The Daily ITK Discussion Thread - THE LAST DAY! 1st September 2014

[rawhide]

I know alot of you had your knives out ready for Levy as soon as we didn't sign X, Y or Z but I think the most important piece of ITK came from Trix last night. He said Poch was happy with the squad, thought that Schneiderlin was overpriced at the £27m Saints were asking, he also had a say in all our signings and wanted to wait for Rodriguez in Jan rather than sign Welbeck.

So surely this is all that matters? That the manager and chairman are on the same page?

Are you trying to say that the people who know the club and players seem to be happy with the position we are in?

And that the decisions were taken after careful consideration? Where we clearly have targets and budgets and work through both methodically?

Yet people are still complaining...

 

[Supersi32]

Felt a bit deflated yesterday in all honesty (think that was more to do with Sandro leaving though) HOWEVER, in light of TRIX's post the main thing for me is as long as Poch is happy with the signings they that'll do for me and is the most important thing at the end of the day.

He had better be given the time to implement his ideas with this squad though but we all know what the board are like, a bit trigger happy at the best of times.

COYS!

Herein lies the problem, I hope Poch turns out to be the messiah some have proclaimed, because in all honesty an 8th place finish and he won`t be here next season.

 

[rawhide]

I think the reality has set in that in terms of first team quality we are now miles away from fourth place in the league and unless some of our players go from average to great overnight (a la Jordan Henderson and Raheem Sterling Adam Lallana, Morgan Schneiderlin, Dejan Lovren and Jay Rodriguez) we will be a long, long way from where we want to be come May

Different view...

 

[Stoof]

It`s all well and good waiting for J Rod in Jan, but we won`t be the only club in for him thats for sure, risky strategy.

But it's an agreed strategy and that's what Poch wants. It's not like J-Rod is fit to go straight into the team in two weeks anyway?

 

[JUSTINSIGNAL]

It`s all well and good waiting for J Rod in Jan, but we won`t be the only club in for him thats for sure, risky strategy.

Don't tell me, tell Poch.

 

[CheeseGromit]

if he can't except anyone but his boys from soton then we are fucked he is just as stub urn as AVB and we won't even get top 7 that way

I am not so sure
I think their were restrictions put on him as far as the Window goes
They were the easier option as he knew them

 

[Bowlesinho]

Overall I think this is a solid but un-spectacular window, but I do wonder how the club can win.......

If we spend big a'la Lamela, Soldado the players get criticised and we wasted money.

If we buy players to develop into £20m+ players we show no ambition.

Fazio, Dier and Stambouli could all become huge players and all of a sudden we have had a great window buying quality players for peanuts.

 

[CheeseGromit]

Well, according to Trix ITK, he didn't reject other players, but he still wanted both MS and JR regardless, so I would understand Daniel's reluctance to sign a +15m players if Pochettino would come again on January asking for those two as if they were Pogba and C Ronaldo. I've been on Poch's camp from the first minute, but I don't like this stubbornness. I'm blaming him and not Levy for this window. There's a limit to backing he manager. MS is not worth 27m and J Rod is not worth 20m. We could've gotten upgrades for less, but Pochettino insisted on those

It is all true as you say
I think there were limitations in the Window and Poch knowing it would take time to settle current players into the system would have liked them sooner rather than later But you are right MS is not a £27m player but will he get any cheaper in the time he would be useful to us ?

 

[tottenmal]

Different view...

All the rep!

 

[Breezer]

They no nothing of the country, culture and league they are coming to. You expect them to come into the club and start guiding others?

Knowing the country and culture has nothing to do with leading on the pitch. You either have it or you don't.

However I do agree our team lacks leaders. I hate comparing to Chelski. But when I look at their defence. All leaders and all know the little tricks to manipulate the referee. The ball goes off, and a throw is awarded to the opposing team yet the whole Chelsea team are screaming at the Ref to say its their throw. Every free kick given against them is disputed. It's not nice to see but these players are winners and eventually the ref awards them something he shouldn't. Our lot are so soft it's beyond a joke. When one of our players gets poleaxed from behind, half our team walks off for refreshments.

The way our midfield lost every challenge against Liverpool was embarrassing! We made Henderson and Allen look like Roy Keane and Scholes. Obviously judging players from Youtube vids is silly but Fazio and Stambouli both look like they're prepared to get stuck in. Fingers crossed given more time our team will settle and improve.

 

[Bowlesinho]

Another factor I think could be huge but hasn't been specifically mentioned is that Fazio speaks very good English and also obvs speaks Spanish. He could become a key member of the backline as Poch gets his ideas across.

There's something intriguing about our manager, a former Argentinain international CB having an Argentinian CB who speaks perfect English as his general in defence.

 

[SpursDave88]

Different view...

You of course don't disagree with me though...we don't look good enough as it stands. Bentaleb in particular is lightweight and Dembele and Paulinho should be ashamed that he is getting in the team ahead of them.

