The Daniel Levy thread

[Mullers]

If the youth are good enough, they'll come through

Such is the dog-eat-dog nature of football

How do they come through if we buy a player or two for their position and they don't get chances to impress?

 

[Mullers]

I'm sure this has been said before, but if not...

So the first time around, Spurs missed out on the massive windfall following the Premier League's creation. Teams such as Man Utd were in the right place at the right time just before English domestic football went 'global', and from a business/revenue perspective they were able to brand and sell themselves to a massive audience world-wide. We all know of how rich these clubs became.

I wonder if Levy sees this as a similar opportunity; to get in at the 'ground floor' just before NFL goes truly 'global'. It would certainly give Spurs an edge over their competitors, seeing as Spurs would have access to a massive income stream that no other team in the EPL would have (for now!).

If this is Levy's plan and it works, the guy is a genius. It would potentially give us 'Sugar-Daddy' income without breaking any rules and growing the club in the process.

An edge over the 2nd richest club in the world and 3 other richer clubs? At best it would give us a chance to catch Liverpool but that would depend on them wasting money and just generally fucking up their business, rather like a boxer standing in the ring without any defence against a hard hitter.

 

[Mullers]

I've asked this question on the front page but it hasn't received an answer yet. How much is the deal worth?

 

[Ionman34]

I think he was trying to diversify with our revenue, I think that was point of the textiles business and other businesses. I'm not saying that he was a good chairman but it wasn't really in his best interests to make the club deliberately unsuccessful. He is a spurs supporter to this day.

[Levystockanswer] He made mistakes, we all make mistakes no one is perfect[/Levystockanswer]


Klinnsman said it but he isn't the manager of Spurs. Clearly what Yedlin does on an international level isn't enough to get him ahead of Chriches at right back, I really have severe doubts that he will be used much in that way with us, perhaps in the odd cup game maybe.

I'm also with BC in agreeing that Walker is a limited footballer. However my belief is that he will fight for that position with Trippier.

I don't think my argument is premature because we've gone out and bought a 12 million pound defender who will in all probabilty be first choice which is not only a statement about another young player Dier not being good enough it also brings the total number of CB's to 5 thus stopping youth coming through in that area.

Scholars textile business was established and in financial difficulty when he floated us. In short, he gambled with the money he got for the shares to try to save the business and failed. That isn't diversification, it's chasing your losses and was a betrayal of the trust he had.

Klinnsman might not be manager of Spurs, but do you honestly believe he hasn't discussed Yedlin with Spurs? If you do then I'd suggest that you are quite naive.

I agree with you that Walker will want to fight for his place and good luck to him. However, that isn't the issue here, the issue is whether he is good enough. You believe he isn't, I believe he isn't. It remains to be seen whether the club, or Poch in particular, believe he is. My honest opinion is that Trippier has been brought in because they don't and I can see Walker moving on, either by the club or because he won't want a secondary role. This then puts Fredericks in the frame for a support role with the opportunity to stake a claim.

Speculation of course, we'll see how accurate in the fullness of time.

Your argument on the 5 CB's has merit, but is based on the supposition that we will be keeping all 5. I haven't got a Scooby whether we will or not, so I'm holding fire on any judgement there. If we do then I will agree with you that it is pretty mystifying, particularly if Veljkovic (sp) is as highly rated as I have read and especially knowing the talent that Dier has.

 

[hellava_tough]

How do they come through if we buy a player or two for their position and they don't get chances to impress?

They'll get a chance to impress on the training pitch

If they're good enough, they'll then get a chance to impress in cup games and from the bench in league games

 

[hellava_tough]

An edge over the 2nd richest club in the world and 3 other richer clubs? At best it would give us a chance to catch Liverpool but that would depend on them wasting money and just generally fucking up their business, rather like a boxer standing in the ring without any defence against a hard hitter.

Well how do you know? You can't say for certain.

It all depends on how much potential sponsorship, rental and TV deals with the NFL are worth.

Could be an extra £150m a season for all we know, which isn't exactly chump-change.

I personally don't know what the revenue increase will be, but you can't dismiss it out of hand.

