The Daniel Levy thread

[Mullers]

Watching that stadium come up is the answer to this thread.

The thread was created in July 2013, AVB was the manager then, it's a different set of circumstances to now.

All the OP did was post an article and say it had some good points and the guy finds himself being negged to death for his post.

 

[Shadydan]

The thread was knee jerk reactionary nonesene when it was created as per usual when there's a bit of adversity people really throw their toys out the pram on here, it's a common trend on SC

 

[michaelden]

You don't win league titles because of luck!

I think Leicester prove this wrong. Yes they were good but often they benefited from luck, like playing before us 3-4 weeks in a row, a fair few really suspect penalties, & not having players punished by yellows or reds.

EDIT: A league with a strange upheaval in that the top teams stopped winning as regularly causing the compression.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

All the OP did was post an article and say it had some good points and the guy finds himself being negged to death for his post.

It's gotten lost in the mists of SC mythology but you've hit the nail on the head there. A long time ago it seemed to me that you could under no circumstances criticise the shiny headed weeble, which is why the BSoDL was born. He could be filmed stabbing a puppy to death, skinning it and using the fur for a wig and someone would pipe up telling us why it was good for the club.........Even the most rabid of the anti-Levyites (you ) knows he's been very very good for the club but there are things he can be criticised for.

You watch, someone will now say there aren't

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

Mullers you keep repeating this

Why for you quote someone else and go on about Mullers?

I is curious innit

 

[JerryGarcia]

There's some professional level straw clutching happening in here, what a privilege it is to witness it first hand.

 

[LexingtonSpurs]

Might as well start a thread asking if @Archibald&Crooks is holding Spurs Community back.

Of course he is, but it would be fun to watch the BSoA&C in here defending his veiny ban stick.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

oh that's nice

 

[lillywhites61]

I know this thread started in 2013 but I cannot believe there are still people who question Levy. Just cast your mind back to the days when he first took over. We hadn't even finished in the top 6 in a decade, now we never finish outside of it. You could just buy a season ticket at the start of the season, now there's a good 20,000 people on the waiting list. You rarely saw kids wearing Spurs shirts around London, now it's common. The Spurs players on FIFA all had the default face for their ethnicity, now we have iconic players recognised around the world, captaining their countries and being asked to star in adverts. Could you even conceive the idea of one of our best players, let alone our captain who had come through our academy, leaving us now to join Arsenal? And not just because Levy would never let a player's contract run down like that. You see, for fans of my generation who started watching Spurs in the 90s, we were a small, irrelevant little club who were only there to make up the numbers and had nothing to look forward to other than the hope that Man Utd would beat Arsenal to the title. Well people pay attention to us now. And as we've progressed from that load of shite who used to finish behind teams like Sunderland and Leicester (oh wait), we've had complete turnovers of players, coaches, managers and even management structures, but the one constant in the time of progress has been Levy.

He has made mistakes in his time. Not backing Redknapp in January 2011 and 2012, hiring AVB etc. You name me one person in any industry across any walk of life who has had the same job for 16 years and not made any mistakes. What you need to look at is how similar sized clubs have performed over the same time period. Everton? Clearly inferior to us as Sissoko's conduct in the transfer showed. Newcastle? Oh dear. Aston Villa? Even worse. Leeds United? Kids today don't even know that they used to be in the Premier League. Let's not even talk about Venkys or the Dildo Brothers and those other chairmen who have tried to grow smaller teams. And make no mistake, there have been major setbacks along the way, none moreso than two clubs that should have fallen away suddenly winning the lottery and changing the entire landscape of football. We were miles ahead of Man City before the Sheik and Chelsea were on the verge of doing a Leeds - even so we've still reached a level where we've finished above both of them multiple times even after they got rich and have dicked on them both this season. The thing that absolutely nobody could have seen is that over the past decade, we've been even more successful than Liverpool, who in Levy's early years could bully us and force us to sell players like Keane, whereas now we can beat them to the signings of their transfer targets.

Trophy count has been low that's true. But that's down to the managers being able to close the deal or not, and of course Levy has sacked the likes of Jol and Redknapp for choking when it really mattered while the club has continued to progress. All Levy can do is create conditions for the team to compete for trophies. And whilst in the early days the only chance we had of a trophy was if we got a favourable draw in the League Cup and all the big teams put out reserve teams, now we are a club who goes into competitions knowing that there is a realistic chance of winning them.

