The future of Spurs

[Danny1]

Im as angry as the next Spurs fan about last night however I just don't see what another manager would do differently. We have some incredibly average footballers who have been "scared" to play football for a long time. Going through that team last night:

Lloris - didn't have much to do

Sissoko - technically terrible & needs to be replaced.
Sanchez - has never lived up to being the defender we thought, rash & makes constant mistakes.
Toby - getting older & older and was still the best player on the pitch for us.
Rodon - new to the league so will take a long time to adapt to the step up in quality.
Davies - again a very limited footballer, has never been more than a back up & never should be.

PEH - been a great player for us.
Ndombele - still coming to terms with the physicality of the league in my opinion.

Son - without Kane and/or an attacking midfielder he becomes invisible.
Bergwijn - not good enough yet, doesn't contribute enough to be a starter in a supposed top 4 team
Bale - shadow of the player we thought we were getting, let alone who he used to be. Needs to be sent back to Madrid unfortunately.

No one can look at that team and say it deserves to be in the top 4. We do need to sell some players (Lucas, Lamela, Rose etc etc) however I think we just need to add to the quality we have and most of that is in defence.

GK - Lloris / Hart
RB - New / Tanganga
CB - New / Dier
CB - New / Rodon
LB - Reguilon / Sessegnon
CM - PEH / Skipp
CM - Ndombele / White(Devine)
CM - GLC / Winks
AM - Son / Bergwijn
AM - New / Alli
ST - Kane / Vinicius

So for me its 4 new players. Levy will have to cut his losses and sell this lot:

Gazzaniga, Foyth, Davies, CCV, Doherty, Aurier, Sanchez, Toby, Lamela, Bale (send back), Sissoko, Moura & Rose.

Now obviously it's not going to happen but I can't imagine there would be many people on here who would overly disagree. Possibly keep Davies due to his versatility but time & time again he proves he isn't up to it. We have some good youngters in Parrott, White, Devine & Scarlett to name a few & I would rather start to integrate them into the team personally.

 

[dagraham]

We’re probably a bigger challenge than he’s had since then.

No probably about it.

 

[dudu]

it is all down to recruitment and development...

We should be developing better young player and more of them and secondly our recruitment is not good enough. By recruitment I mean the younger players we bring in at under 21 years old and the older more established buys. We also need to do a better job of selling at the optimum time and renewing the squad when required.

sounds simple but hard to do however other clubs with less resources have out performed us.

We could easily have got Maddison and Grealish in one summer for £50 million which would have sorted our midfield for the next 5 years but the vision and will was not there.

We got Gio and Ndombele instead.

 

[DiVaio]

We could easily have got Maddison and Grealish in one summer for £50 million which would have sorted our midfield for the next 5 years but the vision and will was not there.

No, we couldn't.

 

[MillerT]

We're still paying the price for that entire year 2018-2019 we made zero signings. Was an absolutely criminal strategy that crippled the potential of our squad which had reached it's peak, and we've been playing catch-up ever since (and will be for the next two seasons at least imo)

 

[Deleted member 27995]

We're still paying the price for that entire year 2018-2019 we made zero signings. Was an absolutely criminal strategy that crippled the potential of our squad which had reached it's peak, and we've been playing catch-up ever since (and will be for the next two seasons at least imo)

Can't believe there wasn't a player in world football anywhere that wouldn't have some way, some how benefited the squad as a whole.

Who knew?

 

[Neon_Knight_]

If we went mental and got Skrinar and one of Grealish or Sancho(I know unrealistic but Mourinho lol), I think we are challenging for the title

While one RB is banished from the squad and the other is behind a CM in the pecking order?

 

[stormfly]

I’m at peace with the fact we will never win the league in my lifetime. I got a little excited for a while but now I’ve remembered we are Spurs and we only do Spurs things. They say things go full circle but we’ve decided to sack off the glory years and go straight round to the 90s era instead. Nothing can fix Spurs we are unfixable. Yet I still love them! The bastards.

