings, they were basically ‘loans’ in essence. Yes! There are ‘Options/Obligations’. So not much spent.



Our DoF took on his role, as he was assured DL would not interfere once given his budget. The only time he would is if we were likely to exceed it. The financial department, and DL would sign off.



I said privately our DoF requested the help of Mendez on certain deals , more to assist the selling club, but also us. And I will not divulge beyond that. Around three weeks ago we started to make moves for Traoré, but for this to happen Mendez had to get a ‘mandate’ to assist. This was known privately, even before the media got wind of it.



The player himself made it known to Wolves, he wanted to join us. Liverpool were interested, but knocked back. We offered a derisory sum to Wolves. This at the interference of DL, who did not like tge sound of ‘cash’ in any form, though spread out over term of his contract. He then suggested we do ‘Loan with option’ and insulting offer. He then offered ‘obligation’ but same offer. The initial down payment was a joke.



His view was ‘Traoré has around just under two years left’ and feel it was bad business to offer what Wolves wanted. Traoré told Wolves he would not be signing a new contract. Tuesday agreement was reached we would as good as meet their valuation, based upon realistic incentives, which was relayed they would accept. A meeting was held by DL and those involved, and he was not happy to sanction such an outlay. And argued on Stevie, Lucas, Gil, Lucas as ‘just as good’ and better. And we should use them in the mid-term.



There is/was money for a ‘special purchase’ and was being saved for the striker department. Nuno viewed Traoré as the ideal player to fulfil various roles, and create space etc, for our ‘capabilities to create goal scoring opportunities for players like Dele, Kane, Lucas, Gil, Son, GLC’

It was viewed that we need to cover this area, seeing we failed to bring in a striker, even on loan. We also tried for Neves lol.



I will be surprised if Paratici is here at the end of his contract, and already clubs over here looking at him. If you really believe Nuno will work under these conditions beyond his remit (2 years) we are wrong. Same reasons why he left Wolves



My conclusion is Mr Daniel Levy cannot let go, cannot grip himself. And Paratici is no glove puppet. For all of us very long-suffering supporters, I feel for us, because our club is a drug in our veins. COYS

That is quite possibly one of the saddest pieces of ITK i've read for quite some years.

We finally have a decent DoF, who is well respected all around the world. A Chairman who vowed to step away. A coach who was made promises. And then Daniel turned around and broke them all.

If that's all true, it's completely heartbreaking to hear. As there's not a chance Paratici stays beyond this season. How could he? His reputation does not deserve to be besmirched by Daniel's fuckery. Likewise, Nuno has fallen for the same trap Levy has laid out for others over the years.

And to top all that off, we also are still without a stadium sponsor. I really don't know what Spurs means to Levy. But I used to be on the fence about him. Some good things he did and some annoying things. But this latest news, firmly puts me in the 'i fucking despise him' camp. He's basically taken the club hostage.

The fans, the players, the coaching staff, DoF, scouting, etc all deserve better than this. We are bigger than this. But he runs the club like we're a small Championship team.

Again, I know not to take everything on face value. But Herc has no reason to mislead. So, be this all true, it really hurts knowing that each time we are on the cusp, Daniel goes out of his way to pull us away from potential greatness. Why? Who the hell knows.

Oh, and the whole line about: 'Daniel knows we have to overspend to get CL again, and is willing to do so' is absolute bullshit. Whoever got fed that porky pie should question why on Earth their source thought this particular Tiger had changed his stripes.

We are Tottenham. And yes, we are a big club. About time we had a chairman and ownership who want the same thing. Clearly Daniel and Joe don't give a shit.

 

[spursfan77]

I’m just glad the summer is over in terms of spurs. I think we’d struggle to find a busier or more up and down one than this from the manager search to Kane to the transfer window. The summer has felt long, the itk fun as usual but it’s great to just look forward to the football now.

 

[ziggy]

Alrighty, here we go.



Our DoF was given a budget, which he performed miracles, and kept well within. Basically near net-spend, without getting tied down on exact figures. If you take time to calculate our signings, they were basically ‘loans’ in essence. Yes! There are ‘Options/Obligations’. So not much spent.



Our DoF took on his role, as he was assured DL would not interfere once given his budget. The only time he would is if we were likely to exceed it. The financial department, and DL would sign off.



I said privately our DoF requested the help of Mendez on certain deals , more to assist the selling club, but also us. And I will not divulge beyond that. Around three weeks ago we started to make moves for Traoré, but for this to happen Mendez had to get a ‘mandate’ to assist. This was known privately, even before the media got wind of it.



