The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - POST MORTEM - 1st February 2022

[yiddo]

This is the way I read it. Porta used Mendez as the conduit between them and us with regards to Diaz where everything was above board and going well, with price and personal terms were in agreement and all in place. The contract was not signed though, as Diaz was playing for his country in South America.

Mendez then allegedly informed Liverpool of the pending sale, where Liverpool sent a delegate down to South Liverpool to meet with Diaz's representatives and made an identical offer to the one we were offering. Although Diaz was quite happy and willing to come to us, he opt to go to Liverpool instead.

Mendez has shown himself to be a snake in my opinion, as he used confidential information for his own gains. Spurs and Levy did nothing wrong as Diaz would have been a Spurs player if they had dealt directly with Porta. Unfortunately Porta wanted Diaz to represent them in the negotiations.

This doesn't quite add up because there has been multiple reports that the Liverpool deal for Diaz did not include Mendes, so it would not have been in Mendes interest for the Liverpool deal to go through.

 

[Bulletspur]

This doesn't quite add up because there has been multiple reports that the Liverpool deal for Diaz did not include Mendes, so it would not have been in Mendes interest for the Liverpool deal to go through.

I agree but I believe it was done "unofficially" as information that only Mendes had, was passed on to Liverpool. Too much of a coincident that the terms were identical.

 

[thekneaf]

This doesn't quite add up because there has been multiple reports that the Liverpool deal for Diaz did not include Mendes, so it would not have been in Mendes interest for the Liverpool deal to go through.

Unsubstantiated, but I'm saying reports that Mendes wasn't involved in the Liverpool bid could clearly be wrong.

 

[jackson]

The Dias transfer could've played out in so many ways but ultimately Mendes added an unnecessary extra layer that would've been extracting money from all sides of the deal so easy to see that Dias' actual agent and Porto would be happy to cut him and therefore us out of it.

 

[DiscoD1882]

Bluntly, no one wants to read pages of moaning.

I agree, if the mood is positive then it's not as bad that it's a bit "spammy" but when the mood is negative it's incredibly toxic and horrible.

I don't know how we address that going forward as we certainly don't want a "you can only say positive things" situation but equally, there has to be a balance.

I think the most frustrating thing about the whole TW In here was the commenting for commenting sake. And then the “let’s stop commenting, commenting!” Which led to more commenting on the previous commenting. It just creates and avalanche of unnecessary comments. I think it just goes to show that this area can’t be self managed by the masses. It need the A&C touch.

I came on here almost every day but you can probably count on one hand the amount of posts I made. There were times when I wanted to tell posters to STFU but realised I would just be adding to the problem. If everyone just sat back and thought before posting this wouldn’t have got out of hand on so many occasions. And ITK’s wouldn’t have to walk away. This is a
Community. And it starts with us!

Have to end with a mention to the mods and the ITK’s great work in here. As usual. Think it’s back to the old skool next window though. Please.

 

[thekneaf]

The Dias transfer could've played out in so many ways but ultimately Mendes added an unnecessary extra layer that would've been extracting money from all sides of the deal so easy to see that Dias' actual agent and Porto would be happy to cut him and therefore us out of it.

Given quite how embedded Mendes is with Porto I don't see them "cutting him out".

I just don't believe the whole Colombian agent aspect. The agent has worked with Porto so would have known Mendes is involved as a Porto intermediary and would have been delighted that Mendes got his player a higher profile move.

We just got fucked over by Mendes, which can happen when you trust people outside your organisation to act as go between.

Who knows what Liverpool will do for Mendes in return. Maybe one of Mane and Salah will be on the move and they want that to be outside the PL - but that's speculation on top of speculation.

 

[SpartanSpur]

Given quite how embedded Mendes is with Porto I don't see them "cutting him out".

I just don't believe the whole Colombian agent aspect. The agent has worked with Porto so would have known Mendes is involved as a Porto intermediary and would have been delighted that Mendes got his player a higher profile move.

We just got fucked over by Mendes, which can happen when you trust people outside your organisation to act as go between.

Who knows what Liverpool will do for Mendes in return. Maybe one of Mane and Salah will be on the move and they want that to be outside the PL - but that's speculation on top of speculation.