 

[Everlasting Seconds]

I don't know about the future beyond 12 months. But within 12 months, one of the following:

Mourinho will win the EL, be kept on, and be fired before Christmas 2021
Mourinho will fail to win anything, fail to qualify for CL, and be fired before the summer 2021
Mourinho will fail at anything apart from a minor trophy, and will be fired before the summer 2021
Mourinho will somehow stray his way into the top 4, be kept on, and be fired before Christmas 2021

 

[beats1]

While one RB is banished from the squad and the other is behind a CM in the pecking order?

We need a RB but Aurier and Doherty could prove themselves as good back ups but we don't need a star RB, shit KWP would transform us at the moment but having a good CB combo would make someone like Doherty look competent

 

[beats1]

I don't know about the future beyond 12 months. But within 12 months, one of the following:

Mourinho will win the EL, be kept on, and be fired before Christmas 2021
Mourinho will fail to win anything, fail to qualify for CL, and be fired before the summer 2021
Mourinho will fail at anything apart from a minor trophy, and will be fired before the summer 2021
Mourinho will somehow stray his way into the top 4, be kept on, and be fired before Christmas 2021

Not happening lol

You do understand due to corona he has only had one window to rebuild a squad lol

He may resign as due to Covid this isn't the job he joined but he's not getting sacked lol

 

[Nebby]

We need to assemble a recognised starting eleven, not keep chopping and changing the team.

Rose will go on a free, and we should look to sell all of the following: Gazzaniga (not needed), CCV (unlikely to make the grade), Aurier (unreliable), Sanchez (hasn't developed at all), Lamela (fitness), Bale (vanity project), Sissoko (not good enough), Lucas (inconsistent), Winks (not what we need).

At the back, there's a good player in Foyth, and as he's so young he's worth keeping for another year to see what happens. Davies is a decent pro so worth keeping, plus he's a happy squad player. Tanganga and Rodon need to play more, so phase them in while Toby heads towards retirement. Get Reguilon and leave him in. Sessegnon becomes the competition. Give Doherty a proper run in the side.

In midfield, if Skipp has made the grade at Norwich, bring him back and ship out Sissoko. Keep the pressure on Ndombele and see if he continues to develop. Give GLC time to get over his fitness problems and develop a system around him, Ndombele and PEH.

Stop messing about with Dele. There's a very gifted player in there, but this continued beef with Jose doesn't help anybody... especially the team. He carries a genuine goal threat from deeper positions.

Give Bergwijn a little more time to get to grips with the PL. Same goes for Vinicius.

 

[SecretLemonadeDrinker]

We're still paying the price for that entire year 2018-2019 we made zero signings. Was an absolutely criminal strategy that crippled the potential of our squad which had reached it's peak, and we've been playing catch-up ever since (and will be for the next two seasons at least imo)

It wasn't a strategy. It was an outcome.

A chairman who couldn't or wouldn't deliver the players that the manager wanted. And a manager who refused to accept anything other than his first pick targets.

 

[buckley]

As long as we play football that is based mainly on defence the support is going to dwindle .
Of course the best teams have the best defence statistically but the teams with the best defence also have the best attack and that is what helps them in the defence a lot of the time they are on the offence so naturally when attacking they are not defending .
We seem to be constantly defending and under pressure . You cannot tell me that there is not a man out there that cannot get a tune out of Son Kane Bergwijn Ndombele Lo Celso . It seems that there is a manager unable to get a tune out of these players a certain Jose Mourhino
I will keep saying it most of our squad are internationals and with the right man at the helm they will play the way that will give us some joy.
I know I am repeating myself but old man Bielsa takes over an average championship Side and with little or no additions gets them promoted and playing in a style that is pleasing to the eye . Mourhinos style is a turn off .
I can't help but repeat the Blanchflower quote ." the great fallacy is that the game is about winning . It is nothing of the kind . the game is about glory .It is about doing things in style and with a flourish and about going out and beating the other lot not waiting for them to die of boredom "
With Mourhino no style no flourish but plenty of boredom

 

[Neon_Knight_]

Im as angry as the next Spurs fan about last night however I just don't see what another manager would do differently. We have some incredibly average footballers who have been "scared" to play football for a long time. Going through that team last night:

Lloris - didn't have much to do

Sissoko - technically terrible & needs to be replaced.
Sanchez - has never lived up to being the defender we thought, rash & makes constant mistakes.
Toby - getting older & older and was still the best player on the pitch for us.
Rodon - new to the league so will take a long time to adapt to the step up in quality.
Davies - again a very limited footballer, has never been more than a back up & never should be.