The player himself made it known to Wolves, he wanted to join us. Liverpool were interested, but knocked back. We offered a derisory sum to Wolves. This at the interference of DL, who did not like the sound of ‘cash’ in any form, though spread out over term of his contract. He then suggested we do ‘Loan with option’ and insulting offer. He then offered ‘obligation’ but same offer. The initial down payment was a joke.



His view was ‘Traoré has around just under two years left’ and feel it was bad business to offer what Wolves wanted. Traoré told Wolves he would not be signing a new contract. Tuesday agreement was reached we would as good as meet their valuation, based upon realistic incentives, which was relayed they would accept. A meeting was held by DL and those involved, and he was not happy to sanction such an outlay. And argued on Stevie, Lucas, Gil, Lucas as ‘just as good’ and better. And we should use them in the mid-term.



There is/was money for a ‘special purchase’ and was being saved for the striker department. Nuno viewed Traoré as the ideal player to fulfil various roles, and create space etc, for our ‘capabilities to create goal scoring opportunities for players like Dele, Kane, Lucas, Gil, Son, GLC’

It was viewed that we need to cover this area, seeing we failed to bring in a striker, even on loan. We also tried for Neves lol.



I will be surprised if Paratici is here at the end of his contract, and already clubs over here looking at him. If you really believe Nuno will work under these conditions beyond his remit (2 years) we are wrong. Same reasons why he left Wolves



My conclusion is Mr Daniel Levy cannot let go, cannot grip himself. And Paratici is no glove puppet. For all of us very long-suffering supporters, I feel for us, because our club is a drug in our veins. COYS

So very sad he never learns does he, see why Harry wants to get out

 

[spursfan77]

Alrighty, here we go.



Our DoF was given a budget, which he performed miracles, and kept well within. Basically near net-spend, without getting tied down on exact figures. If you take time to calculate our signings, they were basically ‘loans’ in essence. Yes! There are ‘Options/Obligations’. So not much spent.



Our DoF took on his role, as he was assured DL would not interfere once given his budget. The only time he would is if we were likely to exceed it. The financial department, and DL would sign off.



I said privately our DoF requested the help of Mendez on certain deals , more to assist the selling club, but also us. And I will not divulge beyond that. Around three weeks ago we started to make moves for Traoré, but for this to happen Mendez had to get a ‘mandate’ to assist. This was known privately, even before the media got wind of it.



The player himself made it known to Wolves, he wanted to join us. Liverpool were interested, but knocked back. We offered a derisory sum to Wolves. This at the interference of DL, who did not like the sound of ‘cash’ in any form, though spread out over term of his contract. He then suggested we do ‘Loan with option’ and insulting offer. He then offered ‘obligation’ but same offer. The initial down payment was a joke.



His view was ‘Traoré has around just under two years left’ and feel it was bad business to offer what Wolves wanted. Traoré told Wolves he would not be signing a new contract. Tuesday agreement was reached we would as good as meet their valuation, based upon realistic incentives, which was relayed they would accept. A meeting was held by DL and those involved, and he was not happy to sanction such an outlay. And argued on Stevie, Lucas, Gil, Lucas as ‘just as good’ and better. And we should use them in the mid-term.



There is/was money for a ‘special purchase’ and was being saved for the striker department. Nuno viewed Traoré as the ideal player to fulfil various roles, and create space etc, for our ‘capabilities to create goal scoring opportunities for players like Dele, Kane, Lucas, Gil, Son, GLC’

It was viewed that we need to cover this area, seeing we failed to bring in a striker, even on loan. We also tried for Neves lol.



I will be surprised if Paratici is here at the end of his contract, and already clubs over here looking at him. If you really believe Nuno will work under these conditions beyond his remit (2 years) we are wrong. Same reasons why he left Wolves



My conclusion is Mr Daniel Levy cannot let go, cannot grip himself. And Paratici is no glove puppet. For all of us very long-suffering supporters, I feel for us, because our club is a drug in our veins. COYS

Cheers Hercules. Basically what’s happened then is what lots of us said would happen when Paratici joined. Levy would still be involved, he wouldn’t be able to help himself.

 

[Tucker]

Sounds like it’s only a matter of time before the wheels come off big time.

 

[mil1lion]

Is this why Arnesen left for Chelsea? Or did he only leave for the money? Maybe he found out early that he wouldn't have much control. Let's hope we keep Paratici long enough to make a difference. We seem to be on track again now signing young players who have a high ceiling. I've been impressed with the players we've attracted here and I'm sure Paratici played a big part in that. We signed players from Atalanta, Sevilla and Barca, all teams in the Champions League.

 

[WannaDanceWithUdogie]

Liverpool DOF is leaving, they might be looking at FP. Bloody Levy

 

[Fredo]

This is sickening to hear by Herc

 

[sausage]

Liverpool DOF is leaving, they might be looking at FP. Bloody Levy

The Liverpool that spend less than us

 

[Univarn]

Alrighty, here we go.