 

[talkshowhost86]

An edge over the 2nd richest club in the world and 3 other richer clubs? At best it would give us a chance to catch Liverpool but that would depend on them wasting money and just generally fucking up their business, rather like a boxer standing in the ring without any defence against a hard hitter.

I so wish that the copyright restrictions didn't stop me posting a picture of Eeyore at this point.

 

[Ionman34]

I so wish that the copyright restrictions didn't stop me posting a picture of Eeyore at this point.

You get the feeling Mullers sees Levy as Ceasar and is angling for the job where he follows him around saying " Thou art not a God".

In all honesty, whilst I can get somewhat frustrated with Mullers, it's good to have a dissenting voice to add some perspective. I disagree with most assertions, but there is some truth in what he says...

Some...

 

[Mullers]

They'll get a chance to impress on the training pitch

If they're good enough, they'll then get a chance to impress in cup games and from the bench in league games

The training pitch isn't really much of a chance, they might not be training with the first team squad for one thing.
They won't necessarily get chances if they are good enough, like Kane before Sherwood came along.

 

[HotspurFC1950]

Absolutely brilliant from Levy !

 

[Mullers]

I so wish that the copyright restrictions didn't stop me posting a picture of Eeyore at this point.

I'm just keeping it real, I don't want to give people some fake proganda spurs message when it's not what I think.

 

[hellava_tough]

I've asked this question on the front page but it hasn't received an answer yet. How much is the deal worth?

Well this might give you an understanding of the money kicking about for future deals/growth:

http://www.bloomberg.com/bw/articles/2014-09-04/nfls-secretive-finances-a-nearly-10-billion-mystery

Also, this part of wiki:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Football_League#Media_coverage

 

[talkshowhost86]

You get the feeling Mullers sees Levy as Ceasar and is angling for the job where he follows him around saying " Thou art not a God".

In all honesty, whilst I can get somewhat frustrated with Mullers, it's good to have a dissenting voice to add some perspective. I disagree with most assertions, but there is some truth in what he says...

Some...

Oh I completely respect everyone's rights to not like Levy.

I've criticised him a lot on here over the years, and there's probably not many that haven't had a pop at some point.

It's just the seemingly relentless refusal to accept even the most obvious good things that Levy has brought to the club. It's like someone who never thought Andy Murray would win a major saying that only the French Open really counts.

It must be exhausting.

 

[Mullers]

Well how do you know? You can't say for certain.

It all depends on how much potential sponsorship, rental and TV deals with the NFL are worth.

Could be an extra £150m a season for all we know, which isn't exactly chump-change.

I personally don't know what the revenue increase will be, but you can't dismiss it out of hand.

Man Utd have got a 750m 10 year deal with adidas, whilst I don't know the NFL amount, I would severely doubt it is worth anything like that amount.

 

[Mullers]

Oh I completely respect everyone's rights to not like Levy.

I've criticised him a lot on here over the years, and there's probably not many that haven't had a pop at some point.

It's just the seemingly relentless refusal to accept even the most obvious good things that Levy has brought to the club. It's like someone who never thought Andy Murray would win a major saying that only the French Open really counts.

It must be exhausting.

I've already praised him a number of times over various threads down the years.

 

[Ionman34]

Man Utd have got a 750m 10 year deal with adidas, whilst I don't know the NFL amount, I would severely doubt it is worth anything like that amount.

The NFL deal might not be worth that, but as the NFL deal isn't a sponsorship, it is a false comparison.

I don't think we can command anywhere near that kind of deal at this point in our evolution, but the NFL deal can be seen as the first step towards giving Tottenham the kind of exposure that works us towards that type of deal.

Of course, success on the pitch, and regular CL participation, will be the main reason for us being able to command anywhere near that kind of money, but the foundations for that are now well underway. If we get established at the top table, then I'd postulate that the NFL deal could be worth more and more as time goes by.

 

[Mullers]

Scholars textile business was established and in financial difficulty when he floated us. In short, he gambled with the money he got for the shares to try to save the business and failed. That isn't diversification, it's chasing your losses and was a betrayal of the trust he had.

Klinnsman might not be manager of Spurs, but do you honestly believe he hasn't discussed Yedlin with Spurs? If you do then I'd suggest that you are quite naive.