PEH - been a great player for us.
Ndombele - still coming to terms with the physicality of the league in my opinion.

Son - without Kane and/or an attacking midfielder he becomes invisible.
Bergwijn - not good enough yet, doesn't contribute enough to be a starter in a supposed top 4 team
Bale - shadow of the player we thought we were getting, let alone who he used to be. Needs to be sent back to Madrid unfortunately.

No one can look at that team and say it deserves to be in the top 4. We do need to sell some players (Lucas, Lamela, Rose etc etc) however I think we just need to add to the quality we have and most of that is in defence.

GK - Lloris / Hart
RB - New / Tanganga
CB - New / Dier
CB - New / Rodon
LB - Reguilon / Sessegnon
CM - PEH / Skipp
CM - Ndombele / White(Devine)
CM - GLC / Winks
AM - Son / Bergwijn
AM - New / Alli
ST - Kane / Vinicius

So for me its 4 new players. Levy will have to cut his losses and sell this lot:

Gazzaniga, Foyth, Davies, CCV, Doherty, Aurier, Sanchez, Toby, Lamela, Bale (send back), Sissoko, Moura & Rose.

Now obviously it's not going to happen but I can't imagine there would be many people on here who would overly disagree. Possibly keep Davies due to his versatility but time & time again he proves he isn't up to it. We have some good youngters in Parrott, White, Devine & Scarlett to name a few & I would rather start to integrate them into the team personally.

I'm not thinking drastically differently to this - also think we need 4 players. However, as I posted earlier, I think we need a new CM.

From what I've seen of White so far, he'll probably end up on loan for another season (or at least half-season). To integrate both White and Skipp simultaneously would be risky and likely to leave us weak at some point in the season (injuries/suspensions). Skipp is a year older, has more playing experience, and appears to be a 2-3 years ahead of him in terms of development.

Alderweireld is still our best CB (you said yourself he was our best player on the pitch yesterday). Surely that suggests keeping him for another year would be better than selling him and playing someone younger instead - especially as someone of his / Vertonghen's ability now costs £90m. If we sign one decent CB and keep Toby, we can then give our younger CBs another year to cut it, before investing heavily in another proven CB (if required) - I think that's a more realistic transfer strategy for our club.

Tanganga is currently 4th choice RB (Aurier, Doherty and Sissoko ahead of him). Considering how frequently the second choice RB needs to play in a team competing in four competitions, we probably need to keep Aurier for now (assuming his bust-up last week is only a short-term issue). Personally, I think Tanganga would be best at CB long-term and is only playing FB for experience in a less risky position (this is common at many clubs with young CBs and we did it with Dier). Agreed that we need to sign a new first choice RB though.

Sessegnon is currently defensively inferior to Davies, but offensively better. Unless we sign a pair of world class CBs, he needs to develop that part of his game before we can play him in a back 4. LWB in a 5 would be fine, but that formation really isn't working out atm. Davies would bring in a big transfer fee and is on fairly modest wages, so should probably stick around for now - unless Sessegnon really impresses between now and the summer window closing.

For AM, I think your list is a player short. I would sign someone but keep Lamela. He put in some very useful performances at the start of the season and his injuries mean we'd have to pretty much give him away. Moura + Bale replaced by one signing should be financially very viable (especially in terms of wages).

 

[Mattspurs1982]

Not sure on Hasenhutti. He was awful the year before (Leicester 9-0) and was lucky not to be fired. I would prefer someone with a bit more pedigre / experience than a purple patch at the start of this season. I dont like the guy but Brendan Rodgers would be my shout

 

[Danny1]

I'm not thinking drastically differently to this - also think we need 4 players. However, as I posted earlier, I think we need a new CM.