Our DoF was given a budget, which he performed miracles, and kept well within. Basically near net-spend, without getting tied down on exact figures. If you take time to calculate our signings, they were basically ‘loans’ in essence. Yes! There are ‘Options/Obligations’. So not much spent.



Our DoF took on his role, as he was assured DL would not interfere once given his budget. The only time he would is if we were likely to exceed it. The financial department, and DL would sign off.



I said privately our DoF requested the help of Mendez on certain deals , more to assist the selling club, but also us. And I will not divulge beyond that. Around three weeks ago we started to make moves for Traoré, but for this to happen Mendez had to get a ‘mandate’ to assist. This was known privately, even before the media got wind of it.



The player himself made it known to Wolves, he wanted to join us. Liverpool were interested, but knocked back. We offered a derisory sum to Wolves. This at the interference of DL, who did not like the sound of ‘cash’ in any form, though spread out over term of his contract. He then suggested we do ‘Loan with option’ and insulting offer. He then offered ‘obligation’ but same offer. The initial down payment was a joke.



His view was ‘Traoré has around just under two years left’ and feel it was bad business to offer what Wolves wanted. Traoré told Wolves he would not be signing a new contract. Tuesday agreement was reached we would as good as meet their valuation, based upon realistic incentives, which was relayed they would accept. A meeting was held by DL and those involved, and he was not happy to sanction such an outlay. And argued on Stevie, Lucas, Gil, Lucas as ‘just as good’ and better. And we should use them in the mid-term.



There is/was money for a ‘special purchase’ and was being saved for the striker department. Nuno viewed Traoré as the ideal player to fulfil various roles, and create space etc, for our ‘capabilities to create goal scoring opportunities for players like Dele, Kane, Lucas, Gil, Son, GLC’

It was viewed that we need to cover this area, seeing we failed to bring in a striker, even on loan. We also tried for Neves lol.



I will be surprised if Paratici is here at the end of his contract, and already clubs over here looking at him. If you really believe Nuno will work under these conditions beyond his remit (2 years) we are wrong. Same reasons why he left Wolves



My conclusion is Mr Daniel Levy cannot let go, cannot grip himself. And Paratici is no glove puppet. For all of us very long-suffering supporters, I feel for us, because our club is a drug in our veins. COYS

I know everyone is committing seppuku over this update but I'm fine dying on the hill of I see nothing wrong with what Levy did here.

 

[Hercules]

I know everyone is committing seppuku over this update but I'm fine dying on the hill of I see nothing wrong with what Levy did here.

Why?

 

[Tucker]

I know everyone is committing seppuku over this update but I'm fine dying on the hill of I see nothing wrong with what Levy did here.

He did and he didn’t. On one hand I can understand the hesitancy in spending big money on Traore. On the other, if he’s made promises to not interfere he should be letting his staff get on with things.

None of this scenario excuses the fact we should have had another striker/forward option.

 

[doctor stefan Freud]

Alrighty, here we go.



Our DoF was given a budget, which he performed miracles, and kept well within. Basically near net-spend, without getting tied down on exact figures. If you take time to calculate our signings, they were basically ‘loans’ in essence. Yes! There are ‘Options/Obligations’. So not much spent.



Our DoF took on his role, as he was assured DL would not interfere once given his budget. The only time he would is if we were likely to exceed it. The financial department, and DL would sign off.



I said privately our DoF requested the help of Mendez on certain deals , more to assist the selling club, but also us. And I will not divulge beyond that. Around three weeks ago we started to make moves for Traoré, but for this to happen Mendez had to get a ‘mandate’ to assist. This was known privately, even before the media got wind of it.



The player himself made it known to Wolves, he wanted to join us. Liverpool were interested, but knocked back. We offered a derisory sum to Wolves. This at the interference of DL, who did not like the sound of ‘cash’ in any form, though spread out over term of his contract. He then suggested we do ‘Loan with option’ and insulting offer. He then offered ‘obligation’ but same offer. The initial down payment was a joke.



His view was ‘Traoré has around just under two years left’ and feel it was bad business to offer what Wolves wanted. Traoré told Wolves he would not be signing a new contract. Tuesday agreement was reached we would as good as meet their valuation, based upon realistic incentives, which was relayed they would accept. A meeting was held by DL and those involved, and he was not happy to sanction such an outlay. And argued on Stevie, Lucas, Gil, Lucas as ‘just as good’ and better. And we should use them in the mid-term.



There is/was money for a ‘special purchase’ and was being saved for the striker department. Nuno viewed Traoré as the ideal player to fulfil various roles, and create space etc, for our ‘capabilities to create goal scoring opportunities for players like Dele, Kane, Lucas, Gil, Son, GLC’

It was viewed that we need to cover this area, seeing we failed to bring in a striker, even on loan. We also tried for Neves lol.



