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BringBack_leGin
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Levy should be commended for keeping the club progressing on and off the pitch despite some instability of managers and poor transfer market tactics.
Levy should be criticised for the combination of stubbornness and naivety which was in large a cause of our managerial attrition and unbalanced transfer approach.
Levy should be commended for being loyal to an approach of developing youth or cheaply bought players for the past 12 seasons to the point that we are competing for the title with clubs who spend multiple times more in both transfer fees and wages.
Levy should be criticised for taking 10 seasons to find the manager most suited to work in this set up, having ploughed through Santini, Jol, Ramos, Redknapp, AVB and Sherwood.
In actuality, Levy has made mistakes and he has made poor choices, but he appears to have learnt from them and in the meantime identified areas of the club he could improve (training ground, stadium, youth development) and done those brilliantly. He now finally appears to be trusting a manager like never before, and has set us up perfectly going forward. He's not immune to criticism but it's foolish to suggest that we've not made astronomical strides under him.
Levy took over a club that had not finished top 6 in a decade, in the past 11 seasons we've achieved this 9 times, 3 times in the top four. In 1 of the other 2 seasons we won a trophy.
Levy might look like the malnourished evil twin in of uncle Fester, but he's done very well so far. If he and we maintain our current trajectory the future is very rosy.
In short, I love my dad!
Levy should be criticised for the combination of stubbornness and naivety which was in large a cause of our managerial attrition and unbalanced transfer approach.
Levy should be commended for being loyal to an approach of developing youth or cheaply bought players for the past 12 seasons to the point that we are competing for the title with clubs who spend multiple times more in both transfer fees and wages.
Levy should be criticised for taking 10 seasons to find the manager most suited to work in this set up, having ploughed through Santini, Jol, Ramos, Redknapp, AVB and Sherwood.
In actuality, Levy has made mistakes and he has made poor choices, but he appears to have learnt from them and in the meantime identified areas of the club he could improve (training ground, stadium, youth development) and done those brilliantly. He now finally appears to be trusting a manager like never before, and has set us up perfectly going forward. He's not immune to criticism but it's foolish to suggest that we've not made astronomical strides under him.
Levy took over a club that had not finished top 6 in a decade, in the past 11 seasons we've achieved this 9 times, 3 times in the top four. In 1 of the other 2 seasons we won a trophy.
Levy might look like the malnourished evil twin in of uncle Fester, but he's done very well so far. If he and we maintain our current trajectory the future is very rosy.
In short, I love my dad!
cliff jones
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haha, I won't be coming to the sessions for a while. Look after Mullers and the others for me. I'll be back when the stadium over runs and Poch leaves.
HobbitSpur
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Thought I would start a thread on this as seems to be a lot of emotion surrounding this and I don't want to block up the ITK thread again.
Levy has said that the new stadium cost will not have an impact on our dealings iin the Transfer market.
Firstly. If we look at our dealings over the past few seasons, we have been relatively consistent. We have always cut our cloth accordingly with neutral net spends.
Secondly our squad is very healthy, yes we could do with a bit more depth in a couple of areas, but we have ever since we started building this squad.
For something to have an impact would mean that it would need to have an effect, positive or negative, to what has happened previously.
What is potentially happening this transfer window is very similar to previous windows. So there will be no impact.
What we are building stadium wise will increase our revenue. When that is complete, that WILL have an impact on what we do in the transfer market. But the current status quo is being upheld at the moment.
Finally, unless any of us have 100% knowledge of what is being discussed behind the scenes, or what Poch has asked for or indeed needs, we have no idea if we are succeeding or failing on potential targets.
We are all basing our facts on Media gossip or snippets from potential ITK (not knocking these guys at all) which is always subjective.
I am no Guru and my opinion is worth as much as the next persons. But I do believe Levy when he says that it will have no impact on us. We are doing exactly the same as we have for the past 5 or 6 seasons.
And we are still building a 800m seater stadium.
In Levy I trust.
COYS!!!!
Levy has said that the new stadium cost will not have an impact on our dealings iin the Transfer market.
Firstly. If we look at our dealings over the past few seasons, we have been relatively consistent. We have always cut our cloth accordingly with neutral net spends.
Secondly our squad is very healthy, yes we could do with a bit more depth in a couple of areas, but we have ever since we started building this squad.
