The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - The Day After

[trasores]

OK so now all the strikers have been classed as poor, who would you have gone for? Or do you believe we have better in Crouch et al?

where have i said poor? overpriced is not the same... Carroll would have been excellent for us but i would rate him at around £21m. they are all excellent forwards but we should have tied upo any deals at the end of december.

if we wanted a player who could have done a job for us short term then we could have tried for Kevin Doyle or Wagner Love

Also why did we never try for Neymar?:shrug:

 

[Supersi32]

It always makes me laugh at how easy people suggest it is to sign a world class striker, everyone seems to think world class strikers are falling over themselves to join Spurs, newsflash guys they`re not!!!....We can`t afford to pay the top, top wages which might just persuade a world class striker to come until we have a bigger stadium, thats just economics....I`m as dissapointed as anyone we couldn`t sign the striker we all wanted, but whilst the ones we have aren`t firing at the moment, they aren`t exactly shit either....Comments about Harry being out of his depth are ridiculous, the man knows more about football & football players than any of us on this board ever will.....4th place is far from out of reach, we are right in the mix depite our strikers being out of form, they will come good again.

 

[al_pacino]

But Harry seemingly wants a player who is also a leader and a great person, as he said on ssn yesterday.

This is why we didn't sign Suarez IMO.

We didn't sign Suarez becsue he doesn't fit into the system we have been using. Evidence of this being Liverpool spending daft money on a player to lead the line as soon as they lost Torres.

 

[brasil_spur]

Feeling pretty disappointed this morning, but this is the majority of the team that got 4th last season, plus VDV, Gallas, Pienaar and a Woodgate returning to full fitness. We're better than last season. It's not all doom and gloom. Modric is better this season and arguably the best centre mid in the league this season. If we can hit some sort of form, and play to our capabilities we'll finish the season well. It might not be good enough for 4th, but it's a huge ask. Yes we've missed a great opportunity, but it's not the end of the world.

Unfortunately for us Man City are far better than they were last season. Which is what will likely cost us 4th.

The biggest opportunity we've missed for me is not where we finish this season, but the type of player we could have been attracting with CL football.

So many transfer windows go by and we can't attract player because we have no CL. Then we have two windows in the CL and the only signing we make that wants CL is VDV.

 

[brasil_spur]

We didn't sign Suarez becsue he doesn't fit into the system we have been using. Evidence of this being Liverpool spending daft money on a player to lead the line as soon as they lost Torres.

Not convinced by this. Forlan plays a similar role to VDV for Uruguay and it works just fine for them.

 

[Daredevil]

Everyone has made valid points here, so I won't try to wade in with another list.

I'll just sum up my feelings by saying I'm very disappointed, but we will be OK. There's nothing we can do now but get behind the guys we now need to trust with the rest of our season.

COYS

 

[nicdic]

Unfortunately for us Man City are far better than they were last season. Which is what will likely cost us 4th.

The biggest opportunity we've missed for me is not where we finish this season, but the type of player we could have been attracting with CL football.

So many transfer windows go by and we can't attract player because we have no CL. Then we have two windows in the CL and the only signing we make that wants CL is VDV.

I don't disagree Man City are better, but they were always going to be a team we'd struggle to compete with in the market, and thus they'd always pull away.

What we needed to do was be able to cement a position in the top four. Regular Champions League would make us a much more desirable option, and give us a regularly larger budget to increase the wage structure. You can't do that off one season and a small stadium.

 

[SamR]

We didn't sign Suarez becsue he doesn't fit into the system we have been using. Evidence of this being Liverpool spending daft money on a player to lead the line as soon as they lost Torres.

I actually think the system hasn't been determined yet.

We have two quick wingers who will get balls into the box. With this in mind you would we think we need a tall, strong striker with a great head to get on the end of them. A lot of the balls that go into the box are however along the floor, so then more of a poacher is needed who has a great first touch and instinct.

But on top of that when we have our strongest midfield out (my view: bale, modric, huddlestone, VDV, Lennon) we have players who keep the ball well. So then we need a striker who is great at keeping possession but who can break the back line to turn the possession into goal scoring opportunities.

Therefore I don't think Harry really knows what we need at the moment. Perhaps the apparent frantic search on the last day for a number of very different strikers would support this.

 

[felmani26]

I think the initial sense of disappointment after being linked with top names with extraordinary bids made is now a feeling that we have to look positively to the future. I think this summer will be a very important period for us and a statement of intent on how the club will go forward. I believe it would have been a tough ask to finish 4th this season even with a new striker signing, but finishing 5th is by no means a disgrace, nor will it result in us imploding selling all our best players as some may lead you to believe.

 

[KingNick]

I don't disagree Man City are better, but they were always going to be a team we'd struggle to compete with in the market, and thus they'd always pull away.

Chelsea always had the ability to do what they did yesterday to get them out of trouble too but whilst Torres and Luiz might allow them to pull, there's no gurantees. As a team, they have been truly horrendous in games this season (probably more bad performances than us in fact). If Torres doesn't fire and JT's legs get wearier and wearier then who knows.

We just have to go on that run and JD or Pav to start scoring hatfuls.

COYS

 

[alexspurs4ever]

Levy has got to draw a line in the sand with trying to buy players from Spain!!