 

[SpursDave88]

Another factor I think could be huge but hasn't been specifically mentioned is that Fazio speaks very good English and also obvs speaks Argentinian. He could become a key member of the backline as Poch gets his ideas across.

There's something intriguing about our manager, a former Argentinain international CB having an Argentinian CB who speaks perfect English as his general in defence.

Since when was Argentinian a language?

 

[Mr Pink]

Felt a bit deflated yesterday in all honesty (think that was more to do with Sandro leaving though) HOWEVER, in light of TRIX's post the main thing for me is as long as Poch is happy with the signings then that'll do for me and is the most important thing at the end of the day.

He had better be given the time to implement his ideas with this squad though but we all know what the board are like, a bit trigger happy at the best of times.

COYS!

He bloody better be given time now. A minimum of three seasons, for me, before we really start to pass strong judgement.

You simply can't demand top 4 finishes when the resources given arn't commensurate with who you're competing with.

Making up some ground between ourselves and the teams above us has to be achieved by being smart in the market but even more importantly having a good manager who can the best out of what he has. In order to do that he's got to build a side that is greater than the sum of its individual parts.

That's the only way we'll close the gap and he needs plenty of time to achieve that.

 

[tottenmal]

While I'm disappointed with last night (because who wouldn't love us to sign messi on loan), it mainly stems from selling Sandro.

I seem to remember most people stating that this is just the kind of window we needed. Adding to defence with decent options and getting rid of daws, while letting the players that we bought last year show why we bought them. The £17m midfielder, £20m striker and £26m winger didn't just disappear.

I'm upset we didn't get MP and a winger, but this has to be the first window where it feels like the entire club are singing from the same song sheet and have had a coherent transfers strategy in place.

 

[gerishep]

Are you trying to say that the people who know the club and players seem to be happy with the position we are in?

And that the decisions were taken after careful consideration? Where we clearly have targets and budgets and work through both methodically?

Yet people are still complaining...

Yeah they have nothing to complain about. Our top purchase Ben Davies (who)? can't even get in the first team, shows just how good our squad is.

 

[sloth]

So what's a reasonable baseline of expectation for Pochettino, if what you say is true? 72 points? 75 points? If two flawed managers could achieve 69 points, surely Poch will do better than that, especially with "3 first teamers" added to the squad.

First of all there's no baseline point, but a baseline spread, with randomness determining it's breadth. So the season before last it was probably 64 - 74, last season it would have been more like 55 - 69, this season I'd like to think it's probably 62 - 76.

But the real baseline we should be looking for are more good performances and signs that his methods are taking hold. Rogers had a patchy first season, but if you weren't an idiot you could see the signs (lot of idiots on here and RAWK). My fear is that, going by the embarrassing antics of some on here last night, people won't be patient.

 

[sloth]

The PL net spend table is damning for Levy and the board, only Southampton made a higher net profit.

Most clubs spent £20 million plus net while we recouped £6.5 million.

It's not damning, it's a sign of our success. It would only be damning if that profit were being taken out of the club or invested in something daft.

Where do you think that profit will go?

 

[thinktank]

Yeah they have nothing to complain about. Our top purchase Ben Davies (who)? can't even get in the first team, shows just how good our squad is.

He's just come here and is competing with a somewhat resurgent Rose who has upped his efforts due to Davies coming here and threatening his place, now they both battle it out and push themselves to start ahead of the other. That's how it's supposed to work.

Eventually Davies will win out as #1 imo as he's more consistent, just needs to bed in properly.

 

[HotSprut]

Most class players are overpriced. If we are ever to compete we eventually must face the truth and accept that reallity. And yes, I know that even if this is the case you have to draw lines as how far of the estimated price we're willing to go. A Schneiderlin with a 60m£ price tag would have been insane and probably not even affordable.

If the ambition of the club is mid table, I'll accept that, and support my team either way. Just stating fact.

 

[sloth]

As always with Spurs there are two sides to the coin

The window should have supported Poch a little more in that it was his first, unless he rejected everybody bar MS and JR.

Supporters pay top money to see Spurs play and on that basis the club carries a greater expectation than most of the others. We saw tonight an example of a player choosing our rivals simply because they are in the CL and that will give him a better platform

The other side is that we understand that Poch is happy and we do have good players. With better cohesion and work ethic they will improve but there is a need for some hard work and some leaders (one is not enough). Some of last years signings really have to come good and not leave it to Lamela

It will likely be a bumpy ride this season and it should not really be so

Bollocks from start to finish. You don't know how involved Poch has been in decision making. Fans can fuck off if they don't want to pay any more, I and others on the waiting list will snap up their season tickets. We're rarely going to win when a pkayer has a straight choice between us and a wealthier, more successful club. It may be bumpy and it may have been bumpy if we'd signed more, fewer, or different players, there's no 'it shouldn't be so' about it.