I will be surprised if Paratici is here at the end of his contract, and already clubs over here looking at him. If you really believe Nuno will work under these conditions beyond his remit (2 years) we are wrong. Same reasons why he left Wolves



My conclusion is Mr Daniel Levy cannot let go, cannot grip himself. And Paratici is no glove puppet. For all of us very long-suffering supporters, I feel for us, because our club is a drug in our veins. COYS

I said this yesterday, that we’d be lucky if we kept Paratici in the long term. Levy cannot help himself, he has to interfere. There’s an arrogance to him in his assumption he knows more about football than the experts he hires. I always felt the notion of him leaving the transfers alone too fanciful and he’s now pissed off his manager and DoF by getting involved. I’ve been fairly ambivalent about Traore but if your manager wants him, then you should back him. This isn’t a GLC or Ndombele investment here, Traore has proven himself in the PL, and would give us another dimension to our play. And he’s ridiculously hard working, this is why Nuno wants him- not only does he bring speed, power and menace, but he’s fully committed to the cause.

I genuinely despair of Levy. He lucked out with Pochettino for a few years but his own hubris holds us back. And we’re so far priced out the market, I just can’t see another investor taking over

 

[biscuit]

Maybe.

We only pass on what we hear, and unfortunately that means taking the truth along with the source's opinion. I've said many times my info comes partly from agents partly from someone at the club who admittedly hasn't been at the top table for a while but is still well connected. I always make a point of saying if the source on a specific subject is particularly well placed because I get that the context changes depending where it's come from. For instance there are certain transfer dealings that I've known literally everything about because it's come direct from the agent dealing with the transfer.

That said I've not enjoyed this window at all. I think the tone towards those that pass bits on has been pretty poor throughout. I know it's a minority but I do feel the snide digs, the circumventing of the rules via clever wording in posts and how the emoji system has been abused to say things posters can't outright say has increased quite substantially. So I am fairly sure I'll be changing how I pass things on in the future because everything now is jumped upon as soon as it doesn't quite pan out in the readers mind. I'll still be talking with others behind the scenes, and I'll still post bits and use the goat as and when. What I won't do is post the play by play stuff as I hear it because things do change, and could well have changed by the time I've heard and posted. I've been doing this a long time and pass even more back of house than the forum ever see's.

Like I said I'll post a postmortem in a couple of days of how I've heard things went down, and we will see if we can work out a better way to pass stuff in the future. I'm here as a Spurs fan first and foremost, and everything else is secondary.

COYS.

This is what really grinds my gears. We have now had countless messages just like this from a number of ITKs saying that they are sick of the underhand attacks by other members. People doing this shot need to realise that these ITKs are posting as a favour to all of us, and, without their input we’d be pretty much back in the days of Clubcall. They give their time, energy and contacts for free. It’s not their job, they don’t get paid to do this, and they certainly shouldn’t be made to feel anything other than appreciated, even when the news isn’t the best.
Thanks to all of you for what you do! Sometimes the distance from keyboard to keyboard can make us all forget that we’re each a human being who, for some reason, be it geographic, familial or more perverse, fans of this frustrating, roller-coaster club called Tottenham Hotspur. Let’s all just stick together!

 

[sosua]

Suggest everyone read JJ's last two posts (late last night). Shows how stuff can be seen through different lenses.

 

[spursfan77]

Liverpool DOF is leaving, they might be looking at FP. Bloody Levy

They’re completely different roles.

 

[DannyNZ]

As soon as you see references to Levy arguing footballing merits of SB, Moura and Gil you know you are basically stuffed. This is a guy who has never accepted that on the footballing side he knows little more than the average fan. Once you empower the DOF and Manger you have to back them up, ok if he said sorry we just dont have the funds, but to cut across them on footballing reasons is poor form.

 

[Snarfalicious]

Suggest everyone read JJ's last two posts (late last night). Shows how stuff can be seen through different lenses.

Yarp. I'd like to think reason won out and the cost of ADAMA TRAORE AT 50M was viewed as too much. If we want to be angry, the bigger issue could be that we didn't have more affordable backups lined up in the event we couldn't come to an agreement for Traore at a price everyone agreed was reasonable/willing to pull the trigger on. That's it.

 

[Jaddas]

Levy completely cocked up the managerial search, and it was a complete farce. Charlie Kane then hands him a lifeline and he gets out of jail with the fans and comes out looking good.

He then goes back to type and screws up a week later. I guess we shouldn't be surprised.

 

[thekneaf]

Liverpool DOF is leaving, they might be looking at FP. Bloody Levy

Yeah they're splashing the cash too