The future of Spurs

[razzmaster]

The players don’t watch the game, so how do we know they think the football is turgid. Winning is what counts for players, and there’s nothing to suggest that being 6 points off 4th with 2 games in hand is anything but bombing out of the league

Do you think Man City or Liverpool's attacking players enjoy dominating the ball and creating lots of chances more than ours like defending for their lives and trying to counter attack?

I know which system I would have enjoyed playing in more.

 

[SirNiNyHotspur]

Definitely tempting to take a few years out and come back with the hope it’s not the same old shit rather than keep experiencing the same old shit. My kids keep asking me why don’t I just pick another team (my 5 year old already familiar with what it means to be a Spurs fan) if only it were that easy...

 

[VegasII]

Hopefully a bored Saudi Prince fancied doing the skywalk while visiting London

He’d probably buy the club and then fall off it!

 

[Beni]

Do you think Man City or Liverpool's attacking players enjoy dominating the ball and creating lots of chances more than ours like defending for their lives and trying to counter attack?

I know which system I would have enjoyed among in more.

If you watched his Chelsea (Both Reigns), Madrid, Inter, and bits of his Utd sides none defended for their lives and multiple records were broken (Goals scored in a season being one). You will find countless of interviews from players from these clubs, of the influence Mourinho had on them and what it was like to play for him.

If you’re good enough to adapt to his tactics, defending becomes second nature and is not defending for your lives, and provides a platform for style to be explosive which his past successful teams were.

Mourinho has his faults, I’ve questioned them, and criticised his formation and sub changes before. If the players in our squad think they know more in how to play, how they want to play in order to win games or trophies, crack on with it.

 

[topper]

He’d probably buy the club and then fall off it!

And get carried off by a gust of wind landing gently at the London Stadium a few miles up the road!

 

[Snarfalicious]

Think we need a “project” manager again. A guy who has years ahead of him and can be given time to mold a squad how he wants them to play. A manager that has an identifiable style of play that will get us back to at least showing we know how to pass and move. I personally don’t think Nagelsmann would be interested in coming here, so I’d look at Marco Rose from Borussia Monchengladbach. He’s got influences that include Klopp and Rangnick and I personally find their style of play to be so fun and generally exciting. He’s relatively inexperienced so there is going to be bumps, but he seems like a good option to get us on the right track.

I don’t think we need a seasoned veteran manager with this group because the writing is on the wall that this squad needs overhauled drastically. Instead, I’d rather see a guy come in who can get the guys we have that have futures here playing well.

Oh, and he could be a gateway to Neuhaus and Sabitzer...

 

[rossdapep]

I will give Mourinho like all managers that have come here whether I wanted them or not the 3 seasons to proper analyse where we are as a team.

However, we should look at Marcelo Gallardo as our next coach if it doesn’t work out for Mourinho.

Not for me. Never coached in Europe and I recently watched his team be defeated by a poor yet well organised Palmeiras, contriving to lose the first leg 3-0

Its not the time to be taking big risks.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

Main players who need to leave:
Aurier, Doherty, Dier, Sanchez, Toby, Sissoko, Moura, Lamela, Vincius, Gedson, Gazzaniga, Winks

Also Question marks about Dele, Bale, Loris, GLC

If none of those are even good enough as back-ups, I'd be interested to see who you think all of our rivals need to clear out.

Personally, I think a handful of good signings (1x RB, 1x CB, 1x CM, 1x AM) and offloading our worst player in each position, would leave us with an extremely competitive starting XI and squad.

 

[danielneeds]

Think we need a “project” manager again. A guy who has years ahead of him and can be given time to mold a squad how he wants them to play. A manager that has an identifiable style of play that will get us back to at least showing we know how to pass and move. I personally don’t think Nagelsmann would be interested in coming here, so I’d look at Marco Rose from Borussia Monchengladbach. He’s got influences that include Klopp and Rangnick and I personally find their style of play to be so fun and generally exciting. He’s relatively inexperienced so there is going to be bumps, but he seems like a good option to get us on the right track.

I don’t think we need a seasoned veteran manager with this group because the writing is on the wall that this squad needs overhauled drastically. Instead, I’d rather see a guy come in who can get the guys we have that have futures here playing well.

Oh, and he could be a gateway to Neuhaus and Sabitzer...

Apparently a done deal that he goes to Dortmund in the summer.

 

[beats1]

This is the team that finished 2nd in the premier league, this was our most played 11 in 2017

Kane
Eriksen ------ Dembele ----- Alli
Wanyama -- Dier
Rose -- Vertonghen - Alderweireld -- Walker
Lloris​

This team was pressing like dogs and doing double training session and by the end of the Poch reign they all looked the worse for it except Dier(who missed a year from injury) and Kane who has changed his game(notice son wasn't in the most used 11).

This is the team Mourinho inheritedmost played before Poch left):

Kane
Son ------ Eriksen ------ Sissoko
Ndombele -- Winks
Rose -- Vertonghen -- Alderweireld -- Aurier
Lloris​

*Eriksen and Ndombele had 7 starts with Sanchez and Lamela also on 7 starts

Look at that team and Mourinho probably got told he would have a decent budget but in January its difficult to sign, so we got Bergwijn and Fernandes on loan. Then Covid happened our summer budget got slashed

Mourinho tbf to him has had 1 window to rebuild the tired team above with not much money due to Covid. Going forward we currently have this team going forward

Kane(27)
Son(28) ------------------- RW
Lo Celso(24)
Hojberg(25) ---- Ndombele(24)
Reguilon(24) -- CB - Dier(27) -- RB
Lloris(34)
​

Its difficult to rebuild a team in one season and every team has always had a season or 2 to rebuild even the Fergie ones, but in his era he didn't have a big 6 all funded by big budgets

We do need to assess Lo Celso and whether he can contribute as a starter but its clear we cant defend and its hard to beat teams when you're in constant fear of conceding. Not getting Skrinar or Dias hurt us imo in the last window. Doherty has been a poor signing. Also Doherty has from now till end of the season to turn his Tottenham career around.