I agree with you that Walker will want to fight for his place and good luck to him. However, that isn't the issue here, the issue is whether he is good enough. You believe he isn't, I believe he isn't. It remains to be seen whether the club, or Poch in particular, believe he is. My honest opinion is that Trippier has been brought in because they don't and I can see Walker moving on, either by the club or because he won't want a secondary role. This then puts Fredericks in the frame for a support role with the opportunity to stake a claim.

Speculation of course, we'll see how accurate in the fullness of time.

Your argument on the 5 CB's has merit, but is based on the supposition that we will be keeping all 5. I haven't got a Scooby whether we will or not, so I'm holding fire on any judgement there. If we do then I will agree with you that it is pretty mystifying, particularly if Veljkovic (sp) is as highly rated as I have read and especially knowing the talent that Dier has.

Is it fact or opinion about what you are saying about using the shares to prop about his textile business? I'm not saying it didn't go down like you said but I haven't been able to find confirmation that he did that.

I know Klinnsman as discussed Yedlin with spurs, he said that Yedlin needs time.
http://www.goal.com/en-us/news/66/u...linsmann-preaches-patience-as-usa-star-adapts

Walker to Barcelona!? lol

But that was before we bought another right back. Fredricks I believe as one year on his contract left, if the club want him to stay then surely they should be renewing his contract. Of course it's perfectly possible that they are working on it but I doubt it.

I think Fazio will go, if that happens then it means that we did poor scouting because we sold a player after just one season and we will still have 4 CB's making it difficult for Veljkovic (world cup winner) and others to break through.

 

[Mullers]

The NFL deal might not be worth that, but as the NFL deal isn't a sponsorship, it is a false comparison.

I don't think we can command anywhere near that kind of deal at this point in our evolution, but the NFL deal can be seen as the first step towards giving Tottenham the kind of exposure that works us towards that type of deal.

Of course, success on the pitch, and regular CL participation, will be the main reason for us being able to command anywhere near that kind of money, but the foundations for that are now well underway. If we get established at the top table, then I'd postulate that the NFL deal could be worth more and more as time goes by.

I agree with the bit in bold.
The foundations being well underway I'm not sure about. I consider the stadium and training ground to be handy tools rather than foundations. The academy is what I consider to be the foundations and I'm doubtful whether there is a specific philosophy to give priority to young talent, the philosophy is very important because it gives hope to those in an academy. It also creates an identity for the club and will help attract young talent worldwide. It's not enough that the youth just stumble into the first team because multi million pound players turned out to be shit.

 

[Ionman34]

Is it fact or opinion about what you are saying about using the shares to prop about his textile business? I'm not saying it didn't go down like you said but I haven't been able to find confirmation that he did .

My uncle was close friends with a chap who worked at THFC, having grown up with him in Tottenham. The "official" line, which is in fact merely Scholar's recounting in his book, was that the cost of the West stand and players was what almost bankrupt us.

It was all bollocks.

There is no real official account as lawyers have prevented release of the true account, but my uncle got it from his mate. The textile business was an unmitigated disaster that just soaked up any and all remaining monies.

In short, I can't provide any evidence to back this up, but then the lawyers have seen to this with the censorship.

 

[sloth]

I'm not going to run through a list of 20 chairman but I will say that I like Bill Kenwright, he stuck with Moyes and didn't press the panic button when they went through difficulties, he lets the coach get on with his job, he also announced record profits last year.

Everton have also won one trophy in 15 years. If you stretch it to 16 years then spurs have won two trophies (but I'm sure it wasn't your intention to stretch the one trophy thing to its maximum length to make your stat seem better!).

Everton have all the same tools we have, they're not in London, but they're a two club town.

comparing the last ten years in the league:

Spurs - Eve
5th - 11th
5th - 6th
11th - 5th
8th - 5th
4th - 8th
5th - 7th
4th - 7th
5th - 6th
6th - 5th
5th - 11th

Average

5.8 - 7.1

Revenue last year
£181m - £121m

If Bill Kenwright's the one example of a top Chairman you pull out of a hat, and in the last decade or so Spurs under Levy have done better than Everton under Kenwright, how come Levy isn't also a top Chairman?