Without Levy there'd be no new stadium and we'd likely be scrapping around with Stoke, West Brom and Bournemouth in mid-table. I had come to accept that I'd never see a successful Spurs side without us being bought by a billionaire, the money in football meant that we would be stuck in mid-table or lower forever. Do not question what he's done, he is the best thing to happen to us in my lifetime.

This is word for word a perfect post for why an how important Levy is to our club. "Doffs cap"

 

[alexis]

Come on how many trophies since the Premier league started have gone to one of the clubs outside the so called Sky big 4? You know these clubs have been able to buy most of the top players, aside from Man United how many of the other clubs have done it through youth or not having a team full of star players. Of course we know there's been exceptions Leicester, Portsmouth etc, but if we'd signed 2 or 3 real top players or even kept players like Modric, Bale etc we would have won more than 2 trophies in the last 20 years.

Of course we ought to be be able to win trophies with the squad we have, but we'll need to play at the top of our game in the cups and for some reason we seem to have had an infatuation with top 4, which again i disagree with, the game is about glory and winning. I would much prefer to have had another trophy or two over this period, who wouldn't.

But lets not kid ourselves that if we could add those 2 or 3 real top class signings we wouldn't be further ahead of the curve. Even having those players like an Ibrahimovic, Costa or a David Silva would elevate us as a club, but i bet some of those players wouldn't consider us at the moment, but with the new stadium and the extra revenue......

We're an exciting team with young players and a respected manager which means a lot to players who we want to join. Being consistent is A factor for signings and that's CL. A new stadium leads to competing on wages. All are contributing factors depends on the player what's the most meaningful. Would suggest the money inspired players aren't what we want but reality is it would be nice to truly compete for the next big thing. Am happy we're moving forward on all these fronts

 

[glospur]

Might as well start a thread asking if @Archibald&Crooks is holding Spurs Community back.

Of course he is, but it would be fun to watch the BSoA&C in here defending his veiny ban stick.

Dare I say it...

Are you suggesting 'A&C out?'

 

[Bulletspur]

It's good that we will be getting a new stadium and that we have a new training ground but tbh I'm pretty non pluses about those things, I can take them or leave them. I never see anybody mention the training ground on here before we built the new one and training grounds never come up in my discussions with other fans.

Everton have finished top 8 more often than not. They don't have an attitude that they are to good for cup competitions and he's happy to give managers time and that's what I want to see. I've always been happy to give our managers time, right now they have a good manager.
At the end of day for all our good league performances and running of the club the trophies haul during the levy era is the same as Swansea, Wigan and some others and one more than Everton.
So yeah, I'm happy with my initial answer shown partly in hold.

Not winning trophies and not qualifying for the CL regularly is what will stop us be classed as one of the big boys.
Look at 3 of our best players Lloris, TA and Kane. Total cost for those three is less than 20 million. Lloris 12 million, TA 3.5 million and Kane came through the academy , three top class players for less than we paid for Paulinho, no new stadium needed, no big transfer fee needed.

Mullers you keep repeating this and I dont think anyone is disputing that we have to win trophies, as that is the ultimate objective for any Sport Club.

It cannot be done without certain variables being in place ie a team of good players, a good Manager, good coaches, a football pitch (Irrespective of size). What Levy has been doing is tying down our good players with long contracts, getting and extending the contract of a very good manager, provided very good training facilities, providing and producing young players. While doing that, he is trying to provide us with a bigger stadium so that we should generate more income to get even more and better players. All this he has done with the aim of winning things. So how is this holding us back?

Daniel Levy was a fan before he took over so I am sure he is just as frustrated and disappointed as you that we haven't won more. I agree we should have won more trophies but we haven't and its not down solely Daniel Levy as the players and Managers also are culpable. He has provided the means, so its up to the management and players to bring the cups home.

I can say hand on heart, there is no other Chairman in the Premier League that I would want to have as my Chairperson, well not currently anyway

 

[Bulletspur]

Why for you quote someone else and go on about Mullers?

I is curious innit

oops!! Well spotted! Corrected!

 

[Mullers]

Mullers you keep repeating this and I dont think anyone is disputing that we have to win trophies, as that is the ultimate objective for any Sport Club.