Dier also doesn't fill me with confidence either but next to a good CB could be great

Going forward we already have hope for the future, the rebuild has already started, it doesn't need to be started.

 

[beats1]

If none of those are even good enough as back-ups, I'd be interested to see who you think all of our rivals need to clear out.

Personally, I think a handful of good signings (1x RB, 1x CB, 1x CM, 1x AM) and offloading our worst player in each position, would leave us with an extremely competitive starting XI and squad.

If we went mental and got Skrinar and one of Grealish or Sancho(I know unrealistic but Mourinho lol), I think we are challenging for the title

 

[cider spurs]

The future of Spurs

Sell some players, buy some players, part with managers, hire managers, provide some winning streaks that provide a glimmer of progression, provide shit performances to offset progression, fail to learn from mistakes, rinse and repeat.

No particular order.

 

[Beni]

Not for me. Never coached in Europe and I recently watched his team be defeated by a poor yet well organised Palmeiras, contriving to lose the first leg 3-0

Its not the time to be taking big risks.

Which manager isn’t a Risk these days. I just like how he plays, he’s won the Copa Libertadores twice, speaks English and is a young manager and he is loved by fans and players at River Plate

 

[hellava_tough]

The future of Spurs will depend in part on the future of Covid restrictions.

We need to get that big ol' stadium of ours full again and operate in a seller's market to clear our deadwood.

 

[Dougal]

The future of Spurs will depend in part on the future of Covid restrictions.

We need to get that big ol' stadium of ours full again and operate in a seller's market to clear our deadwood.

Also, we can boo them properly.

 

[mumfordspur]

Just to cheer us all up on a gloomy day after the game we were lucky to get 0

I found that Jose stat I was looking for, now this was post Liverpool/pre Brighton (Brighton ffs).
Mourinho's ppg for his first 45 games is 1.73 that is worse than at any club he has managed (I think since Porto)

 

[Dougal]

Just to cheer us all up on a gloomy day after the game we were lucky to get 0

I found that Jose stat I was looking for, now this was post Liverpool/pre Brighton (Brighton ffs).
Mourinho's ppg for his first 45 games is 1.73 that is worse than at any club he has managed (I think since Porto)

We’re probably a bigger challenge than he’s had since then.

 

[shoggy33]

Depressingly the only way I can see us getting the rebuild we need is by selling Kane and/or Son to raise the funds. Obviously I hope I'm wrong about that. We need 5 or 6 first team players, and unless you are prepared to spend £25m+ you don't get that, as we are currently seeing. We need an entirely new backline (except Reguilion), a box to box midfielder, and I think a new keeper. Make Hojberg captain. Get Mourinho out, it isn't working and even if we were winning, the style of play is unbearable. Go all out for Nagglesman either now or in the summer. In an ideal world Levy releases him self of any football related decisions and hires someone who knows what their doing to run the recruitment side of things. Pigs might fly.

 

[dbspurs]

Think we need a “project” manager again. A guy who has years ahead of him and can be given time to mold a squad how he wants them to play. A manager that has an identifiable style of play that will get us back to at least showing we know how to pass and move. I personally don’t think Nagelsmann would be interested in coming here, so I’d look at Marco Rose from Borussia Monchengladbach. He’s got influences that include Klopp and Rangnick and I personally find their style of play to be so fun and generally exciting. He’s relatively inexperienced so there is going to be bumps, but he seems like a good option to get us on the right track.

I don’t think we need a seasoned veteran manager with this group because the writing is on the wall that this squad needs overhauled drastically. Instead, I’d rather see a guy come in who can get the guys we have that have futures here playing well.

Oh, and he could be a gateway to Neuhaus and Sabitzer...

Say goodbye to Harry and Sonny in the next 18 months if we appoint another "project manager".

I'm not saying it isn't a good idea as we could rebuild the team with some top additions and bring on some of our talented youth however Levy has really backed himself into a corner with this one.

The squad has very little juice left in it. He has brought Jose in to try and extract that remaining juice and turn it into a trophy and a top 4 finish

The problem is our squad is no longer top 4 quality (more top 6-8) and the mentality is at an all time low.

Whoever comes in has to rip apart most of this squad and start again.

 

[muppetman]

Think we need a “project” manager again. A guy who has years ahead of him and can be given time to mold a squad how he wants them to play. A manager that has an identifiable style of play that will get us back to at least showing we know how to pass and move. I personally don’t think Nagelsmann would be interested in coming here, so I’d look at Marco Rose from Borussia Monchengladbach. He’s got influences that include Klopp and Rangnick and I personally find their style of play to be so fun and generally exciting. He’s relatively inexperienced so there is going to be bumps, but he seems like a good option to get us on the right track.

I don’t think we need a seasoned veteran manager with this group because the writing is on the wall that this squad needs overhauled drastically. Instead, I’d rather see a guy come in who can get the guys we have that have futures here playing well.

Oh, and he could be a gateway to Neuhaus and Sabitzer...

I think we are part way through our rebuild, so the question is now whether to stick or twist with Jose. We either go all in and give him free reign to carry on or bin him and trust in someone else to build us back up again.

The worst thing we could do at the moment would be to do neither, but I do worry about what Covid has done to our finances and thus chances of carrying on with the rebuild. Hopefully everyone else is inexactly the same situation but I'm not hugely confident.