From what I've seen of White so far, he'll probably end up on loan for another season (or at least half-season). To integrate both White and Skipp simultaneously would be risky and likely to leave us weak at some point in the season (injuries/suspensions). Skipp is a year older, has more playing experience, and appears to be a 2-3 years ahead of him in terms of development.

Alderweireld is still our best CB (you said yourself he was our best player on the pitch yesterday). Surely that suggests keeping him for another year would be better than selling him and playing someone younger instead - especially as someone of his / Vertonghen's ability now costs £90m. If we sign one decent CB and keep Toby, we can then give our younger CBs another year to cut it, before investing heavily in another proven CB (if required) - I think that's a more realistic transfer strategy for our club.

Tanganga is currently 4th choice RB (Aurier, Doherty and Sissoko ahead of him). Considering how frequently the second choice RB needs to play in a team competing in four competitions, we probably need to keep Aurier for now (assuming his bust-up last week is only a short-term issue). Personally, I think Tanganga would be best at CB long-term and is only playing FB for experience in a less risky position (this is common at many clubs with young CBs and we did it with Dier). Agreed that we need to sign a new first choice RB though.

Sessegnon is currently defensively inferior to Davies, but offensively better. Unless we sign a pair of world class CBs, he needs to develop that part of his game before we can play him in a back 4. LWB in a 5 would be fine, but that formation really isn't working out atm. Davies would bring in a big transfer fee and is on fairly modest wages, so should probably stick around for now - unless Sessegnon really impresses between now and the summer window closing.

For AM, I think your list is a player short. I would sign someone but keep Lamela. He put in some very useful performances at the start of the season and his injuries mean we'd have to pretty much give him away. Moura + Bale replaced by one signing should be financially very viable (especially in terms of wages).

Yeah can't disagree with any of that to be honest. I would just ultimately like to see the squad refreshed a bit. We have got a lot of the same players we have had for years now & they are still the same players that just ultimately have no consistency and/or injured for large periods of our season.

My post was definitely a dramatic view on things and as you say it could be worth keeping Toby for his experience and Davies for his versatility.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

As long as we play football that is based mainly on defence the support is going to dwindle .
Of course the best teams have the best defence statistically but the teams with the best defence also have the best attack and that is what helps them in the defence a lot of the time they are on the offence so naturally when attacking they are not defending .
We seem to be constantly defending and under pressure . You cannot tell me that there is not a man out there that cannot get a tune out of Son Kane Bergwijn Ndombele Lo Celso . It seems that there is a manager unable to get a tune out of these players a certain Jose Mourhino
I will keep saying it most of our squad are internationals and with the right man at the helm they will play the way that will give us some joy.
I know I am repeating myself but old man Bielsa takes over an average championship Side and with little or no additions gets them promoted and playing in a style that is pleasing to the eye . Mourhinos style is a turn off .
I can't help but repeat the Blanchflower quote ." the great fallacy is that the game is about winning . It is nothing of the kind . the game is about glory .It is about doing things in style and with a flourish and about going out and beating the other lot not waiting for them to die of boredom "
With Mourhino no style no flourish but plenty of boredom

Son, Kane and Ndombele have been three of the top performing players in the league so far this season. Bergwijn has been decent and we shouldn't expect a £25m 23-year-old to set the league on fire. Lo Celso has been injured most of the season (and Kane is currently injured too!) - I can tell you there isn't a man out there who can get a tune out of unavailable, injured players

 

[Neon_Knight_]

Not sure on Hasenhutti. He was awful the year before (Leicester 9-0) and was lucky not to be fired. I would prefer someone with a bit more pedigre / experience than a purple patch at the start of this season. I dont like the guy but Brendan Rodgers would be my shout

Would be the polar opposite of Mourinho.

 

[Neon_Knight_]

We need a RB but Aurier and Doherty could prove themselves as good back ups but we don't need a star RB, shit KWP would transform us at the moment but having a good CB combo would make someone like Doherty look competent

If we had prime Jan + Toby or King + Gallas/Woodgate, RB would definitely be of less concern