It cannot be done without certain variables being in place ie a team of good players, a good Manager, good coaches, a football pitch (Irrespective of size). What Levy has been doing is tying down our good players with long contracts, getting and extending the contract of a very good manager, provided very good training facilities, providing and producing young players. While doing that, he is trying to provide us with a bigger stadium so that we should generate more income to get even more and better players. All this he has done with the aim of winning things. So how is this holding us back?

Daniel Levy was a fan before he took over so I am sure he is just as frustrated and disappointed as you that we haven't won more. I agree we should have won more trophies but we haven't and its not down solely Daniel Levy as the players and Managers also are culpable. He has provided the means, so its up to the management and players to bring the cups home.

I can say hand on heart, there is no other Chairman in the Premier League that I would want to have as my Chairperson, well not currently anyway

Well you say that but we won the cup in 1991 when the club was in financial turmoil and the league cup in 1999 with a mediocre team. I'm not denying that Levy hasn't done great things for the club, I wouldn't even mind if the club named the stadium or named the stand or put a statue up of him, but the cold hard fact is this, we've won as many trophies in the 16 years of the Levy era as we did in the 9 years of the sugar era. Does that mean I want to go back to the days of sugar?Nope, I'm just telling you a fact.

The only thing I think is holding us back at the moment is the relentless pursuit of champions league football at the expense of cup competitions.

You say that you are sure that Levy is as disappointed and frustrated at the lack of trophies as I am, more likely he feels like many supporters here, non plussed about going out of cup competitions . The champions league is all about money, if I had the power I'd get rid of the CL in a heartbeat and go back to the old format because it's destroying football.

I've never ever said that Levy was soley responsible for our lack of trophies, I've said he is partly responsible but some people here dont except that he is responsible in any way at all, at which point I have to repeat that he cant be give credit for our successes if he can't be partly blamed for failures.

 

[Archibald&Crooks]

I wouldn't even mind if the club named the stadium or named the stand or put a statue up of him

I would

It'd be cringeworthy. A disgrace. An affront to all those who have gone before. I can see it now, statues and stands named after Nicholson, Blanchflower, Rowe and then Daniel fucking Levy........uuuurgh.

*shudders

Ahhh shit, i've gone to far.....I can feel them awakening........

 

[Mullers]

I would

It'd be cringeworthy. A disgrace. An affront to all those who have gone before. I can see it now, statues and stands named after Nicholson, Blanchflower, Rowe and then Daniel fucking Levy........uuuurgh.

*shudders

Ahhh shit, i've gone to far.....I can feel them awakening........

I'll start making your funeral arrangements.

 

[Lo Amo Speroni]

It's gotten lost in the mists of SC mythology but you've hit the nail on the head there. A long time ago it seemed to me that you could under no circumstances criticise the shiny headed weeble, which is why the BSoDL was born. He could be filmed stabbing a puppy to death, skinning it and using the fur for a wig and someone would pipe up telling us why it was good for the club.........Even the most rabid of the anti-Levyites (you ) knows he's been very very good for the club but there are things he can be criticised for.

You watch, someone will now say there aren't

That puppy got what it deserved as you well know. You have taken it out of context just to fit your opinions of our great leader. Shame on you.

 

[NEVILLEB]

Timing is everything.

After years of managerial merry go round, DoF disasters and last minute transfers the OP had every right to question Levy. Calling it knee jerk when the Chairman had been in the job over 10 years is stupid.

At the moment Levy is doing exceeding well. Everyone is happy about that. Some of us don't forget the other times we've been on cloud 9 before things went pear shaped so let's not try to rewrite history.

Congratulations Daniel. Don't f**k it up

 

[dudu]

There is no luck, there is only timing.

Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity

 

[cliff jones]

To anyone saying there should be no debate here go and live in Pyongyang.

Levy has almost won me over, all that remains is affordable ticketing at the new stadium and he gets my credit for putting the Club firmly back where it belongs.

Nobody expected a quick fix after Sugar missed the Sky wave and left us miles behind.

Levy has now done much better than par, finally taking advantage of the long term prestige of the Club, London location and fan base. We are proud again.

This is a huge conversion for me. I was stunned he fell for AVBs PPT after his Chelsea debacle but Levys judgement in hiring Poch and the way he's optimizing the stadium development from all manner of perspectives is hugely impressive.

I'm not ready to bow down just yet but I'm not far off.