For something to have an impact would mean that it would need to have an effect, positive or negative, to what has happened previously.
What is potentially happening this transfer window is very similar to previous windows. So there will be no impact.
What we are building stadium wise will increase our revenue. When that is complete, that WILL have an impact on what we do in the transfer market. But the current status quo is being upheld at the moment.
Finally, unless any of us have 100% knowledge of what is being discussed behind the scenes, or what Poch has asked for or indeed needs, we have no idea if we are succeeding or failing on potential targets.
We are all basing our facts on Media gossip or snippets from potential ITK (not knocking these guys at all) which is always subjective.
I am no Guru and my opinion is worth as much as the next persons. But I do believe Levy when he says that it will have no impact on us. We are doing exactly the same as we have for the past 5 or 6 seasons.
And we are still building a 800m seater stadium.
In Levy I trust.
COYS!!!!
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littlewilly
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Don't you think it's a bit disrespectful to spell his name incorrectly?
HobbitSpur
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This is another of those Levy arguments that'll have fierce opinions both ways, give us about 50 pages opinion after which we'll all be none the wiser
On reflection, this whole thing is pointless until the transfer window has shut and we've seen exactly what we've spent and who we've signed.
On reflection, this whole thing is pointless until the transfer window has shut and we've seen exactly what we've spent and who we've signed.
Has anyone actually said he is holding us back, lately? He provided 60 million for Poch in the transfer window, which is the most I can remember us spending without some kind of player sale. Not really his fault those signings haven't worked out and he can't just provide another 60 million for Poch without getting rid of a few, we aren't a financially rich club, so that's how it goes, just have to accept it.
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cider spurs
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Feck me. 800 million seats. That's certainly going to boost revenue, but forget queuing for the toilets come half time.
HobbitSpur
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Feck me. 800 million seats. That's certainly going to boost revenue, but forget queuing for the toilets come half time.
If it was 800m seats then I don't think going to toilet would be a problem as you wouldn't be able to get refreshments either
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Just my luck - I'm 800,000,001 on the season ticket waiting list!Feck me. 800 million seats. That's certainly going to boost revenue, but forget queuing for the toilets come half time.
cider spurs
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Good point made. However pre match drinks will no doubt have to make an appearance at some point.
Always does with me, I've got the breaking strain of a Kit-Kat.
cider spurs
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Not my bag, but does anybody have a rough idea to what extent our revenue may increase once stadium completed?.
Is it going to make a dramatically significant increase?. Of course I'm aware other costs will increase, but I ask because some seem to think this will see us being able to compete financially with the money clubs regarding signings, and others saying the increase won't have such a dramatic effect some may think.
I see it certainly helping our cause, but I don't see it as the magic wand. I've read on many different forums that "once the stadium is built " that this and that will happen. All pointing toward untold dominance.
Is it going to make a dramatically significant increase?. Of course I'm aware other costs will increase, but I ask because some seem to think this will see us being able to compete financially with the money clubs regarding signings, and others saying the increase won't have such a dramatic effect some may think.
I see it certainly helping our cause, but I don't see it as the magic wand. I've read on many different forums that "once the stadium is built " that this and that will happen. All pointing toward untold dominance.
shelfmonkey
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absolute bobbins
Am Yisrael Chai
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Match day revenue will increase to a level that is similar to Arsenal, if not above
cider spurs
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Thank you. But may I also ask to what extent do we envisage this will boost spending power regarding signings.
aliyid
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Sure there's already a thread on this but if you look at something basic like match day revenue (source)
Arsenal - £100m
Spurs - £41m
So we'll be getting around an extra £59m just from ticket sales and matchday income
add to that the HUGE potential of the NFL partnership in naming rights, sponsorship and global brand equity. This could (if the stars align) put us on a whole new level financially and allow us to not only compete but 'potentially' surpass our rivals as a financial power.
Levy tenure is what it is .Business wise we are the best run club in the league.I would say appreciate what you have.Just look east at see the clowns in charge at West Ham .As my cousin said to me when I got my first gf,they'll always be girls with longer legs and bigger tits.Yes be great if we had city type owners who could literally buy whoever they wanted.But I have to say it gives me a certain satisfaction that we finished above them last 2 years with a net spend of virtually £0.I believe everything levy does is for the greater good of the club.And imo the club will only grow year on year from this point.
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