We just seem to get messed about by Spanish clubs, with there crazy rules on Buy-out and tax

 

[guy]

It always makes me laugh at how easy people suggest it is to sign a world class striker, everyone seems to think world class strikers are falling over themselves to join Spurs, newsflash guys they`re not!!!....We can`t afford to pay the top, top wages which might just persuade a world class striker to come until we have a bigger stadium, thats just economics....I`m as dissapointed as anyone we couldn`t sign the striker we all wanted, but whilst the ones we have aren`t firing at the moment, they aren`t exactly shit either....Comments about Harry being out of his depth are ridiculous, the man knows more about football & football players than any of us on this board ever will.....4th place is far from out of reach, we are right in the mix depite our strikers being out of form, they will come good again.

Although a world class striker would be great, I think most of us just wanted a better or different striker than our current lot - with the potential to be world class.

There must be literally dozens of them around. Our scouts should be sacked, i couldve drawn up a list like ours! USELESS!:bang:

 

[phil]

Some very disappointed posters around today but it was all rather predictable.

Apart from Ardiles and Klinsmann, we have never been able to attract the top international stars. VdV was a one-off as Real try to juggle their squad to meet new CL squad restrictions. Our failure to secure a marque signing is not due to lack of available transfer funds, we have outspent Arsenal and United in recent years. It is due to our pay structure and, to a lesser extent, the UK tax rates. I am proud that Spurs have achieved their current position by being a well-run, profitable football business. Unfortunately, our limited ground capacity means that we cannot generate enough money to compete with the likes of Arsenal and United, or with the teams like Chelsea or City that are funded by billionaire backers. Leeds and Portsmouth are a prime examples of what happens when ambition supersedes financial prudence.

Judging by the itk this window, there was no lack of ambition shown. If the stories were true, we were linked with Carroll, Benzema, Forlan, Fabiano, Llorente, Rossi and Aguero. Apart from Carroll and Llorente, these players are paid far in excess of what we pay and the Spanish tax system is far more lenient to high earners. What was disappointing, however, is the way we were portrayed chasing one target after another over the last 48 hours. Surely, we should have known going into the window whether a target was willing to move to us and what kind of wages would be required. There appeared to be a woeful lack of preparation. Presumably, we only turned to Charlie Adam at the last moment as we had failed to spend our transfer pot and had money burning a hole in our pocket. It is rumoured that we bid £12m for him whereas I suspect we could have bought him earlier in the window for £8m-£10m; less if we were prepared to loan him back to Blackpool for the rest of the season. Whether we need another creative midfielder is a moot point. I suspect he'll join Liverpool on a free transfer in the summer because they will pay a higher wage.

If this window has taught us anything, it is the need for a DoF who can concentrate on identifying transfer targets and preliminary negotiations. This window has been an embarrassment and DL needs to sort it out.

 

[nickchrissi]

Enough of the doom and f***** gloom!

If we just signed Pavlyuchenko for Spartak for £15m and Defoe from Pompey for £18m everyone would be talking how we've now got a strikeforce to win the league ffs!

We're a top, top side - don't forget it.

 

[SuperSpurs69]

If this window has taught us anything, it is the need for a DoF who can concentrate on identifying transfer targets and preliminary negotiations. This window has been an embarrassment and DL needs to sort it out.

totally agree with the above, and also about the wage structure. We just can't compete for players on £100k+ a week

 

[nickchrissi]

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What's the difference?

Pav has adjusted to English football and our style of play. Also cost £10m less!

Stop crying like babies, we'll be fine!

 

[alexspurs4ever]

Stay positive cos we have a real team at Spurs and I believe we are in with a shout for 4th!!

Yeah a centre forward would have been great but….. If we can not get someone who would improve us than id rather we sit tight!!!

Liverpool have two CF who have never played together and will need time to settle…. Chelsea have to fit Torres in, which either means drop Drogba or play two up top and switch around in midfield…. Ie tell lampard to not run forward (big change to playing style)

Les Arse are a great team so they will be in there as will Man Utd…. Man City could fall apart at any time…. TBH Dzeko (Bargain if Carroll is £35m)

If Defoe can get scoring we are in with a shout!!! Blind optimism maybe…. but I still believe!!!

We still have Bale, VDV, Modric, Lennon!!!! That is some Midfield!!!!

 

[handsomecake]

i dont dispute the wages we can offer are an issue.
i dont dispute that the stadium is small.
i dont dispute that paying 35 / 50 million for players like carroll /torres is ridiculous.

however making 10.50pm bids for charlie adam is derogatory to charlie and derogatory to us as fans .
however making 250,000 bids for evertons club captain are derogatory to phil neville/ everton and us as fans.
however taking 2 transfer windows to get a striker is not acceptable.
if we cant get the forlans agueros etc then move on.
if we decide we are buying youth to find the next big thing then we should have bought a wickham or a chamberlain.
we havnt decided wat we want.
liverpool got 50 million for torres and overpaid for carroll but at least torres was replaced.and carroll is scoring in this league this year.
we sold berbatov for 32.5 million -he was never replaced with that money and he is now top scorer in the league.
we need to decide what we are as a club.
A:buy youth and find superstars or sell on for bigger fees
B:a serious club who want to compete and win trophies
C:buy aging experienced players who might be cheaper and see what happens

we have no policy,no strategy(it seems),a poor scouting system and poor developement of youth players that are bought or come through the academy.

wilshire,chichrarito,caroll,chamakh, etc

other teams are able to buy good players cheap ie chamakh or chicharito
or find gems like wilshire,carroll,vela,sturridge,micah richards,

bar bale(who looked like he was on the way out) and lennon we have murdered the careers of some promising young players.

 

[Bromavinci]

Mods - if we get round ups from ITKs (I shudder at the term now) can they be banged into the Read Only Thread?? I see Dragon1 has spouted out something, if others pop up can they go in there???

thanks

 

[nicdic]

If I see anything I will do. Not seen the Dragon1 stuff though...