He's already dealt with them well with Jota, whose profile and value has skyrocketed since he went there. You can see why he'd happily send players there. Liverpool supposedly pay very good agent fees too. I think the Liverpool not using Mendes thing is him allowing himself to be the scapegoat rather than looking a snake. By the sounds of it the club have seen through it.

Porto won't mind too much though, they got their money this window like they needed and selling players to an elite club like Liverpool is seen as a prestige thing in these lesser leagues.

 

[chas vs dave]

Have we come out of a mendes deal in a better off position?

 

[YiddoInPoland]

My tactic is to generally not post anything in the ITK thread, positive or negative. Not saying that should be same for everyone but we have the player threads to discuss the links if there are specific players mentioned, or the Enic ones to moan about lack of ambition and strategy and all that, it just doesn't need to be here.

Will setup a monthly soon, just realised i have been on this site 10 years! great job @Rob, @Archibald&Crooks, @Stoof and the rest of the mods

 

[jackson]

Given quite how embedded Mendes is with Porto I don't see them "cutting him out".

I just don't believe the whole Colombian agent aspect. The agent has worked with Porto so would have known Mendes is involved as a Porto intermediary and would have been delighted that Mendes got his player a higher profile move.

We just got fucked over by Mendes, which can happen when you trust people outside your organisation to act as go between.

Who knows what Liverpool will do for Mendes in return. Maybe one of Mane and Salah will be on the move and they want that to be outside the PL - but that's speculation on top of speculation.

Yeah you could be right I guess, question is would we have stood a chance without his involvement or has he literally been leading us on a merry dance for his own ends (on Dias/Troare, was he involved with Vlahovic too?) Hopefully we're re-assessing things with him as whatever the mechanics of it, we're not seeing an upside

 

[JonnySpurs]

Just to chuck my 2 pence in, to my mind it's about keeping your head on straight. One of the biggest problems of other platforms is that they are open for people to overreact to EVERY snippet of information that drops, whether it be ITK or pure gossip, doesn't matter. The wild melodrama is what bothers me personally.

Also very interesting to hear about what happened with Diaz. This is a bit mad, but it actually makes me feel a bit sorry for Fabio and even Levy ?

 

[Ron Burgundy]

I don't think anyone is to blame for the Diaz situation

He had been tracked for ages by Liverpool, who are in the CL and fighting for the prem. We're doing neither.

He was never going to approve a move to us without giving Liverpool a look in - it was worth trying, no big deal

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Going back to the original zero tolerance, only chatting about the ITK info was the only way this place was going to get back on track.

There were (and maybe still are) too many of the ITK guys willing to walk away, and it was perfectly understandable.

 

[mawspurs]

I agree but I believe it was done "unofficially" as information that only Mendes had, was passed on to Liverpool. Too much of a coincident that the terms were identical.

I read that it was Diaz agent who informed Liverpool, not Mendes. Because he was not happy with Mendes being involved. Which makes much more sense.

 

[Whitey]

Btw, could we not have signed Wout Weghorst for £12m?

I'm pretty sure he could have been a useful addition to the squad over the next 3 or 4 seasons.

But instead he went to Burnley!!

And for £12m!!

I think we (and a lot of teams across Europe) may have missed a trick with this one.

A good shout, pretty sure Stevie & Wout could have struck up an effective double act to have as option??

 

[Sputic]

A good shout, pretty sure Stevie & Wout could have struck up an effective double act to have as option??

Maybe we weren't happy that he won't get vaccinated.

 

[Whitey]

Maybe we weren't happy that he won't get vaccinated.

Yep..... that would defiantly be a reason, just seen that he's quite vocal about anti-vax in the dressing room too. So probably wise not to introduce a character into the dressing room with the effort just put in to shape the mentality in Conte's mould.

 

[CoopsieDeadpool]

Yep..... that would defiantly be a reason, just seen that he's quite vocal about anti-vax in the dressing room too. So probably wise not to introduce a character into the dressing room with the effort just put in to shape the mentality in Conte's mould.

One would think you may not have looked into Weghhorsts £12M move, before asking why we didn't make the move you questioned us for my making.

 

[Whitey]

One would think you may not have looked into Weghhorsts £12M move, before asking why we didn't make the move you questioned us for my making.

Correct. One would think you may not have read who I quoted! Just thought it could have been an interesting partnership, nothing more, I'm more than happy with the business conducted. Couldn't give shit what your making is?

 

[Trent Crimm]

Wout wout let it all out.